-AJ- Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 24 minutes ago, Pickly said: Marchand is an effective player. He throws players/teams off their game. Who says the Canucks won’t be a hard team to play against when/if Hoglander makes it here? Marchand's also one slew foot away from a 20-game suspension. His offense is incredibly good, but I don't think the level of his agitation is worth the suspensions and how much he also distracts his own team. It's clear that sometimes even his teammates get frustrated with his antics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Pickly said: Marchand is an effective player. He throws players/teams off their game. Who says the Canucks won’t be a hard team to play against when/if Hoglander makes it here? way waaaay more so as a scorer than a pest though. He’s found that level of walking the line now where he can be effective where as before his coaches were telling him to tone it down. Hog isn’t at that level and I don’t want to see him at the level where the coaches are telling him to stop. To the level of the Bruins? We would need to make the finals at least once with this group and have a whole lot of playoff success before we’re even close to the level that the Bruins are now. Edited January 4, 2020 by Junkyard Dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeneedLumme Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 22 minutes ago, -AJ- said: Marchand's also one slew foot away from a 20-game suspension. His offense is incredibly good, but I don't think the level of his agitation is worth the suspensions and how much he also distracts his own team. It's clear that sometimes even his teammates get frustrated with his antics. True. Fortunately Hogs doesn't seem to be anything like Marchand. Throwing up your elbow a couple of times to protect yourself when you are being hit doesn't come anywhere close to Marchand's level. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WC Exp Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Junkyard Dog said: way waaaay more so as a scorer than a pest though. He’s found that level of walking the line now where he can be effective where as before his coaches were telling him to tone it down. Hog isn’t at that level and I don’t want to see him at the level where the coaches are telling him to stop. To the level of the Bruins? We would need to make the finals at least once with this group and have a whole lot of playoff success before we’re even close to the level that the Bruins are now. It took him 9 years as a pro(1.5 in ahl) before he scored more than a point a game. He was definitely not known as a prolific scorer until the last couple of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert Diesel Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Hoglander was an absolute revelation in this tournament and he's been a blast to watch. So much skill. I'm hoping he will be in Utica on a PTO at the end of this season and potentially makes the big club opening day in September next year, or the subsequent one. I like his feisty nature but there is no doubt the hit today wasn't a clean play. I think we should all admit to ourselves that although we love this player, he made a dumb play that cost his team today. He'll be great in the future for the club but if we can't admit that there was no need for this play, and that it was not merely Hogz defending himself then we are making bad faith arguments; defending a player just because he's one of ours. Let's also avoid terms like snowflakes and making huge generalizations about millennials on this board. That stuff is just not part of this discussion, Let's just argue about hockey and not be petulant towards others opinions. The poster earlier who wanted a 'safe work environment' completely has a point, players need to have respect for each other and it isn't endangering the physical nature of the game despite what the Rock em sock em crowd argues. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post J.I.A.H.N Posted January 5, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 5, 2020 I am going to sound like a homer for a second...... But, I was looking at the TSN U20 video of the Hoglander hit on Denisenko…..I re-ran it multiple times A lot of things happened there, just prior to the hit and during the hit #1. Denisenko had just jumped on the ice when Hoglander came across center ice, after just going around a opposing player #2. Denisenko made a direct line towards Hoglander, to initiate contact #3, Hoglander sees Denisenko and dumps the puck in, 10 ft on the Russian side of center ice,contact happened at 20 ft inside the Russian side #4, Denisenko is still skating directly at Hoglander at that point #5. You can see Hoglander with knees bent shift his body weight having decided to accept the contact which was immanent #6. Denisenko was skating slower than Hoglander, and realized that Hoglander had position on him, and speed #7. Hoglander initiates contact with his elbow down and shoulder up #8. Denisenko stays down, knees bent to brace for impact, with a lower center of gravity #9. Denisenko was looking at Hoglander at all times (no blind side hit) 10. Hoglander contacts Denisenko's shoulder, then immediately after, contacts Denisenko's head 11. The initial contact was on the shoulder (Fact) 12. Elbow was down on initial contact and only moved during follow-through 13. Hoglander is 5'9" and Denisenko is 5'11" 14. The referee makes call immediately, without consultation with other refs Old school thinking, is that Denisenko initiated the contact He choose to close the gap and he choose to stay low And lost...………...too bad! New school thinking is the player that won is at fault and it is irrelevant what part of the body the initial contact was made on Blow whistle immediately "IF" it "LOOKS" bad. You will notice the time it took to make the right call on the Russian hit...much longer and no knee jerk reaction.... OK...I feel better now! Thanks! 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilduce39 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 4 hours ago, 112 said: okay so if a safe work environment isn't important, why do goalies wear masks? just because every one since jacques plante has been a marvel superhero with a double-secret identity of playing ice hockey? they go into the dressing room, sneak out the back dressed up like bums, and have their PR guy come out to handle the media and pretend he was in net while looking nothing like them? for what purpose? like what do the superheroes get from it? or are they villains? I agree Hoglander shouldn’t be a cheap shot artist... nor should he target the head or play with any intent to injure. Ethics and honour aside, nothing about that helps us win. I do think a high skill guy who plays with an edge is a valuable commodity, though. He won’t be afraid when things get tough and some feistiness can drag his teammates into the fight. The key here is that Hog is a high skill kid - he’s not looking to win the game with a hit. He can do that with his skill... but it doesn’t look like he’ll get squeamish in the playoffs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post J-P Posted January 5, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 5, 2020 Hogs has been given the green light by the IIHF to play in the bronze medal game. 1 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiftynifty Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, J-P said: Hogs has been given the green light by the IIHF to play in the bronze medal game. Awesome news. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dats hockey Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 11 minutes ago, J-P said: Hogs has been given the green light by the IIHF to play in the bronze medal game. Good that call was pathetic 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 10 hours ago, janisahockeynut said: I am going to sound like a homer for a second...... But, I was looking at the TSN U20 video of the Hoglander hit on Denisenko…..I re-ran it multiple times A lot of things happened there, just prior to the hit and during the hit #1. Denisenko had just jumped on the ice when Hoglander came across center ice, after just going around a opposing player #2. Denisenko made a direct line towards Hoglander, to initiate contact #3, Hoglander sees Denisenko and dumps the puck in, 10 ft on the Russian side of center ice,contact happened at 20 ft inside the Russian side #4, Denisenko is still skating directly at Hoglander at that point #5. You can see Hoglander with knees bent shift his body weight having decided to accept the contact which was immanent #6. Denisenko was skating slower than Hoglander, and realized that Hoglander had position on him, and speed #7. Hoglander initiates contact with his elbow down and shoulder up #8. Denisenko stays down, knees bent to brace for impact, with a lower center of gravity #9. Denisenko was looking at Hoglander at all times (no blind side hit) 10. Hoglander contacts Denisenko's shoulder, then immediately after, contacts Denisenko's head 11. The initial contact was on the shoulder (Fact) 12. Elbow was down on initial contact and only moved during follow-through 13. Hoglander is 5'9" and Denisenko is 5'11" 14. The referee makes call immediately, without consultation with other refs Old school thinking, is that Denisenko initiated the contact He choose to close the gap and he choose to stay low And lost...………...too bad! New school thinking is the player that won is at fault and it is irrelevant what part of the body the initial contact was made on Blow whistle immediately "IF" it "LOOKS" bad. You will notice the time it took to make the right call on the Russian hit...much longer and no knee jerk reaction.... OK...I feel better now! Thanks! Why wouldn't Hoglander be the target on that play? He is the top scorer in the tourny! The Russian player was not trying to avoid the contact and Hogs did not move towards the Russian. It was a physical play that had a player go down. Last I checked hockey was still a physical game. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinky-Winky Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 28 minutes ago, Boudrias said: Last I checked hockey was still a physical game. not anymore, soon, if u hit another player, u will get a 2min....welcome to the new future nhl 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowerMainLander18 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Is it just me or are the Swedish linemates trying hard not to pass to Hogs this game... Especially that last powerplay, they see Hogs open but rather opt to make a risky pass to a covered guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Cathode Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 On 1/2/2020 at 12:16 PM, Kanukfanatic said: Hoglander does??? I was responding to a comment about Boeser. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Cathode Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 There appears to be a bit of Marchand in him. It might cost him some suspensions, but it might grant him a longer career. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HockeyHarry Posted January 5, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 5, 2020 People that are too politically correct are the reason Trump got elected. People are sick of hearing it so they voted against it. The Politically correctness is too much, lighten up people. Hogs is a Gem, he’s Not a dirty player if anything he’s got a Napoleon syndrome with a high competition level. i do agree with.... if Hog does a big hit do the Canucks have the Toughness to absorb the push back? I’m not sure... Tryamkin presents helps. Anyways I’m excited and glad Hog is a future Canucks and I hope he continues his style of play and doesn’t tone it down. 1 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Gaudette Celly Posted January 5, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Ray_Cathode said: There appears to be a bit of Marchand in him. It might cost him some suspensions, but it might grant him a longer career. Based on what? There is NOTHING in him like Marchand, who intentionally seeks to injure other players while also embellishing and faking injury. In short, he disrespects other players and the game itself. Hoglander from all I've seen is much more like Bure -- a smaller skilled guy who will not only play physically but won't take any crap from others who try to take advantage of them. Where are the intentional cheap shots, the slewfoots, the intents to injure, the embellishment, the faking of injury? 2 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyHarry Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) Here’s an interesting vintage Bure. The first bit shows what happens on smaller players.....and then shows how Bure stopped it from happening in the future. Hog is saying does mess with him from the start.....so player won’t bully him. yes Bure hit was super dirty....but players gave him instant respect after and never tried too bully him again. so as Canucks we can expect nobody will bully our Hog. He has it controlled. Edited January 5, 2020 by HockeyHarry 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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