ItTakesAnArmy Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 (edited) As the draft gets closer and nothing with the Canucks is happening combined with Benning trying to save his job. Rumors abound about the #1 pick in play for some team's cap relief cast off and the need for the the club to make a splash. The cap relief cast off is an exaggeration as there are no particular players mentioned except Ghost, the Canucks #1 - 10th overall pick for Ghost, another undersized dman. I think most true fans understand this team needs another 2 or 3 years of rebuilding to fill most of the necessary spots to become Cup contenders. IMO things to be worried about to do with the team; Trading away picks for immediate mid range players Signing bad contracts for older UFA's Not using the cap space wisely, using it up rather than as an advantage for picks. Ignoring next year's draft, probably the best in 20 years Not thinking more than 6 months ahead. Getting fleeced, trading away what decent prospects the team does have either in the minors or Europe for roster spot players Not planning for what other teams will be doing Or Not Benning has never made more than two - three mistakes Trust that his UFA contracts will not handcuff the team in 3 years Trust his highly developed and much talked about scouting and player evaluation skills and then wait up to 4 years to see results All the media are wrong, ignore them. Re-explain what Benning means, redefine what he says for comfort. The draft is in 2 days, going? I am. Edited June 22, 2019 by ItTakesAnArmy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post RonMexico Posted June 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 18, 2019 I'm not worried about anything management does or doesn't do. They have a plan and I don't care what the details are or how close they have stuck to it as long as it results in winning more games sooner than later. 3 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 I think that, until the cap for next year is announced, teams are going to be cautious in what they do. There's a growing consensus that the cap isn't going to rise to 83 as expected and one of the writers over at Sportsnet just did an interesting read on it, see link below: https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/three-reasons-nhl-salary-cap-get-tighter/ If he's right, and I've kind of had a feeling that they have been pushing it up faster than it really should be. His take is interesting in that players are trying to reduce Escrow and potentially eliminate it, but that won't happen if it keeps growing at this rate. Now, for Canucks fans. If the cap only went up to say 81.5 or 82 million instead of the 83 million that was projected, from a salary management standpoint, it really means very little. Now, for teams like Vegas, Pittsburgh, Tampa and Toronto, it would make a bad situation, much worse. 1.5 million might not sound like much in the NHL, but when you're Toronto and you have 17 guys under contract for next year, already down to a projected 8.8 million in space to work with and one of the guys you have to sign is Marner who isn't likely to sign for less than 11 million, you're in trouble if that number comes in south of 83. Even if they find someone to take Horton off their hands, (which they will), and someone to take Marleau, (which they will), Cap only going to 82, would still leave them 19.35 to work with and subtracting Marleau means that they would be down to 16 guys under contract. Assuming Marner is 11 million, that leaves them with 8.35 and Kapanen has to be at least 3.5 million of that. We have cap space, if we're patient, there should be opportunities to exploit that. Personally, I'd happily take Marleau off their hands for the remaining year on his deal and let Pettersson absorb everything he can from him if we could maybe pry Kapanen free as well? Maybe something like: To Vancouver: Marleau (no hold back on salary) Kapanen 2020 2nd round pick To Toronto: Goldobin Hutton 2020 4th round pick Times are going to be tough for some teams if that article is right, we just need to be patient in how we approach things and enjoy the opportunities before things get really tight for us in a few years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BlastPast Posted June 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 18, 2019 I'm worried for the sanity of some people after every Rick Dhaliwal tweet. 2 1 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, BlastPast said: I'm worried for the sanity of some people after every Rick Dhaliwal tweet. amen, plus 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odjick29willkillyou Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 I clicked on this thread thinking it was about some new movie by Jordan Peele Truthfully, I am finding myself more afraid with every transaction not involving us that could affect us. I have not been this nervous about a draft or FA in a long time. This team is finally headed in the right direction and one or two bad moves could change that drastically. I need someone to talk me off the ledge lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyHarry Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 I’m worried about the Canucks third jersey with the in balance of white may lead them to compensate by wearing white pants with green stripes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 1 hour ago, PhillipBlunt said: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post apollo Posted June 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 18, 2019 Not afraid. Excited. Say what you want but the guy drafted the best player in the draft with a 5th overall pick and he got another potential superstar in Brock at 23 overall. Very comfortable with JB at the helm. 3 2 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 Are you aware of how the media has changed its tune over the past 24 months from constantly questioning to open admiration of what Bennings been doing on the sly all along? It’s not accidental or a fluke, he’s genuinely a decent manager, just becuase he doesn’t openly discuss his plans doesn’t mean he doesn’t have one. I agree that more patience is required as we are far from a contender at this point, much work needs to occur on the defense and we still need at least one other star winger and better support in the top six. Not a lot of help is on the way other then OJ and Woo....absolutely we need another great draft if not two or three. Horvat is going to be to us what Stamkos is to TB currently, A UFA before this team is close to contending. With the exception that Stamkos’s team has been close since the days St Louis was his wingman. Thankfully there is time to make this work, when Boeser, EP and Hughes are in their prime there should be a lot of other names supporting them from behind, one of them from this draft, plus two more the next few drafts and three of four very good upgrades on guys like Sutter, Schaller, Motte, Granlund, Bear, Stetcher, Hutton, etc...the Woo’s Maddens, Tryamkins and Linds of the universe. He’s averaging a couple rookies a year now, and it should keep up for a few more years ... the 2021-2026 time period is our window. Next year rinse and repeat. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skategal Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 I trust that the people being paid to make decisions about the Canucks and their future know a lot more about the business of hockey than I do. They also have a lot more riding on the outcome of their decisions than I do. I'm here for the entertainment, both on CDC and that provided by the Canucks and by the NHL. I'd love at some point in the future for us to win the ultimate prize so we can celebrate like St. Louis is. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post IBatch Posted June 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 18, 2019 1 minute ago, apollo said: Not afraid. Excited. Say what you want but the guy drafted the best player in the draft with a 5th overall pick and he got another potential superstar in Brock at 23 overall. Very comfortable with JB at the helm. Me too Apollo. He’s drafting above his ADP (average draft position) since he started, actually in the top third of the league, and given how high we have drafted it’s what we need (past four years) ...EDM on the other hand is DFL, can’t get a guy past their first overall and not even all of them work out (Yakupov). Dont get any Benning hate really, he made lemonade out of lemons when he arrived, and secretly assembled one of the best 21 and unders in the league (3rd) all the while towing the line and getting mostly abused by the media and some fans until the past 24 months ago or so when the narrative started to change and the props started coming in...even the EP pick was criticized by some... not anymore. If Hughes is also a Calder candidate I’m not sure if a future GM for Vancouver will ever surpass that... 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EP Phone Home Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 (edited) oh CDC you never let me down with melodramatics. This will be a long summer Edited June 18, 2019 by EP Phone Home 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 (edited) To say: to save his job is a bit misleading. He gets one more year minimum. His contract isn't up until next summer. I'm excited to see what happens. I shocked over the Dahlen trade but hey. Parts come and parts go. I'm curious what D we can add. If we have no new D after July 1 then I'll get worried. Edited June 18, 2019 by Rush17 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, Rush17 said: To say: to save his job is a bit misleading. He gets one more year minimum. His contract isn't up until next summer. I'm excited to see what happens. I shocked over the Dahlen trade but hey. Parts come and parts go. I'm curious what D we can add. If we have no new QUALITY D after July 1 then I'll get worried. FIFY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 1 hour ago, VegasCanuck said: I think that, until the cap for next year is announced, teams are going to be cautious in what they do. There's a growing consensus that the cap isn't going to rise to 83 as expected and one of the writers over at Sportsnet just did an interesting read on it, see link below: https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/three-reasons-nhl-salary-cap-get-tighter/ If he's right, and I've kind of had a feeling that they have been pushing it up faster than it really should be. His take is interesting in that players are trying to reduce Escrow and potentially eliminate it, but that won't happen if it keeps growing at this rate. Now, for Canucks fans. If the cap only went up to say 81.5 or 82 million instead of the 83 million that was projected, from a salary management standpoint, it really means very little. Now, for teams like Vegas, Pittsburgh, Tampa and Toronto, it would make a bad situation, much worse. 1.5 million might not sound like much in the NHL, but when you're Toronto and you have 17 guys under contract for next year, already down to a projected 8.8 million in space to work with and one of the guys you have to sign is Marner who isn't likely to sign for less than 11 million, you're in trouble if that number comes in south of 83. Even if they find someone to take Horton off their hands, (which they will), and someone to take Marleau, (which they will), Cap only going to 82, would still leave them 19.35 to work with and subtracting Marleau means that they would be down to 16 guys under contract. Assuming Marner is 11 million, that leaves them with 8.35 and Kapanen has to be at least 3.5 million of that. We have cap space, if we're patient, there should be opportunities to exploit that. Personally, I'd happily take Marleau off their hands for the remaining year on his deal and let Pettersson absorb everything he can from him if we could maybe pry Kapanen free as well? Maybe something like: To Vancouver: Marleau (no hold back on salary) Kapanen 2020 2nd round pick To Toronto: Goldobin Hutton 2020 4th round pick Times are going to be tough for some teams if that article is right, we just need to be patient in how we approach things and enjoy the opportunities before things get really tight for us in a few years. Doesn’t Marleau have to accept this though? And why should he, TO isnt a bad gig if your into that sort of thing (which a lot of Canadian boys are)... I agree that TO is really in for it. Dubas isn’t reallly good at numbers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the grinder Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 im a lil afraid of benning in the free agent market, , Roussel was a good signing , beagle was ok a lil too much money , vanek was good the rest ugh , if we have to replace edler , via ufa be afraid very afraid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 17 minutes ago, IBatch said: Doesn’t Marleau have to accept this though? And why should he, TO isnt a bad gig if your into that sort of thing (which a lot of Canadian boys are)... I agree that TO is really in for it. Dubas isn’t reallly good at numbers. Its widely reported that Marleau and Toronto are parting ways. Toronto can't afford to keep him and he's stated that he is interested in being back on the West Coast. I don't think there's anything written in stone that Marleau gets moved, but I don't see how Toronto will be able to fit everyone in without that. Even if he is moved, I actually doubt that it would be to Vancouver, but in the right deal, wouldn't mind that. I think Pettersson etc, could learn a lot from his experience. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EP Phone Home Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, VegasCanuck said: Its widely reported that Marleau and Toronto are parting ways. Toronto can't afford to keep him and he's stated that he is interested in being back on the West Coast. I don't think there's anything written in stone that Marleau gets moved, but I don't see how Toronto will be able to fit everyone in without that. Even if he is moved, I actually doubt that it would be to Vancouver, but in the right deal, wouldn't mind that. I think Pettersson etc, could learn a lot from his experience. At only one year remaining, taking on a 6 million cap dump (with a prospect and/or pick) I’d do it if I was Jim. Just don’t let the returning piece be Zaitsev. Plus if we are out of the playoff picture and want to sell off any worthy assets at the TDL, we get another piece out of this echoing trade. Weaponize that cap space Jimmy! Edited June 18, 2019 by EP Phone Home 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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