Popular Post Gaudette Celly Posted June 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2019 20 minutes ago, Blömqvist said: We've been needing a JT Miller-type of player but who needs JT Miller when we can take the draft pick that could potentially turn into a JT Miller-type of player? Part of it is there will always be automatic outrage whenever a 1st round pick is moved, but also the timing of the Marleau trade. As a result, a false equivocation has been presumed between two very different situations, same as the false equivocation with the Ottawa acquiring of Duchene. Apparently a "fair" return for Miller would have been Tampa including their first rounder. 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fakename70 Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 4 hours ago, oldnews said: Uh - Sutter, Beagle and Gaudette are all right-handed.... And it isn't determined yet where Miller will play - whether that's on EP's wing - or whether he takes draws and defensive responsibities on that line to lighten the impact on EP. Regardless, it doesn't really matter much. The thing is - they have a right handed sniper in Boeser for that line - so I'm not sure why it would matter much, if at all. You’re actually counting on “franchise cornerstone” (GMJB-speak) Brandon Sutter to be healthy enough to make a contribution and/or finish the season as a Canuck? Yikes! That’s setting the bar pretty low, bud. And, you really see Gaudette centering the 3rd line next year? You’re sure this is a playoff team if he is? I’m not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Just now, Hutton Wink said: Part of it is there will always be automatic outrage whenever a 1st round pick is moved, but also the timing of the Marleau trade. As a result, a false equivocation has been presumed between two very different situations, same as the false equivocation with the Ottawa acquiring of Duchene. Apparently a "fair" return for Miller would have been Tampa including their first rounder. Or a “Mystery Box”. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said: also it's possible we miss the playoff not coz the team is bad.. it's just other teams are better atm. So you're suggesting we do nothing but draft and wait? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post WeneedLumme Posted June 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2019 1 hour ago, cuporbust said: Miller is a good acquisition. Like everyone in the hockey world is saying , the price is way to high. He was under the gun to show he has the undercarriage to make good deals outside of drafting. He failed. He has yet to show he can take advantage of weak teams . The fact he gave up a 1st and 3rd round pick to a team with zero leverage is pretty amazing actually. The fact that was the best he could do with so many teams up against the cap is hilarious. 1 hour ago, wai_lai416 said: considering the Lightning are in no position of power to negotiate as Miller will have his modified NTC kick in july 1st further reducing tampa bay's ability to trade him.. they were pretty desperate to move him before july 1st.. there was no rush to trade for him and i feel we could have gotten him without the 1st as it gets closer to july 1st.. so in that sense i don't feel this is a trade of value.. it's a good trade in terms of getting a good player.. but it's a horrible trade considering what we gave up to a team that have no leverage due to their cap situation and miller's NTC about to kick in. Ah, I see where the disconnect is between the fans who understand the trade and the posters who feel it is a bad deal. It is the idea that Tampa had no leverage so Vancouver should have been able to get a steal on the trade. This is completely wrong and totally opposite to the actual situation. No leverage would be the situation we had with Kesler, who had demanded a trade and only gave us one trading partner. That is no leverage. Tampa, on the other hand was in the completely opposite situation. They had a commodity (a gritty, durable, versatile 26 year old 6'1 218 lb top 6 forward on an excellent contract, who has averaged 20 goals and 50 points over the last 4 seasons) that probably at least 2 dozen other teams would like to have for the right price. And which some of whom would want badly enough to pay a very steep price. If Tampa was not happy with JB's offer, with a few phone calls Tampa would have a heated bidding war and JB would be on the wrong end of the bidding war, basically on the outside looking wistfully in. Big, gritty, young top 6 forwards are not that easy to come by. The idea that Tampa had no negotiating leverage is completely, unquestionably WRONG. 2 4 2 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pickly Posted June 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Baggins said: So you're suggesting we do nothing but draft and wait? Man that’s what I don’t get about some people. They expect the Canucks to build the entire team from the draft. If that were the case, it’ll be another 4 or 5 years of bottom dwelling because just like Jimbo said not long ago, you win with players age 25-34. The Canucks are still hypothetically a bad team on paper but are trending upwards and are getting to the point now where they need to make strides for the good of the franchise and the fan base. The only way they can improve quicker is via trade and smart FA signings which is risky and takes balls but IMO is worth it for time to time, like today. Two of St Louis’ most valuable playoff performers in ROR and Brayden schenn were acquired via trade and I think the Blues and their fans were happy how that turned out. Edited June 23, 2019 by Pickly 3 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6string Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, Trebreh said: I did some digging around to look for some more recent comparables on what a top 6 forward would cost to acquire. so i came up with the Kane trade to the Sharks... https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/sabres-trade-forward-evander-kane-sharks/ the Sharks gave up a conditional 1st, conditional 4th in 2020 and a prospect/project in Danny O'Reagan. Kevin Hayes trade cost the Jets a 1st a conditional 4th and a decent prospect Brendan Lemieux... https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/winnipeg-jets-acquire-kevin-hayes-new-york-rangers/ We gave up a 1st in 2021, a 3rd and a throw in Mazanec for arguably the better player of the three on a MUCH better contract and cap hit. Kane 7m - Hayes 7m - Miller 5.2m JB is going to look like a genius if he clicks with Petey and Brock and puts up 60 points and all his haters will go on hiding. Great work! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gaudette Celly Posted June 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2019 (edited) FTR, this actually is a case of what many have been calling for -- the Canucks "weaponizing cap space". But instead of taking on expensive junk and magic beans, adding a real weapon. Edited June 23, 2019 by Hutton Wink 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sweathog Posted June 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2019 14 minutes ago, Trebreh said: I did some digging around to look for some more recent comparables on what a top 6 forward would cost to acquire. so i came up with the Kane trade to the Sharks... https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/sabres-trade-forward-evander-kane-sharks/ the Sharks gave up a conditional 1st, conditional 4th in 2020 and a prospect/project in Danny O'Reagan. Kevin Hayes trade cost the Jets a 1st a conditional 4th and a decent prospect Brendan Lemieux... https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/winnipeg-jets-acquire-kevin-hayes-new-york-rangers/ We gave up a 1st in 2021, a 3rd and a throw in Mazanec for arguably the better player of the three on a MUCH better contract and cap hit. Kane 7m - Hayes 7m - Miller 5.2m JB is going to look like a genius if he clicks with Petey and Brock and puts up 60 points and all his haters will go on hiding. This is pretty much checkmate right here. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gaudette Celly Posted June 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2019 15 minutes ago, Trebreh said: I did some digging around to look for some more recent comparables on what a top 6 forward would cost to acquire. so i came up with the Kane trade to the Sharks... https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/sabres-trade-forward-evander-kane-sharks/ the Sharks gave up a conditional 1st, conditional 4th in 2020 and a prospect/project in Danny O'Reagan. Kevin Hayes trade cost the Jets a 1st a conditional 4th and a decent prospect Brendan Lemieux... https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/winnipeg-jets-acquire-kevin-hayes-new-york-rangers/ We gave up a 1st in 2021, a 3rd and a throw in Mazanec for arguably the better player of the three on a MUCH better contract and cap hit. Kane 7m - Hayes 7m - Miller 5.2m JB is going to look like a genius if he clicks with Petey and Brock and puts up 60 points and all his haters will go on hiding. One key difference though -- both Kane and Hayes were rentals, the latter of which was lost for next to nothing after 20 games. Miller locked up for 4 years definitely has more value. 10 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Canucks-12 Posted June 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2019 Canucks are gonna be a fun team to watch next year. 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIC_CITY Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 30 minutes ago, Baggins said: Well if we miss the playoffs next year Tampa has to wait another year for that pick. Next year Tryamkin's KHL contract expires and he can return. Do you like our chances better with him on the back end for the following year? And all of this ignores possible ufa additions, more prospects possibly surprising, and other possible trades that can improve the team even further. I see it as a pretty decent deal considering Tampa has to wait up to two years to get that pick. Tryamkin's agent said his KHL contract expires in April, so we may even see him before the end of the season. He's going to play a key role for us moving forward. That would be huge to have Tryamkin out there watching Podkolzin'a back on and off the ice. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kragar Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 1 hour ago, DarkGhost said: The funny thing is everyone is complaining about giving away a 1st...when the guy we got is exactly who we’d be hoping a guy we drafted would turn into! Lol we are hoping the kid we drafted 10th turns into a 50-60 point player for us. TJ Miller already is that guy. No idea why anyone would be upset about this. Need to have other accounts so I could upvote this more 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 26 minutes ago, Trebreh said: I did some digging around to look for some more recent comparables on what a top 6 forward would cost to acquire. so i came up with the Kane trade to the Sharks... https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/sabres-trade-forward-evander-kane-sharks/ the Sharks gave up a conditional 1st, conditional 4th in 2020 and a prospect/project in Danny O'Reagan. Kevin Hayes trade cost the Jets a 1st a conditional 4th and a decent prospect Brendan Lemieux... https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/winnipeg-jets-acquire-kevin-hayes-new-york-rangers/ We gave up a 1st in 2021, a 3rd and a throw in Mazanec for arguably the better player of the three on a MUCH better contract and cap hit. Kane 7m - Hayes 7m - Miller 5.2m JB is going to look like a genius if he clicks with Petey and Brock and puts up 60 points and all his haters will go on hiding. Very good post my friend. Well researched and presented. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billabong Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 If nothing else the Canucks gotta move some money at forward miller-pettersson-boeser baertschi-horvat-Pearson roussel-sutter-virtanen schaller-beagle-spooner eriksson, gaudette leivo, motte, goldobin and granlund are RFA’s even after the Miller trade they still one more guy to help score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeneedLumme Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Sweathog said: This is pretty much checkmate right here. You would think that, wouldn't you? But the Benning haters "realistic fans" don't feel compelled to deal with facts. Pretty sure they will continue to be selectively blind and manage not to see things like actual comparables. Edited June 23, 2019 by WeneedLumme 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 12 minutes ago, Canucks-12 said: Canucks are gonna be a fun team to watch next year. Younger, faster, bigger, and more skilled. Yeah, all of that. Nicely done, gents. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris12345 Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 23 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said: One key difference though -- both Kane and Hayes were rentals, the latter of which was lost for next to nothing after 20 games. Miller locked up for 4 years definitely has more value. Kane is the better of the three. Go ahead, show me stats to prove me wrong. Kane is still better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester13 Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 21 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said: One key difference though -- both Kane and Hayes were rentals, the latter of which was lost for next to nothing after 20 games. Miller locked up for 4 years definitely has more value. Plus he can play centre or wing and comes without baggage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris12345 Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said: Younger, faster, bigger, and more skilled. Yeah, all of that. Nicely done, gents. way deeper. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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