Popular Post JeremyCuddles Posted September 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 11, 2019 (edited) If a 18 year old kid isn't expected to pay his dues in Russia how do we expect him to pay his dues in the NHL? Listen friends, I want him to play as much as anybody. HE'S 18. He'll be there for 2 years. Let things move organically. He has character out the wazoo. Let him go the Bo Horvat route, prove himself, work his way up the ranks. That's the problem with people today. No patience. I bet y'all the same people that said "pass" to Podkolzin before the draft cause he had a two year KHL contract. People need that instant gratification or have things handed to them immediately. Weird sense of entitlement. That's not how life works. He's an 18 year old on, from what I hear, a pretty good team. He isn't gonna be gifted the premium ice time nor should he be just given premium ice time. Edited September 11, 2019 by N7Nucks 1 7 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 2 hours ago, stawns said: everyone thinking he should break his contract so he can come to NA. He's paying his dues, that's not a bad thing. What one post? You're creating more panic by panicking about the not existent panic lol. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB5 Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 24 minutes ago, N7Nucks said: If a 18 year old kid isn't expected to pay his dues in Russia how do we expect him to pay his dues in the NHL? Listen friends, I want him to play as much as anybody. HE'S 18. He'll be there for 2 years. Let things move organically. He has character out the wazoo. Let him go the Bo Horvat route, prove himself, work his way up the ranks. That's the problem with people today. No patience. I bet y'all the same people that said "pass" to Podkolzin before the draft cause he had a two year KHL contract. People need that instant gratification or have things handed to them immediately. Weird sense of entitlement. That's not how life works. He's an 18 year old on, from what I hear, is a pretty good team. He isn't gonna be gifted the premium ice time nor should he be just given premium ice time. Great post. So many think a player is a bust if they don't make an immediate impact in the NHL right after being drafted. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Fanuck Posted September 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 11, 2019 27 minutes ago, GarthButcher5 said: Great post. So many think a player is a bust if they don't make an immediate impact in the NHL right after being drafted. Wut.....you mean OJ isn't actually a bust....:).........lol...... 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Noble 6 Posted September 12, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 12, 2019 As we get set to track this upcoming year (Podkolzin's draft +1 year), I thought I'd do some research into what we should be expecting for the season. Looking at the relatively few comparables there are for a Russian born forward taken in the 1st round playing the majority of his draft +1 year in the KHL, there seems to be a theme of relatively average production rates. Someone playing in their CHL would almost certainly be expected to break PPG in their draft +1 year, but that is something that is not realistic at all in the KHL. Not even Ovechkin or Malkin hit that mark at that age, so anything close to Pettersson's draft +1 production should be thrown out the window. Getting back to the point, here are some of Podkolzin's comparables in terms of production for this upcoming year: Kravtsov: 21 points in 50 games (0.42 PPG) Denisenko: 6 points in 25 games (0.24 PPG) Tolvanen: 36 points in 49 games (0.73 PPG) Tarasenko: 19 points in 42 games (0.45 PPG) *Actually less than his draft year Kuznetsov: 32 points in 44 games (0.73 PPG) Looking at that list, you can see that the first 3 names are more recent (2018, 2018 and 2017 drafts respectively), while the bottom two are both from the start of the decade (2010 draft). Kravtsov is considered one of the best prospects in the world with that level of production and Denisenko is pretty good as well. Tolvanen had a Pettersson-esque draft +1 year, but has stumbled a bit after that. Tarasenko and Kuznestov obviously matured into high end offensive producers. Decent, but not groundbreaking production levels in the KHL can obviously be seen as a positive. However, the players on that list all play a different style of game from Podkolzin. All those players are either creative, skilled offensive players (Kravtsov, Denisenko, Kuznetsov) or good finishers (Tolvanen, Tarasenko) and don't offer anything significant outside of point production. Podkolzin's biggest strengths are impacting the game away from the scoresheet with things like forechecking, backchecking, penalty killing, defensive awareness, etc. He also has not tracked as a high end point producer so far. In addition, most of those comparables had prior KHL experience in their draft years (Kravtsov, Tarasenko and Kuznetsov), which Podkolzin does not have to the same degree. With all that taken into account, I think it's fair to say that we can expect Podkolzin's production to possibly be on the low end of that list, but his overall play would still be very encouraging, especially if he can earn time on the penalty kill and be trusted defensively. For the sake of throwing a number out there, I would be happy with something like 0.2 PPG - 0.3 PPG while becoming more impactful defensively as the season progresses and he earns the trust of his coach. Side note: I think the concern over his ice time and usage so far is a bit premature. If by the end of the month things don't look like they will pick up, then it would be cause for concern. If we enter mid to late October and nothing has changed, then something should be done. Pavel Dorofeyev (same draft as Podkolzin) actually played in the KHL last year and he is also being started slow. Dorofeyev is averaging 8:18 TOI and 11.6 shifts per game, whereas Podkolzin is averaging 3:06 per game and 4 shifts per game. Both are being brought up slowly. 1 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 3 hours ago, Horvat is a Boss said: Side note: I think the concern over his ice time and usage so far is a bit premature. If by the end of the month things don't look like they will pick up, then it would be cause for concern. If we enter mid to late October and nothing has changed, then something should be done. Pavel Dorofeyev (same draft as Podkolzin) actually played in the KHL last year and he is also being started slow. Dorofeyev is averaging 8:18 TOI and 11.6 shifts per game, whereas Podkolzin is averaging 3:06 per game and 4 shifts per game. Both are being brought up slowly. it was kinda forecasted that his ice time will be on the low end, just that no one expected him to play 1 shift. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkstar Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 We've been really blessed with Pettersson and Hughes the past couple of seasons. Not all picks will go the same development route. I'm disappointed as well that Podkolzin hasn't been playing, but I think the World Juniors is going to be a big test to see where he is at. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YearoftheNuck Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 11 hours ago, Fanuck said: It's a bit hypocritical for sure. When Podz doesn't play people immediately think it's a motivation for him to get out of his contract. Yet when a guy like Dahlen doesn't play in the NHL and is moved out of the organization he's given a hard time by some people for not keeping quiet, taking the minutes he was given in Utica, and earning the rest. Big picture, I agree completely - give 100% with any minutes you're played, pay your dues, contribute when/where you can. Nope, I definitely don’t “immediately” think that he should pack up and leave town. However if these one shift games continue for a prolonged period of time that certainly won’t help his development. Sure it might help build character, but we could sign a half dozen high character guys every free agency if we really wanted to. What I’m more concerned with is his actual on ice development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 (edited) 14 hours ago, N7Nucks said: If a 18 year old kid isn't expected to pay his dues in Russia how do we expect him to pay his dues in the NHL? Listen friends, I want him to play as much as anybody. HE'S 18. He'll be there for 2 years. Let things move organically. He has character out the wazoo. Let him go the Bo Horvat route, prove himself, work his way up the ranks. That's the problem with people today. No patience. I bet y'all the same people that said "pass" to Podkolzin before the draft cause he had a two year KHL contract. People need that instant gratification or have things handed to them immediately. Weird sense of entitlement. That's not how life works. He's an 18 year old on, from what I hear, a pretty good team. He isn't gonna be gifted the premium ice time nor should he be just given premium ice time. Bravo sir or bravo person... Tip of the hat and a slow clap of respect. Side note; Can the pre season start already, the CDC is getting loopy again. Edited September 12, 2019 by Phat Fingers 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenspear Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 17 hours ago, N7Nucks said: If a 18 year old kid isn't expected to pay his dues in Russia how do we expect him to pay his dues in the NHL? Listen friends, I want him to play as much as anybody. HE'S 18. He'll be there for 2 years. Let things move organically. He has character out the wazoo. Let him go the Bo Horvat route, prove himself, work his way up the ranks. That's the problem with people today. No patience. I bet y'all the same people that said "pass" to Podkolzin before the draft cause he had a two year KHL contract. People need that instant gratification or have things handed to them immediately. Weird sense of entitlement. That's not how life works. He's an 18 year old on, from what I hear, a pretty good team. He isn't gonna be gifted the premium ice time nor should he be just given premium ice time. Well said. I think it's more just a shock to see 40 seconds of ice time, tbh. Never see that in NA. I don't think most users here realize they go with 13F, 7D every game (I sure didn't). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal:thecup Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 17 hours ago, Boudrias said: Shutt-Lemaire-Lafleur * Shutt tipping pucks, Lemaire scoring from center ice and the Flower's slapper off the right side to finish off the Bruins. Not to derail thread, but: Gretzky, Lemieux, Hawerchuk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tystick Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 He looks like he could step into the NHL but I don't think he's ready. In 2 years he will, hopefully, be stepping into a cup contender. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre Mac Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 On the bright side it'll be tough to get injured playing only 30sec a game 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 23 hours ago, Boudrias said: Shutt-Lemaire-Lafleur * Shutt tipping pucks, Lemaire scoring from center ice and the Flower's slapper off the right side to finish off the Bruins. .. Buffalo had the best “French Connection” . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanukfanatic Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 13 hours ago, Phat Fingers said: Side note; Can the pre season start already, the CDC is getting loopy again. Sorry. Guilty as charged! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Silky mitts Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 I'm not &^@#ing with this garbage ice time. Kid is clearly making stuff happen play him more... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 I thought SKA St Petersburg just replaced their coach a month ago and brought in a guy who is more likely to play younger players as he's known for developing younger talent. Now Pod is playing 1 min per game.. weird. They should send me him down to the VHL and let the kid play if they don't plan on playing him at least 10 mins a game. Only 6 games into season so no need to worry yet but if this continues the kid needs to be sent down and get more toi. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master 112 Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 On 9/11/2019 at 3:54 PM, Fanuck said: Wut.....you mean OJ isn't actually a bust....:).........lol...... in all likelihood he is 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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