theo5789 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 38 minutes ago, VIC_CITY said: Bo would have some serious growing to do. Offensively, he can get there. Defensively I wouldn't bank on it. Bergeron has been an elite center over the past decade. He might be the best 200 foot player in the game. Probably a toss up between him and O'Reilly. Never said it was going to be easy, but that's the type of career I hope for. Strong on draws, responsible defensively while taking on top checking duties often and decent offensive instincts. Ryan O'Reilly is another good example though. It's better that we have players like this rather than not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Bump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 (edited) Without Miller, EP simply isn't having the kind of season he is, particularly when he is keyed upon that much more, and the team has had to shift Horvat's line from secondary scoring to matchup in the absence of Sutter, Beagle (Edler) types. Pettersson's sustained production simply cannot be separated, even moreso in the context of lost shutdown guys who enable the top 6 - from heavier, vital additions like Miller. Without Miller, EP doesn't have a 59.3% faceoff guy to start with possession the majority of the time. Without Miller, that line lacks a forecheck, size, speed = the heavier elements it was lacking. Without Miller, EP remains a center who has to battle even more down low in his own zone - wear and tear and risk that you simply don't want to subject your smaller, slight, skilled franchise player to. Imagine if the Sedins had Miller on their wing through those many lean years where (with the exception of the Burrows years), they never really had the complementary wingers they needed. Benning made no comparable mistake here - he saw an opportunity to add the exact kind of player to enhance Pettersson's game - and he seized that opportunity. Good move - good calculation - worthwhile risk relative to the mean value of the pick we are likely talking about (if a 17th spot wins a lottery, that is absurd odds for example, otherwise, the mean value of a pick is unlikely to represent this kind of specific value to the franchise). Not bad for a 3rd/4th line center and purported 'cap dump'. Edited January 17, 2020 by oldnews 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 23 minutes ago, oldnews said: Without Miller, EP simply isn't having the kind of season he is, particularly when he is keyed upon that much more, and the team has had to shift Horvat's line from secondary scoring to matchup in the absence of Sutter, Beagle (Edler) types. Pettersson's sustained production simply cannot be separated, even moreso in the context of lost shutdown guys who enable the top 6 - from heavier, vital additions like Miller. Without Miller, EP doesn't have a 59.3% faceoff guy to start with possession the majority of the time. Without Miller, that line lacks a forecheck, size, speed = the heavier elements it was lacking. Without Miller, EP remains a center who has to battle even more down low in his own zone - wear and tear and risk that you simply don't want to subject your smaller, slight, skilled franchise player to. Imagine if the Sedins had Miller on their wing through those many lean years where (with the exception of the Burrows years), they never really had the complementary wingers they needed. Benning made no comparable mistake here - he saw an opportunity to add the exact kind of player to enhance Pettersson's game - and he seized that opportunity. Good move - good calculation - worthwhile risk relative to the mean value of the pick we are likely talking about (if a 17th spot wins a lottery, that is absurd odds for example, otherwise, the mean value of a pick is unlikely to represent this kind of specific value to the franchise). Not bad for a 3rd/4th line center and purported 'cap dump'. Everything about your post was excellent! But then you go and say that... now you know what will happen. We'll miss the playoffs, TBay will get that lottery pick, and win damn 1st OA. Delete it now! Make it go away before the universe sees it! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Monahan Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 On 12/27/2019 at 3:33 PM, coryberg said: 38th among nhl centers last year... how many teams do you think are in the league 15? Plus Reinhart doesn’t spend much time at C so you can slide Bo up another spot there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
De Grasse is greener Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 On 1/17/2020 at 1:00 PM, oldnews said: Without Miller, EP simply isn't having the kind of season he is, particularly when he is keyed upon that much more, and the team has had to shift Horvat's line from secondary scoring to matchup in the absence of Sutter, Beagle (Edler) types. Pettersson's sustained production simply cannot be separated, even moreso in the context of lost shutdown guys who enable the top 6 - from heavier, vital additions like Miller. Without Miller, EP doesn't have a 59.3% faceoff guy to start with possession the majority of the time. Without Miller, that line lacks a forecheck, size, speed = the heavier elements it was lacking. Without Miller, EP remains a center who has to battle even more down low in his own zone - wear and tear and risk that you simply don't want to subject your smaller, slight, skilled franchise player to. Imagine if the Sedins had Miller on their wing through those many lean years where (with the exception of the Burrows years), they never really had the complementary wingers they needed. Benning made no comparable mistake here - he saw an opportunity to add the exact kind of player to enhance Pettersson's game - and he seized that opportunity. Good move - good calculation - worthwhile risk relative to the mean value of the pick we are likely talking about (if a 17th spot wins a lottery, that is absurd odds for example, otherwise, the mean value of a pick is unlikely to represent this kind of specific value to the franchise). Not bad for a 3rd/4th line center and purported 'cap dump'. Agreed. I think the points you make also mean things are more optimal for EP's development. EP's still rapidly growing his game and his body; and with that 200+ hockey IQ, it's hard to put a ceiling on what he could become. Miller's presence on the 1st line and the increased depth in the top 6 hopefully give us a chance to hit that ceiling, and not just for EP but for our other young forwards too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Still like going back to the first 20 pages and dredging up the gems 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 32 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Still like going back to the first 20 pages and dredging up the gems Miller is a brilliant player, isn’t he? Big, skilled, tough, high compete. He is great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tower102 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Warhippy said: Still like going back to the first 20 pages and dredging up the gems Ya I just read through the first 15 or so. People seem to think that just because Tampa needed to clear cap space that it didn't matter the quality of player they were trading. I wonder if we had traded for Matthews because Toronto needed to clear cap space would fans still expect us to not give up anything more than a 3rd. People also saw that a 5 mil contract was tough for TB but was actually fair value for what he was producing, and now with his role on our team it seems like a bargain compared to contracts being signed. There were some people that were trying to point that out but they were definitely in the minority. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sean Monahan Posted January 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2020 On 6/22/2019 at 10:43 AM, Warhippy said: Conditional first? Sorry but for who has gone where and for what today, that's not an admirable trade. What are the conditions? 2 hours ago, Warhippy said: Still like going back to the first 20 pages and dredging up the gems Definitely not a severe overreaction but you didn’t seem too fond of it yourself, Hip. 1 6 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanukfanatic Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 (edited) edit Edited January 22, 2020 by Kanukfanatic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 On 6/22/2019 at 11:05 AM, BPA said: Gotta give to get. Seems like I was neutral on this trade. Needed to wait and see how it all played out. But understood we got a good player at a fair price. A hockey trade. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 The overreactions are normal. But the best part was a lot of us thought Bo found his winger when really we aquired a First line left winger with leadership and one of the best face off man in the league 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancaster Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Many (including myself) were a bit puzzled because a 1st was given up. Of course JT is a good player, but considering that the TBL were somewhat in a tough cap situation, the Canucks still paid FMV for him. Unless there was some bidding war behind the scenes, you would have assumed that GMJB could have offered a lower package. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Monahan Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Lancaster said: Many (including myself) were a bit puzzled because a 1st was given up. Of course JT is a good player, but considering that the TBL were somewhat in a tough cap situation, the Canucks still paid FMV for him. Unless there was some bidding war behind the scenes, you would have assumed that GMJB could have offered a lower package. Can’t remember where but I remember reading sometime shortly after the trade that another team had offered up a first. The NYI are coming to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift-4 Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 nearly a point a game player for us strong face off guy big body well liked by teammates not worth a conditional first 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Lancaster said: Many (including myself) were a bit puzzled because a 1st was given up. Of course JT is a good player, but considering that the TBL were somewhat in a tough cap situation, the Canucks still paid FMV for him. Unless there was some bidding war behind the scenes, you would have assumed that GMJB could have offered a lower package. Cap strapped or not you won't have trouble getting full value for a quality player at a fair cap hit with no trading restrictions. Ask yourself this: The Coyotes were in need of offense. If you were their GM would you let the Canucks get Miller for song when you're in need of that type of player yourself? Then add in every other GM looking to add offense to his roster. Off the top at least half the league would be interested to get him at a bargain. And at least five of those would be interested in a fair deal. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Burke on the intermission of the Jets/CBJ arguing that MIller was the best offseason acquisition in the NHL. And that the Canucks are the biggest "surprise" in the NHL. Hard to argue with either Burkie. Canucks twitterverse may never like you, but some of us in here sure do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Analyst82 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 On 6/24/2019 at 8:25 AM, Analyst82 said: Absolute brilliant response!!! You can't wait anymore. We have a solid group of young players that needs to start winning some games and getting playoff experience. The rebuild shouldn't take 100 years. Get the core that you need and surround them with pieces that will help them excel. People assume that Miller was a salary dump, but in reality he might of not been a player Tb wanted to necessarily trade. JB wanted him for a reason and pulled the trigger even if the cost was a bit higher. Overall! With this core and a few minor additions our forwards core looks solid and built for tough long runs. Was always a fan of this trade! I still believe that Miller was not the first choice for Tampa to trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucklehead73 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 6 hours ago, Shift-4 said: nearly a point a game player for us strong face off guy big body well liked by teammates not worth a conditional first You forgot that Miller was a first round pick I think this point is missed by a lot of the people complaining (don't mean you) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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