D-Money Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 3 hours ago, khay said: I hope the only similarity is that they were both drafted 10th overall. And their names kind of rhyme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nergish Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 5 hours ago, D-Money said: And their names kind of rhyme. Nothing rhymes with “Vasiliev Paflova” 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 Elite skill in Pettersson, Boeser, Lind and Hoglander, surrounded by this Beastly offence Horvat Podkolzin Miller Virtanen Gaudette Gadjovich MacEwen Bailey Keppen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EternalCanuckFan Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 9 hours ago, khay said: I hope the only similarity is that they were both drafted 10th overall. If I remember correctly, Nichushkin was a legitimately exciting prospect when he was drafted with the main problem being inconsistency in engagement in games. When Nichushkin was really engaged, then he was a force. When he wasn't, then he wasn't really as much of a factor. It was a knock on Nichushkin then and, unfortunately, he wasn't able to shake it. From what I can tell, the scouting for Podkolzin pretty consistently describes him as never turning off his motor who, as a result, makes a difference in many facets of the game. I think the main question for Podkolzin is how high his ceiling is - will he be a big offensive contributor or will he be a great two-way energy winger with some offensive upside. It doesn't seem like there's much doubt that Podkolzin will be a player when he decides to make the jump based on his current trajectory. It's a reminder of how quickly things can change after draft day. To get on the radar of teams, all these guys have had to show that they possess the physical skills and at least some of the mental attributes needed to succeed, but not everyone can continue that. Podkolzin could obviously take steps backward in the next few years but that's the mystery of the draft. Any number of things can impact a player - family responsibilities, injuries, mental health, etc. It's too bad for Nichushkin that his career has floundered to the point that he's not really a viable NHL player. We can all hope that Podkolzin is better able to transition into pro-life and eventually to the NHL. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maniwaki Canuck Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 I'm not in the least bit worried that this guy turns out like Nichushkin or even Jake (currrent version) for that matter. His mental engagement and intensity are so much higher. Plus he seemed pretty pumped that Vancouver selected him. I know some question his skating and whether he has truly elite skill. Even he admits that his skating needs to improve, but if he can do that kind of search and destroy forecheck with sub-optimal skating, it only underlines how well he reads the flow of the game and the effort level he maintains. We'll see about the skill but I wouldn't be surprised if its under-rated, maybe an invented excuse for passing him over because of the "Russian factor". If not, he's still a perfect complement for the skill we do have, but if he's not far off the skill Petterson brings, watch out! Stoked about this pick! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nucker 67 Posted July 9, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 9, 2019 Y'know, all of the expert hockey reporting by our own Kuzma and Willes leading up to the Draft, neither of them did a feature on Podkolzin. It was all about Boldy, Krebs, Byram, Soderstrom, Broberg, etc. Every day Kuzma did a feature on one of the Draft prospects, but he didn't bother doing a feature on Podkolzin. Goes to show, they have no clue. They still aren't saying much about him, because I don't think they know anything. Next to Pettersson and possibly Hughes, Pod could be the best prospect this team has had in a while. Where's the articles Kuzma and Willes? I think they're too busy bashing Benning these days to pay attention to the Canucks prospects. 1 4 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
18W-40C-6W Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 On 6/28/2019 at 11:39 AM, canucklehead44 said: I can see him being in the mould of Ryan Callahan but with some more natural gifts like more size and better skill. Like a mix of Perry and Callahan. It sounds like his compete level is off the charts and he seems to do everything well including playing physical and agitating. Give us a combo of Burr at his peak + Lappiere and we have on hell of a competitor and leader. All I've seen of him is a player you'd hate to play in the playoffs against, a gamer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
18W-40C-6W Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 18 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: Y'know, all of the expert hockey reporting by our own Kuzma and Willes leading up to the Draft, neither of them did a feature on Podkolzin. It was all about Boldy, Krebs, Byram, Soderstrom, Broberg, etc. Every day Kuzma did a feature on one of the Draft prospects, but he didn't bother doing a feature on Podkolzin. Goes to show, they have no clue. They still aren't saying much about him, because I don't think they know anything. Next to Pettersson and possibly Hughes, Pod could be the best prospect this team has had in a while. Where's the articles Kuzma and Willes? I think they're too busy bashing Benning these days to pay attention to the Canucks prospects. I think its more of a reflection of how good he is, he wasn't expected to get to us, and given Byram was playing locally he was a natural to review, even though the odds of him falling to us were zero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanukfanatic Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 I kinda hope his 2nd year in the KHL is paid out and he comes over at the end of this upcoming season. He already plays against men. Develop him over here. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeneedLumme Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 2 hours ago, 18W-40C-6W said: I think its more of a reflection of how good he is, he wasn't expected to get to us, and given Byram was playing locally he was a natural to review, even though the odds of him falling to us were zero Yeah, it's like when we drafted Hughes, all the talk before the draft was about other players, like who should we take, Dobson or Bouchard, etc. Nobody expected Hughes to be available to us, so hardly any discussion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nooks Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 Pete’s Brocket Pod. make it happen TG I don’t care if their both RW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glug Datt Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 On 7/8/2019 at 7:55 PM, Alflives said: Podkolzin will be a pretty good 2021 TDL acquisition won’t he? I can see us really pushing deep into the 2021 playoffs, and winning the Cup. pretty sure we could 'acquire' him anytime, not just at the tdl (if that's what you're thinking) As soon as he signs, he's on the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 23 hours ago, Lancaster said: A lot of hockey players and other professional athletes don't enjoy their occupation. They just happen to be proficient enough at it to make a living. The prime example being Alexander Daigle. He has talent and skill.... hence he was draft #1. He was even able to put up 51 points in a depth role under Jacque Lemaire's early 2000's Minnesota Wild.... while with minimal motivation. His passion in life was actually acting, but he's good enough in hockey that he can earn decently overseas. A bit of a nuance, but hockey players aren't paid to play hockey.... they're paid to win hockey games. Waking up earlier to train, to review tapes, to be forced to eat a very strict diet, to meet with sponsors and other extra-circular activities, etc. And this isn't even including the actual game... where your body get beaten and abused, where your life can change in an instant with a hit to a head, a stick or puck to the eye, blown knee, etc. After that, you have to get treatment for all ailments, to get feedback from the coaching staff, to decompress with bike rides and ice bathes, etc. If you're on a team out West, you may be forced to spend a third of the year on the road away from your family/kids, and depending on the market, be stuck in a fishbowl where your ever movement is pretty much tracked by the public. Hence why many players rather just stay overseas for hockey rather than slug it out in the AHL or ECHL for a shot back in the top league. The pressure is less, the trips are much shorter (unless you're in the KHL), and you can have a better work/life balance. Some guys would rather be able to wake up to make their children breakfast and then drop them off at school almost every morning on the way to the rink, rather than having to see them a couple of times per week in the NHL. Money isn't everything, unless you are in the upper echelon of salary. Totally disagree with you What separates 2 prizes fighters from one another, What makes one get up and the other stay down. It is a fire, a drive, that at some level, the other fighter breaks their will. Talent, alone, doesn't do it all. The same can be said for hockey players, as talent alone, just doesn't cut it. Not unless you are ultra talented, like most NHL players. Again, it may be the talent that gets you there, but it is the heart and drive that keeps you there. It is a burning desire to be the best, and always be the best. For some, once they have reach what in their opinion is the best they can be, once they can not push farther, their mind and heart quit. Are they still as talented...yes. But the will to push through the checks, is not worth the sacrifice that is the daily grind, where as those that can rise, excel and stay on, it simply is just not important enough for some. But that does not explain totally what pushes them to be the best, as some fight to reach the mountain, some will fight on to climb the mountain, some want to be the very best, and always demand more from themselves. IMO, those that have that drive, that fire are not in it for the money, but for their own inner self..... It is a need! Now, Daigle had enough talent in him to get to the mountain, but for some reason, be it lack of desire, injury, importance of family or what, he was not prepared to fight or climb further. The questions that the scouts have to decide on is whether the 17 year old star, has that desire, and that drive, to continue. I believe the Canucks after their Combine interviews, felt that Podkolzin had the best combination of talent, drive, size, heart and desire to be the best, as compared to the rest of the picks in his range. In my Opinion, that is what the Combine does in many ways, as the skill is evident on ice...….who is fastest, who has the hardest shot, etc...…...but during the combine, you get to gauge not only the interview, but also how the player pushes himself, and who wants to show better that his peers. From what I understand of Podkolzin, he has that desire to be the best, and the best is in the NHL.....that is where best Russians, Swedes, Finns, Americans, and Canadians play. It is where the best want to be. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancaster Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said: Totally disagree with you What separates 2 prizes fighters from one another, What makes one get up and the other stay down. It is a fire, a drive, that at some level, the other fighter breaks their will. Talent, alone, doesn't do it all. The same can be said for hockey players, as talent alone, just doesn't cut it. Not unless you are ultra talented, like most NHL players. Again, it may be the talent that gets you there, but it is the heart and drive that keeps you there. It is a burning desire to be the best, and always be the best. For some, once they have reach what in their opinion is the best they can be, once they can not push farther, their mind and heart quit. Are they still as talented...yes. But the will to push through the checks, is not worth the sacrifice that is the daily grind, where as those that can rise, excel and stay on, it simply is just not important enough for some. But that does not explain totally what pushes them to be the best, as some fight to reach the mountain, some will fight on to climb the mountain, some want to be the very best, and always demand more from themselves. IMO, those that have that drive, that fire are not in it for the money, but for their own inner self..... It is a need! Now, Daigle had enough talent in him to get to the mountain, but for some reason, be it lack of desire, injury, importance of family or what, he was not prepared to fight or climb further. The questions that the scouts have to decide on is whether the 17 year old star, has that desire, and that drive, to continue. I believe the Canucks after their Combine interviews, felt that Podkolzin had the best combination of talent, drive, size, heart and desire to be the best, as compared to the rest of the picks in his range. In my Opinion, that is what the Combine does in many ways, as the skill is evident on ice...….who is fastest, who has the hardest shot, etc...…...but during the combine, you get to gauge not only the interview, but also how the player pushes himself, and who wants to show better that his peers. From what I understand of Podkolzin, he has that desire to be the best, and the best is in the NHL.....that is where best Russians, Swedes, Finns, Americans, and Canadians play. It is where the best want to be. I'm just saying that for some players, the game of hockey is just a job to collect a paycheque. Sure, some wants to be the best there is, but some just want a comfy lifestyle, and some just continue with hockey because that all they've ever known. There isn't anything "weird" about not wishing to be in the NHL as one poster was trying to allude to. It makes a much sense as saying everyone with a business degree must wish to eventually work at a Wall Street firm and that choosing not to be competing with the best of the best in the business field is weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 6 hours ago, NUCKER67 said: Y'know, all of the expert hockey reporting by our own Kuzma and Willes leading up to the Draft, neither of them did a feature on Podkolzin. It was all about Boldy, Krebs, Byram, Soderstrom, Broberg, etc. Every day Kuzma did a feature on one of the Draft prospects, but he didn't bother doing a feature on Podkolzin. Goes to show, they have no clue. They still aren't saying much about him, because I don't think they know anything. Next to Pettersson and possibly Hughes, Pod could be the best prospect this team has had in a while. Where's the articles Kuzma and Willes? I think they're too busy bashing Benning these days to pay attention to the Canucks prospects. The media pretty much has their heads up their own agenda. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Lancaster said: I'm just saying that for some players, the game of hockey is just a job to collect a paycheque. Sure, some wants to be the best there is, but some just want a comfy lifestyle, and some just continue with hockey because that all they've ever known. There isn't anything "weird" about not wishing to be in the NHL as one poster was trying to allude to. It makes a much sense as saying everyone with a business degree must wish to eventually work at a Wall Street firm and that choosing not to be competing with the best of the best in the business field is weird. No, I get that but. These guys make enough money in the first 5 years, to never work again, but most do, you almost never see a guy on lines 3/2/1 that just quits...…..without explanation, or says I am doing it for my family, or I want to be an actor...…. By the time they get to the NHL, I would bet 99% are playing for the reasons I stated...…….look at the Sedin's as an example You will see., one or two, but not many like that...…...almost all have been weeded out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
18W-40C-6W Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 10 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said: Totally disagree with you What separates 2 prizes fighters from one another, What makes one get up and the other stay down. It is a fire, a drive, that at some level, the other fighter breaks their will. Talent, alone, doesn't do it all. The same can be said for hockey players, as talent alone, just doesn't cut it. Not unless you are ultra talented, like most NHL players. Again, it may be the talent that gets you there, but it is the heart and drive that keeps you there. It is a burning desire to be the best, and always be the best. For some, once they have reach what in their opinion is the best they can be, once they can not push farther, their mind and heart quit. Are they still as talented...yes. But the will to push through the checks, is not worth the sacrifice that is the daily grind, where as those that can rise, excel and stay on, it simply is just not important enough for some. But that does not explain totally what pushes them to be the best, as some fight to reach the mountain, some will fight on to climb the mountain, some want to be the very best, and always demand more from themselves. IMO, those that have that drive, that fire are not in it for the money, but for their own inner self..... It is a need! Now, Daigle had enough talent in him to get to the mountain, but for some reason, be it lack of desire, injury, importance of family or what, he was not prepared to fight or climb further. The questions that the scouts have to decide on is whether the 17 year old star, has that desire, and that drive, to continue. I believe the Canucks after their Combine interviews, felt that Podkolzin had the best combination of talent, drive, size, heart and desire to be the best, as compared to the rest of the picks in his range. In my Opinion, that is what the Combine does in many ways, as the skill is evident on ice...….who is fastest, who has the hardest shot, etc...…...but during the combine, you get to gauge not only the interview, but also how the player pushes himself, and who wants to show better that his peers. From what I understand of Podkolzin, he has that desire to be the best, and the best is in the NHL.....that is where best Russians, Swedes, Finns, Americans, and Canadians play. It is where the best want to be. One word to explain your very insightful post (I agree with you 100 percent - “character”. this is why the Canucks have focused not only on talent but what the character of said player is with that talent. Boeser, Petey, Gaudette, Podkolzin, what you keep seeing is we’re picking guys who have desire to get better. Every player who’s drafted in the first round likely has enough talent to make it at least to the NHL at some point, the difference (amongst that round and others) is are they committed enough at their craft to improve their weaknesses to make it long term. Bo, great player, size, character, two way player but the knock on him is was skating. Look at him now, it’s a strength. Had he not committed himself to be his best, he might be struggling on the 4th line given how fast the league changed to being about speed. Boeser is next and needs to improve that. Petey we can see that intensity to be the best every shift, we know he’ll work on his game. Podz appears to have that same fire. You can be an average player / grinder but if you play with heart you’ll stick and improve (Burrows) or, you can be Uber talented but if you’re hearts not in it, you don’t have the drive and character to compete, you flame out like Daigle, Patrik Stefan etc. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derp... Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 Can we call him the Orca? Vasily "The Orca" Podkolzin Then we can have the Ox, the Alien, and the Orca. Could be an animated show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_Pavel Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 15 hours ago, Kanukfanatic said: I kinda hope his 2nd year in the KHL is paid out and he comes over at the end of this upcoming season. He already plays against men. Develop him over here. Im fine with developing him overseas, Petey, Hughes, and Boeser all developed well away from the Canucks. I would say the prospects who have developed the most in the last five years have not been anywhere near our farm system especially college players. Guys like Lind, Gadj, Petrus, Dahlen all seemed to stall in development, while players like Gaudette, Madden, Rathbone, Juolevi developed very well in other leagues. Might just be a coincidence but it doesn't look good on our development system. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathrowe Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 Terrible nickname that struck me during a 14 hour drive... Vasili Bulldozin Its stuck in my head now and its what my brain call him, suits his style of play at least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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