Ronaldoescobar Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 22 minutes ago, Ihatetomatoes said: You know he couldn't make his KHL team right? He's in the VHL a worse league than the AHL There are some incredibly high expectations on the kid right now and imo ppl need to temper it down a bit or risk being severely disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 44 minutes ago, Ihatetomatoes said: You know he couldn't make his KHL team right? He's in the VHL a worse league than the AHL yea and? the KHL is strong league on it's own considered the 2nd highest in skill wise. not many 18 year olds will make it, and he actually did make it, team felt it was better for him to play bigger minutes with VHL instead of playing 5 minutes per night in the KHL. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddogy Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 Vasily is not a particularly skilled player even in the KHL. My expectation for him is a middle 6 winger with the potential to be a complementary player on the top line like Alex Burrows. My concern with him is whether or not he can channel his excitement on the ice to commit to off ice developments including: - learning English; - improve or even revamp his skating; and - improve his all around skills including his shot. My biggest fear is that his on ice enthusiasm does not reflect his off ice preparation and development. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 8 minutes ago, Maddogy said: Vasily is not a particularly skilled player even in the KHL. My expectation for him is a middle 6 winger with the potential to be a complementary player on the top line like Alex Burrows. My concern with him is whether or not he can channel his excitement on the ice to commit to off ice developments including: - learning English; - improve or even revamp his skating; and - improve his all around skills including his shot. My biggest fear is that his on ice enthusiasm does not reflect his off ice preparation and development. After reading his translated interviews, this won’t be a concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post higgyfan Posted October 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, Maddogy said: Vasily is not a particularly skilled player even in the KHL. He just 18yrs. It's uncommon for young players to become regulars in the KHL; especially with SKA, as it is a top team in that league. Now that he is playing regularly for their VHL team, he can finally start developing some chemistry with his linemates. He may move up to the KHL later on in the season. 6 minutes ago, Maddogy said: My expectation for him is a middle 6 winger with the potential to be a complementary player on the top line like Alex Burrows. My concern with him is whether or not he can channel his excitement on the ice to commit to off ice developments including: I see him as a traditional power forward type, where he will take some time to develop into his role. He seems like he will be a terrific addition to a team that will require toughness and a mindset that never gives up as they become contenders for a cup. 6 minutes ago, Maddogy said: - learning English; - improve or even revamp his skating; and - improve his all around skills including his shot. My biggest fear is that his on ice enthusiasm does not reflect his off ice preparation and development. I believe he is taking English lessons. I would think that skill development is considered very important in Russia, just as it is in NA. At the moment, there is no way of knowing what his off ice prep & development is like, but given his results at the combine, I think he trains pretty hard. The kid only has one thing on his mind and that is becoming an NHL player. 1 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post VegasCanuck Posted October 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 25, 2019 43 minutes ago, Maddogy said: Vasily is not a particularly skilled player even in the KHL. My expectation for him is a middle 6 winger with the potential to be a complementary player on the top line like Alex Burrows. My concern with him is whether or not he can channel his excitement on the ice to commit to off ice developments including: - learning English; - improve or even revamp his skating; and - improve his all around skills including his shot. My biggest fear is that his on ice enthusiasm does not reflect his off ice preparation and development. I have no idea where you are getting your information. Your analysis is completely against every scouting report I've seen on him. He was one of the youngest guys in the draft and is playing some games in the KHL, a men's league, at the age of 18 and although not getting a lot of ice time, he doesn't look out of place either. From Hockey Writers: Podkolzin is an elite-level talent who gets in the faces of opponents. From Bob McKenzie: Eight of 10 scouts had Podkolzin at No. 3 and there appears to be some separation between the top three and the rest of the class. https://lastwordonhockey.com/2019/04/02/vasili-podkolzin-scouting-report-2019-nhl-draft-3/ http://www.mynhldraft.com/2019-nhl-draft/player-profiles/Vasili-Podkolzin https://thehockeywriters.com/vancouver-canucks-vasili-podkolzin-draft-analysis/ https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/1781182 I could add links for quite awhile and not find a single one with your take on him. The ONLY reason that we got this kid at number 10, was because he was committed to the KHL for the next 2 seasons and most drafting above us, were looking for someone who could be available to play in the NHL sooner. Be excited about this kid, he's going to be worth the wait. 2 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddogy Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said: I have no idea where you are getting your information. Your analysis is completely against every scouting report I've seen on him. He was one of the youngest guys in the draft and is playing some games in the KHL, a men's league, at the age of 18 and although not getting a lot of ice time, he doesn't look out of place either. From Hockey Writers: Podkolzin is an elite-level talent who gets in the faces of opponents. From Bob McKenzie: Eight of 10 scouts had Podkolzin at No. 3 and there appears to be some separation between the top three and the rest of the class. https://lastwordonhockey.com/2019/04/02/vasili-podkolzin-scouting-report-2019-nhl-draft-3/ http://www.mynhldraft.com/2019-nhl-draft/player-profiles/Vasili-Podkolzin https://thehockeywriters.com/vancouver-canucks-vasili-podkolzin-draft-analysis/ https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/1781182 I could add links for quite awhile and not find a single one with your take on him. The ONLY reason that we got this kid at number 10, was because he was committed to the KHL for the next 2 seasons and most drafting above us, were looking for someone who could be available to play in the NHL sooner. Be excited about this kid, he's going to be worth the wait. If Jim Benning relied on these media types for his drafting decisions, his record may not be as rosy as it is right now. Podkolzin shows flashes of skill and talent, as do A LOT of players drafted in the NHL draft. There are A LOT of players that skate better than him, shoot better than him, have better vision and hockey IQ. His on ice compete level stands out. Which is very difficult for a young kid to pull off. We do not know enough about him to say that his unusually high level of compete is also reflected in his off ice development. If indeed it is, he can skate better like Horvat did, shoot better like Quinn Hughes did, dangle better like E.P. did. Hard work can improve his skill level to a significant degree. We just do not know what he is like off the ice. If he is here playing in the AHL, we would hear more about his off ice demeanor. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dats hockey Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 2 hours ago, Ihatetomatoes said: You know he couldn't make his KHL team right? He's in the VHL a worse league than the AHL He could probably make a KHL team, you know his team is like the Tampa of the NHL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Maddogy said: If Jim Benning relied on these media types for his drafting decisions, his record may not be as rosy as it is right now. Podkolzin shows flashes of skill and talent, as do A LOT of players drafted in the NHL draft. There are A LOT of players that skate better than him, shoot better than him, have better vision and hockey IQ. His on ice compete level stands out. Which is very difficult for a young kid to pull off. We do not know enough about him to say that his unusually high level of compete is also reflected in his off ice development. If indeed it is, he can skate better like Horvat did, shoot better like Quinn Hughes did, dangle better like E.P. did. Hard work can improve his skill level to a significant degree. We just do not know what he is like off the ice. If he is here playing in the AHL, we would hear more about his off ice demeanor. Benning makes his own decisions on drafting and talent. You still aren't saying where you're getting your analysis from, I can't find ANYTHING that matches what you are saying. He's not in North America, so you're probably not able to watch a lot of broadcasts of his games. Granted, I have not seen him play much either and am mainly relying on reports of people who have, but I also posted a LOT of links and could have posted a whole lot more of them, all of people saying that he is an elite level talent that the Canucks were really lucky to get at #10. I haven't seen you post anything yet that contradicts those other than what amounts to idle speculation. So, can you backup your argument? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alflives Posted October 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 25, 2019 33 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said: I have no idea where you are getting your information. Your analysis is completely against every scouting report I've seen on him. He was one of the youngest guys in the draft and is playing some games in the KHL, a men's league, at the age of 18 and although not getting a lot of ice time, he doesn't look out of place either. From Hockey Writers: Podkolzin is an elite-level talent who gets in the faces of opponents. From Bob McKenzie: Eight of 10 scouts had Podkolzin at No. 3 and there appears to be some separation between the top three and the rest of the class. https://lastwordonhockey.com/2019/04/02/vasili-podkolzin-scouting-report-2019-nhl-draft-3/ http://www.mynhldraft.com/2019-nhl-draft/player-profiles/Vasili-Podkolzin https://thehockeywriters.com/vancouver-canucks-vasili-podkolzin-draft-analysis/ https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/1781182 I could add links for quite awhile and not find a single one with your take on him. The ONLY reason that we got this kid at number 10, was because he was committed to the KHL for the next 2 seasons and most drafting above us, were looking for someone who could be available to play in the NHL sooner. Be excited about this kid, he's going to be worth the wait. Yup. When Podz arrives in 2021 he will be a man, but only starting his elc. He’s going to immediately impact our top nine, but be cheap. It’s fantastic for us to have this. It keeps our window for winning open longer. Teams who passed on Podz are going to be regretting their mistake, just like they are now with missing Petey and Quinn. 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 On 10/24/2019 at 9:00 AM, GoldenAlien said: Focht and Woo look to be on the WHL roster. No Canucks in the OHL and QMJHL rosters, so hopefully Podkolzin destroys them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Fanuck Posted October 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 25, 2019 2 hours ago, Maddogy said: My biggest fear is that his on ice enthusiasm does not reflect his off ice preparation and development. Can you give us one piece of tangible, credible evidence to support this concern? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddogy Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 (edited) 41 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said: Benning makes his own decisions on drafting and talent. You still aren't saying where you're getting your analysis from, I can't find ANYTHING that matches what you are saying. He's not in North America, so you're probably not able to watch a lot of broadcasts of his games. Granted, I have not seen him play much either and am mainly relying on reports of people who have, but I also posted a LOT of links and could have posted a whole lot more of them, all of people saying that he is an elite level talent that the Canucks were really lucky to get at #10. I haven't seen you post anything yet that contradicts those other than what amounts to idle speculation. So, can you backup your argument? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGBZjQj73gM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1g1bwApB1hY I agree with the Youtuber that at #10 Vancouver could have picked someone with more skill, talent and higher ceiling. Where I reserve my judgement is the effect of hard work on post-draft development. Brian Burke admitted several times that Calgary did not rank Horvat very high, but with hard work Horvat impressed his skating and raised his potential and his ceiling. All players drafted in the first 2 rounds have a great level of skill. Vasily's skill is comparable but not particularly impressive in his peer group. This is part of the reason that his stats have been questioned. Edited October 25, 2019 by Maddogy 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanukfanatic Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 1 hour ago, VegasCanuck said: I have no idea where you are getting your information. Your analysis is completely against every scouting report I've seen on him. He was one of the youngest guys in the draft and is playing some games in the KHL, a men's league, at the age of 18 and although not getting a lot of ice time, he doesn't look out of place either. From Hockey Writers: Podkolzin is an elite-level talent who gets in the faces of opponents. From Bob McKenzie: Eight of 10 scouts had Podkolzin at No. 3 and there appears to be some separation between the top three and the rest of the class. https://lastwordonhockey.com/2019/04/02/vasili-podkolzin-scouting-report-2019-nhl-draft-3/ http://www.mynhldraft.com/2019-nhl-draft/player-profiles/Vasili-Podkolzin https://thehockeywriters.com/vancouver-canucks-vasili-podkolzin-draft-analysis/ https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/1781182 I could add links for quite awhile and not find a single one with your take on him. The ONLY reason that we got this kid at number 10, was because he was committed to the KHL for the next 2 seasons and most drafting above us, were looking for someone who could be available to play in the NHL sooner. Be excited about this kid, he's going to be worth the wait. Good post. That poster saying Vasily is not skilled has no idea what they are talking about. Laughable opinion imo cuz that poster knows more than all the scouts you post above? Haha...man o man. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanukfanatic Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Maddogy said: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGBZjQj73gM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1g1bwApB1hY Haha....youtube clips are your research and evidence saying Vasily is not skilled? That is some pretty in depth and thorough research right there! Edited October 25, 2019 by Kanukfanatic 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddogy Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Fanuck said: Can you give us one piece of tangible, credible evidence to support this concern? My concern is exactly based on lack of information about his personal life off the ice. I do not know what he is like off the ice. I understand that some of you have hang around this forum for some time and is therefore sensitive to what others say. I am merely discussing this player as a layman. I am not asserting what he will or will not become. I like the pick and support it even though Caufield was available at #10. My concerns with Vasily is far less than my concerns with Caufield. I am just not sold on Caufiled and his stats. Edited October 25, 2019 by Maddogy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddogy Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Kanukfanatic said: Haha....youtube clips are your research and evidence saying Vasily is not skilled? That is some pretty in depth and thorough research right there! Why do discussions have to be black and white? Why can't a player be skilled in the sense that he was picked in the 1st round but not particularly skilled compared to his peers on the very top of 2019 draft? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Fanuck Posted October 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Maddogy said: My concern is exactly based on lack of information about his personal life off the ice. I do not know what he is like off the ice. I understand that some of you have hang around this forum for some time and is therefore sensitive to what others say. I am merely discussing this player as a layman. I am not asserting what he will or will not become. I like the pick and support it even though Caufield was available at #10. The only thing I'm sensitive to is people completely fabricating things based off of nothing. That's a toxic element to this forum which, quite frankly, keeps me away from CDC more and more in recent times. If you have 'real, credible' evidence to support any concern over this kid (or any other prospect) - I'm open to hearing it. But yeah, if you're gonna make stuff up because you don't have information saying otherwise - then expect to get called out about it. 2 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 17 minutes ago, Maddogy said: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGBZjQj73gM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1g1bwApB1hY I agree with the Youtuber that at #10 Vancouver could have picked someone with more skill, talent and higher ceiling. Where I reserve my judgement is the effect of hard work on post-draft development. Brian Burke admitted several times that Calgary did not rank Horvat very high, but with hard work Horvat impressed his skating and raised his potential and his ceiling. All players drafted in the first 2 rounds have a great level of skill. Vasily's skill is comparable but not particularly impressive in his peer group. This is part of the reason that his stats have been questioned. On Burkey..I'll never really respect this guy's opinion. The Kessel deal was one of the biggest blunders(in the cap era) that one could imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 I just want to say that Podkolzin's lack of production through league play in his draft year was probably more of a factor in him dropping to 10th overall than his 2 year KHL contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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