mll Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 (edited) 18 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said: They may have the same problem we do at times? CDC anyway. Inflated expectations. I liked D Mo's point. Look what NYR's paid for their big RHD. Who is better than Barrie as a whole by a fair margin. Albeit most teams that have a Trouba, want the puck mover as their next piece? Then look at what Montreal & Nashville get for Subban? With cap leverage working against them. But the key point, Barrie a more one dimensional player with only 1 year on his pact. And a similar reputation for not discounting his worth. Is Barrie with 1 year on his pact worth, Alex Tuch for example? A simple hockey deal I would not make. And with Stone signed, you could argue he's available? Not that Barrie is who Vegas is after. Just a discussing value. Barrie wont command a young, long term controlled, 45 or 55 point top 6 forward. Minny apparently wants a D for Zucker. Don't even think they'll go for him. Same problem, do they need a rental? I don't think they make that deal. Philly might have been an obvious choice. But Niskannen was actually more on point with what they need. They had a PMD and needed 2 way play. And paid less for him. They're gong to have to find a contender. Maybe Boston would pay Danton Heinen. Is he top 6 enough? Is Jake not still better based on speed, size... Sakic waited out Duchene. But he may have too high expectations here. Sakic says he is content to keep Barrie as their own rental for the season. Timmins, who they have real high hopes for, hasn't played in over a year. Keeping Barrie allows them to ease him in. Bednar has gone with 7 Ds at times and even in the playoffs. They could well go into the season playing 7Ds and 11Fs. Remove Barrie and they play 6Ds. Girard Makar Zadorov Barrie Cole Johnson Timmins ---- Minnesota is not looking for a D in return for Zucker. On the right side they already have Dumba and Spurgeon, who Fenton has every intention to extend and says discussions have gone well. They've also just extended RD Brad Hunt on a two-year 1-way deal. They are looking for a scoring right shot - they have too many left wings and only 1 right shot F in their top-9. He again said it before the draft. By the sounds of it they could well keep Zucker as the offers are not compelling enough. Edited June 23, 2019 by mll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amplified0ne Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 (edited) Tanev+Baertschi+prospect for Barrie, Avs go after Panarin Its obvious its ownership pulling the strings. Benning doesn't have a contract extension, has to make the playoffs and then we'll see. So it's kind of make it or break it for him. Unfortunately, this owner is too impatient. There were no legit prospects in the system basically after the 2011 run. The team couldnt draft worth a damn and the core players aged after that run. Edited June 25, 2019 by amplified0ne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teepain Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Tanev + baer/sutter+ 2nd + 3rd + we retain dollars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Ghost Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 17 minutes ago, amplified0ne said: Tanev+Baertschi+prospect for Barrie, Avs go after Panarin Sakic hangs up unless that prospect is someone like our 10th OA selection a few days ago. Even then he probably would say no. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 49 minutes ago, Silver Ghost said: Sakic hangs up unless that prospect is someone like our 10th OA selection a few days ago. Even then he probably would say no. I want sakic to be our GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Ghost Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, N4ZZY said: I want sakic to be our GM. I like that Sakic knows the value of his players and holds out for the best deals he can get. But that might bite him with Barrie next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 On 6/22/2019 at 8:15 PM, Toyotasfan said: And after what we paid for Miller , this could be a disaster If Benning trade Miller for Berrie then? Is it still a disaster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Silver Ghost said: I like that Sakic knows the value of his players and holds out for the best deals he can get. But that might bite him with Barrie next year. Sakic said that he is more than happy to keep Barrie and use him as his own rental. It buys more time for their young Ds to develop further. Makar just turned pro. Timmins has yet to play a NHL game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toyotasfan Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 6 hours ago, Timråfan said: If Benning trade Miller for Berrie then? Is it still a disaster? If the Canucks are rich in any department it’s 3rd line players , we could spare an entire 3rd line for Barrie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nergish Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 7 hours ago, N4ZZY said: I want sakic to be our GM. Jim Benning was a pretty good hockey player in his day... But he ain't no Joe Sakic. The fact that guys like Sakic and Yzerman are so good in their roles should be of no surprise. Hockey minds are hockey minds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
18W-40C-6W Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Sign Barrie as a UFA next year, forget giving up assets. Edler Barrie Hughes Myers Juolevi Tryamkin Stecher/Sautner/Brisbois thats great depth 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deets Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 24 minutes ago, nergish said: Jim Benning was a pretty good hockey player in his day... But he ain't no Joe Sakic. The fact that guys like Sakic and Yzerman are so good in their roles should be of no surprise. Hockey minds are hockey minds. Tell that to Coach Gretzky. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maketherightmove Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, 18W-40C-6W said: Sign Barrie as a UFA next year, forget giving up assets. Edler Barrie Hughes Myers Juolevi Tryamkin Stecher/Sautner/Brisbois thats great depth Hopefully the opportunity is there, but reality is that most top flight pending UFA's never actually get to market. They're either re-signed or traded and then signed by the acquiring team. Also, if JB gives Myers $7M+ this year, it might be tough to throw the necessary funds at Barrie to get him (If Myers/Gardner are worth $7M+ over $7 you'd have to think Barrie is in the $8.5-$9 ballpark). I think the ideal scenario is acquiring Barrie this season, having him fall in love with being home and the solid young core this team has, and hoping he re-signs at a reasonable rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maketherightmove Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, Deets said: Tell that to Coach Gretzky. Ex superstars seem to fare better in management roles rather than coaching. They seem to be great at talent evaluation but not necessarily great at the deployment/schemes necessary for coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
18W-40C-6W Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Maketherightmove said: Hopefully the opportunity is there, but reality is that most top flight pending UFA's never actually get to market. They're either re-signed or traded and then signed by the acquiring team. Also, if JB gives Myers $7M+ this year, it might be tough to throw the necessary funds at Barrie to get him (If Myers/Gardner are worth $7M+ over $7 you'd have to think Barrie is in the $8.5-$9 ballpark). I think the ideal scenario is acquiring Barrie this season, having him fall in love with being home and the solid young core this team has, and hoping he re-signs at a reasonable rate. He’ll want to get paid, even if he’s traded he’ll go UFA. These guys get one chance in their careers to get PAID, most are willing to explore it, especially if they are talented players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maketherightmove Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, 18W-40C-6W said: He’ll want to get paid, even if he’s traded he’ll go UFA. These guys get one chance in their careers to get PAID, most are willing to explore it, especially if they are talented players This is always said but very rarely happens. Top end talent in the prime of their careers get paid anyways because their current team or the team they are traded to value them highly (because they know how hard these types of players are to replace). Top tier talent rarely go to FA, and when they do they are generally past their prime. JT was an outlier, not the norm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift-4 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 9 hours ago, N4ZZY said: I want sakic to be our GM. I heard he is busy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 2 hours ago, nergish said: Jim Benning was a pretty good hockey player in his day... But he ain't no Joe Sakic. The fact that guys like Sakic and Yzerman are so good in their roles should be of no surprise. Hockey minds are hockey minds. what? if that were simply true, you wouldn't have teams like the Coil with their patronage appointment front office for former Cup Oilers crapping away lottery after lottery pick unable to build a team. it aint that simple. often the best minds are the ones that could not play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
18W-40C-6W Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, Maketherightmove said: This is always said but very rarely happens. Top end talent in the prime of their careers get paid anyways because their current team or the team they are traded to value them highly (because they know how hard these types of players are to replace). Top tier talent rarely go to FA, and when they do they are generally past their prime. JT was an outlier, not the norm. Yes if he’s been with a team for a while and they have cap room. A) Colorado won’t have cap room b) if he’s traded it’s one year, he may not want to stay, may want to play elsewhere etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 2 hours ago, nergish said: Jim Benning was a pretty good hockey player in his day... But he ain't no Joe Sakic. The fact that guys like Sakic and Yzerman are so good in their roles should be of no surprise. Hockey minds are hockey minds. How good was Gretzky in his? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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