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43 minutes ago, WeneedLumme said:

I don't think he is going to need any more time in the AHL than Petey, Brock or Quinn did. You know that the KHL is a higher level of play than the AHL, right?

You know he couldn't make his KHL team right? He's in the VHL a worse league than the AHL

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22 minutes ago, Ihatetomatoes said:

You know he couldn't make his KHL team right? He's in the VHL a worse league than the AHL

There are some incredibly high expectations on the kid right now and imo ppl need to temper it down a bit or risk being severely disappointed. 

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44 minutes ago, Ihatetomatoes said:

You know he couldn't make his KHL team right? He's in the VHL a worse league than the AHL

yea and?  the KHL is strong league on it's own considered the 2nd highest in skill wise.  not many 18 year olds will make it, and he actually did make it, team felt it was better for him to play bigger minutes with VHL instead of playing 5 minutes per night in the KHL. 

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Vasily is not a particularly skilled player even in the KHL. My expectation for him is a middle 6 winger with the potential to be a complementary player on the top line like Alex Burrows. My concern with him is whether or not he can channel his excitement on the ice to commit to off ice developments including:

 

- learning English;

- improve or even revamp his skating; and

- improve his all around skills including his shot.

 

My biggest fear is that his on ice enthusiasm does not reflect his off ice preparation and development.

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8 minutes ago, Maddogy said:

Vasily is not a particularly skilled player even in the KHL. My expectation for him is a middle 6 winger with the potential to be a complementary player on the top line like Alex Burrows. My concern with him is whether or not he can channel his excitement on the ice to commit to off ice developments including:

 

- learning English;

- improve or even revamp his skating; and

- improve his all around skills including his shot.

 

My biggest fear is that his on ice enthusiasm does not reflect his off ice preparation and development.

After reading his translated interviews, this won’t be a concern. 

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9 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said:

I have no idea where you are getting your information. Your analysis is completely against every scouting report I've seen on him. He was one of the youngest guys in the draft and is playing some games in the KHL, a men's league, at the age of 18 and although not getting a lot of ice time, he doesn't look out of place either.

 

From Hockey Writers: Podkolzin is an elite-level talent who gets in the faces of opponents.

 

From Bob McKenzie: Eight of 10 scouts had Podkolzin at No. 3 and there appears to be some separation between the top three and the rest of the class. 

 

https://lastwordonhockey.com/2019/04/02/vasili-podkolzin-scouting-report-2019-nhl-draft-3/

http://www.mynhldraft.com/2019-nhl-draft/player-profiles/Vasili-Podkolzin

https://thehockeywriters.com/vancouver-canucks-vasili-podkolzin-draft-analysis/

https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/1781182

 

I could add links for quite awhile and not find a single one with your take on him.

 

The ONLY reason that we got this kid at number 10, was because he was committed to the KHL for the next 2 seasons and most drafting above us, were looking for someone who could be available to play in the NHL sooner.

 

Be excited about this kid, he's going to be worth the wait.

 

 

If Jim Benning relied on these media types for his drafting decisions, his record may not be as rosy as it is right now.

 

Podkolzin shows flashes of skill and talent, as do A LOT of players drafted in the NHL draft. There are A LOT of players that skate better than him, shoot better than him, have better vision and hockey IQ. His on ice compete level stands out. Which is very difficult for a young kid to pull off. We do not know enough about him to say that his unusually high level of compete is also reflected in his off ice development. If indeed it is, he can skate better like Horvat did, shoot better like Quinn Hughes did, dangle better like E.P. did. Hard work can improve his skill level to a significant degree. We just do not know what he is like off the ice. If he is here playing in the AHL, we would hear more about his off ice demeanor. 

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2 hours ago, Ihatetomatoes said:

You know he couldn't make his KHL team right? He's in the VHL a worse league than the AHL

He could probably make a KHL team, you know his team is like the Tampa of the NHL

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1 minute ago, Maddogy said:

If Jim Benning relied on these media types for his drafting decisions, his record may not be as rosy as it is right now.

 

Podkolzin shows flashes of skill and talent, as do A LOT of players drafted in the NHL draft. There are A LOT of players that skate better than him, shoot better than him, have better vision and hockey IQ. His on ice compete level stands out. Which is very difficult for a young kid to pull off. We do not know enough about him to say that his unusually high level of compete is also reflected in his off ice development. If indeed it is, he can skate better like Horvat did, shoot better like Quinn Hughes did, dangle better like E.P. did. Hard work can improve his skill level to a significant degree. We just do not know what he is like off the ice. If he is here playing in the AHL, we would hear more about his off ice demeanor. 

Benning makes his own decisions on drafting and talent.

 

You still aren't saying where you're getting your analysis from, I can't find ANYTHING that matches what you are saying. He's not in North America, so you're probably not able to watch a lot of broadcasts of his games.

 

Granted, I have not seen him play much either and am mainly relying on reports of people who have, but I also posted a LOT of links and could have posted a whole lot more of them, all of people saying that he is an elite level talent that the Canucks were really lucky to get at #10.

 

I haven't seen you post anything yet that contradicts those other than what amounts to idle speculation.

 

So, can you backup your argument?

 

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On ‎10‎/‎24‎/‎2019 at 9:00 AM, GoldenAlien said:

 

Focht and Woo look to be on the WHL roster. No Canucks in the OHL and QMJHL rosters, so hopefully Podkolzin destroys them.

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41 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said:

Benning makes his own decisions on drafting and talent.

 

You still aren't saying where you're getting your analysis from, I can't find ANYTHING that matches what you are saying. He's not in North America, so you're probably not able to watch a lot of broadcasts of his games.

 

Granted, I have not seen him play much either and am mainly relying on reports of people who have, but I also posted a LOT of links and could have posted a whole lot more of them, all of people saying that he is an elite level talent that the Canucks were really lucky to get at #10.

 

I haven't seen you post anything yet that contradicts those other than what amounts to idle speculation.

 

So, can you backup your argument?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGBZjQj73gM

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1g1bwApB1hY

 

I agree with the Youtuber that at #10 Vancouver could have picked someone with more skill, talent and higher ceiling. Where I reserve my judgement is the effect of hard work on post-draft development. Brian Burke admitted several times that Calgary did not rank Horvat very high, but with hard work Horvat impressed his skating and raised his potential and his ceiling. 

 

All players drafted in the first 2 rounds have a great level of skill. Vasily's skill is comparable but not particularly impressive in his peer group. This is part of the reason that his stats have been questioned. 

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1 hour ago, VegasCanuck said:

I have no idea where you are getting your information. Your analysis is completely against every scouting report I've seen on him. He was one of the youngest guys in the draft and is playing some games in the KHL, a men's league, at the age of 18 and although not getting a lot of ice time, he doesn't look out of place either.

 

From Hockey Writers: Podkolzin is an elite-level talent who gets in the faces of opponents.

 

From Bob McKenzie: Eight of 10 scouts had Podkolzin at No. 3 and there appears to be some separation between the top three and the rest of the class. 

 

https://lastwordonhockey.com/2019/04/02/vasili-podkolzin-scouting-report-2019-nhl-draft-3/

http://www.mynhldraft.com/2019-nhl-draft/player-profiles/Vasili-Podkolzin

https://thehockeywriters.com/vancouver-canucks-vasili-podkolzin-draft-analysis/

https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/1781182

 

I could add links for quite awhile and not find a single one with your take on him.

 

The ONLY reason that we got this kid at number 10, was because he was committed to the KHL for the next 2 seasons and most drafting above us, were looking for someone who could be available to play in the NHL sooner.

 

Be excited about this kid, he's going to be worth the wait.

 

 

Good post.

 

That poster saying Vasily is not skilled has no idea what they are talking about. Laughable opinion imo cuz that poster knows more than all the scouts you post above?  Haha...man o man.

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11 minutes ago, Maddogy said:

Haha....youtube clips are your research and evidence saying Vasily is not skilled?

 

:frantic:

 

That is some pretty in depth and thorough research right there!

 :bigblush:

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15 minutes ago, Fanuck said:

Can you give us one piece of tangible, credible evidence to support this concern? 

My concern is exactly based on lack of information about his personal life off the ice. I do not know what he is like off the ice. I understand that some of you have hang around this forum for some time and is therefore sensitive to what others say. I am merely discussing this player as a layman. I am not asserting what he will or will not become. I like the pick and support it even though Caufield was available at #10. My concerns with Vasily is far less than my concerns with Caufield. I am just not sold on Caufiled and his stats. 

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2 minutes ago, Kanukfanatic said:

Haha....youtube clips are your research and evidence saying Vasily is not skilled?

 

:frantic:

 

That is some pretty in depth and thorough research right there!

 :bigblush:

Why do discussions have to be black and white? Why can't a player be skilled in the sense that he was picked in the 1st round but not particularly skilled compared to his peers on the very top of 2019 draft? 

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17 minutes ago, Maddogy said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGBZjQj73gM

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1g1bwApB1hY

 

I agree with the Youtuber that at #10 Vancouver could have picked someone with more skill, talent and higher ceiling. Where I reserve my judgement is the effect of hard work on post-draft development. Brian Burke admitted several times that Calgary did not rank Horvat very high, but with hard work Horvat impressed his skating and raised his potential and his ceiling. 

 

All players drafted in the first 2 rounds have a great level of skill. Vasily's skill is comparable but not particularly impressive in his peer group. This is part of the reason that his stats have been questioned. 

On Burkey..I'll never really respect this guy's opinion. The Kessel deal was one of the biggest blunders(in the cap era) that one could imagine.

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