stawns Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 1 minute ago, babalu said: Hey that one darft pick has turned into: Horvat Boeser Pettersson Hughes That is the quality of player we are giving up by surrendering our first. I find your lack of faith in Petey, Boes, Bo, Hughes, OJ and Demko disturbing. If you think those picks are so fantastic, why don't you believe they can lead the team to the playoffs in the next two years? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atillaMYhun Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 I like JT Miller I don't like having to give up a 1st for him. 50yrs of being a Canuck fan and I can't help but think we win the lottery in 2 yrs I will be interested in seeing the prices paid in other trades this offseason around the league. What other teams get for their 1st round picks in particular. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babalu Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Spicolee said: Or, the pick is deferred until 2021 and we win the lottery. Exactly, this has the potential to be another Ottawa situation. Just because it's protected this year doesn't mean it is the following year. We may have just given up a top 5 pick. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 Just now, ItTakesAnArmy said: One thing, what if he can't play on the wing? that's where he plays in TB and played mainly in NY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhorvat Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, babalu said: Hey that one draft pick has turned into: Horvat Boeser Pettersson Hughes That is the quality of player we are giving up by surrendering our first. We gave up a 1st for a former 1st round pick in his prime. Basically fast tracked a 1st by giving up a mid to late 1st 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIC_CITY Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 36 minutes ago, Fakename70 said: If Miller's going to be at LW, I hope that means Baertschi is on his way out then. Otherwise, they've got no balance at C, with 3 lefties and 1 RH on the 4th line. Assuming Gaudette is in the press box or traded, of course. Yes, lots of lefties. I do see potential in a 4 man 4th line though. Willie D, is that you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 (edited) nvm. Language Edited June 22, 2019 by bishopshodan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edge_Case Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, Alflives said: JTM is 218 pounds, skilled, puts up 50 points, plays all three forward positions, is hard to play against, is 26, and signed to a great four year contract. He’s a really good guy for our team. A top six gritty, skilled, heavy bodied, versatile, locked up for a decent cap hit, player that fills a need really good add to the roster imho. A bit pricy but maybe not so much with the conditional 1st ... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post danaimo Posted June 22, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, babalu said: Not saying they don't. I am all for going for the playoffs this year and adding players to our top 6. I just think we could have done better if we were trading our first. I think you overvalue 1st round picks. Miller has already outperformed the average first round pick in any given year. There is good reason to believe that he can get better. Check out hockeydb for stats by draft position. Below is a link for Miller's draft class. http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2011e.html See how the quality drops off. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownky Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, babalu said: Hey that one draft pick has turned into: Horvat Boeser Pettersson Hughes That is the quality of player we are giving up by surrendering our first. It's also Schroeder, Jensen, Shinkaruk, and countless other duds over the history of the franchise. The west is probably going to suck, so making the playoffs is a distinct possibility, especially through adding a top6 winger who actually wants to be here. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babalu Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 1 minute ago, stawns said: I find your lack of faith in Petey, Boes, Bo, Hughes, OJ and Demko disturbing. If you think those picks are so fantastic, why don't you believe they can lead the team to the playoffs in the next two years? Never said they couldn't. We took Boeser at 23. What ever that pick ends up being is still an over payment imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhorvat Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, atillaMYhun said: I like JT Miller I don't like having to give up a 1st for him. 50yrs of being a Canuck fan and I can't help but think we win the lottery in 2 yrs I will be interested in seeing the prices paid in other trades this offseason around the league. What other teams get for their 1st round picks in particular. If this ends being a lottery pick in 2021 thn we have bigger problems. Which wont be the case. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptKirk888 Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 1 hour ago, MikeyD said: Can we stop comparing him to the Hayes deal? Hayes was overpaid and overhyped. Should we compare this trade to the Subban deal and wonder how we didn't get him for a 2nd round pick? Cap dump for Nashville Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 1 minute ago, babalu said: Exactly, this has the potential to be another Ottawa situation. Just because it's protected this year doesn't mean it is the following year. We may have just given up a top 5 pick. or it has the potential to boost Petey, Boes and Bo's game up significantly, to say nothing of Miller's, who could hit 60-70 points playing with Petey and Boes. No one is saying it's not a gamble, but they are in a position to gamle a bit now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generational.EP40 Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 41 minutes ago, VIC_CITY said: Quite frankly, I think this cap dump take is beyond stupid. A cap dump is a player with no value. Miller clearly had a lot of value around the league. We can't just ignore that because Tampa is up against the cap. Maybe you get the player at a discount if the other GM is desperate but this clearly wasn't the case. 30 other NHL teams would love to have Miller on their team. Did we over pay? Probably. But this narrative that we paid significant assets for someone's cap dump is just plain stupid. We paid significant assets for a very valuable player. I can’t believe people don’t have perspective. Obviously by “cap dump” it doesn’t mean it so literally for as if some useless player. It’s not different than had the Leafs had to move Nylander. He would be their quote on quote “cap dump” even though they’d still get a return. But it wouldn’t be the same return let’s say they would have got at the start of the year due to everyone knowing they’re stuck financially. Likewise, Miller like Nylander is a top6 (2nd line) player and would/could be used as sacrificed “cap dumps” for their respective teams. However, the Canucks paid a premium for Miller when it didn’t make sense to. And at the same time, the Bolts freed up cap (“cap dump” - again, not literally in this sense) and didn’t have to bite the bullet. We let them go Scott Free and even added a sweetener with a 3rd rounder. Terrible asset management and value by JB here despite getting a good player. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBH1926 Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 This thread is highly entertaining. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post grandmaster Posted June 22, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 22, 2019 Let me ask you folks. 26 year old Miller at 5.5M for next 4 years versus 27 year old Panarin for 10M next 8 or 9 years? Both top 6 forwards and produce. One obviously more than the other. I’m thinking this may have been the better option. 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, ItTakesAnArmy said: One thing, what if he can't play on the wing? Well, he’s primarily been a winger for his career, and has succeeded at that position, so... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, babalu said: Exactly, this has the potential to be another Ottawa situation. Just because it's protected this year doesn't mean it is the following year. We may have just given up a top 5 pick. well, the last two drafts haven't been top 5 picks and it's highly unlikely they starting trending downward now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generational.EP40 Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 (edited) And for anyone that’s far up JB’s ass being that much of a homer who doesn’t acknowledge it as bad value, just think: We gave up more value to get Miller than NJ did to get Subban. Dmen are more valuable than forwards. Miller isn’t even a 1st liner whereas Subban is a top line dman and a Norris winner. ...perspective... Edited June 22, 2019 by Generational.EP40 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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