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6 hours ago, Fred65 said:

Could be, I watched live and maybe you watched on TV. The TV shots rarely pan backwards to see who's busting it back checking or hanging back for a breakaway. As a rule the TV follows the play/puck. I know what I saw, some time Virtanen wasn't even pushing on his back check, gliding

The fact I watch on TV should reinforce my case. If the attacking team is pushing the puck, I shouldn't be able to see Jake back checking. Since it would not show him. If what you said about him were true. Lol. Jake can catch pretty much everyone in the league in a foot race, he knows it. It's literally the one part of his defensive game I know is among the best on the team, especially when fully engaged in the game. I will die on this hill.

 

Edit: Regardless, eye liek dis guy Hawglandur

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14 hours ago, WeneedLumme said:

He really does. The funniest one I saw was when he claimed that if the Canucks had the kind of direct contact with one of their NCAA players that they stated they had, it was jeopardizing the player's right to play in the NCAA.

 

Then to support his case he quoted a section of the NCAA rules, which, to anybody who actually read what he quoted, stated very clearly the opposite: That all contact between the amateur players and the NHL team must be direct, and not through an agent or advisor.

Yeah, I followed that one laughing all the way. He clearly understands hockey but I don't think he actually watches much. He claims that you can't see back checking on tv. :picard: He strikes me as one of those old crusty dudes that form opinions out of thin air or a one off and then toots his own horn without any actual foundation moving forward. He probably watched live 2 or 3 times and then spends time bashing the team online but for some reason can't find the time to watch the rest of the games when those of us that have clearly see the opposite of what this flake is trumpeting. Super fishy troll guy. :frantic: lol

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19 hours ago, WeneedLumme said:

He really does. The funniest one I saw was when he claimed that if the Canucks had the kind of direct contact with one of their NCAA players that they stated they had, it was jeopardizing the player's right to play in the NCAA.

 

Then to support his case he quoted a section of the NCAA rules, which, to anybody who actually read what he quoted, stated very clearly the opposite: That all contact between the amateur players and the NHL team must be direct, and not through an agent or advisor.

Heck I'm not infallible by any means. I offer my opinion, hey just like you :rolleyes: But I have sat down in team meetings in US universities and been told who and when and why I cannot speak to. I've seen the manual the NCAA coaches need to study and even though it's an open book exam you still need to know where to look :lol: I take them at their word. I'm not bragging or any thing but I've managed to get more than a few players full scholarships and never been penalized either. I can add that I declined to study/sit the exam myself just the looks put me off. I'd say it's 5" thick   ( 12+ cms for the new age )

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On 6/26/2020 at 6:32 PM, Pete M said:

They should get Scott Niedermayer as "D" coach...or Willie Mitchell

Great NHL players don't always make great coaches, just ask Gretzky. With that said, I think Mitchell might make a decent coach, but he doesn't seem to have any resume here on any sort of professional level, so tough to assume he could jump to the top level suddenly.

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On 6/11/2020 at 11:56 AM, theo5789 said:

Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting that he takes it out of his game. By harness, I mean at least knowing when to not cross that line because you're more important on the ice than off of it. Sweden was in a prime position to potentially win the WJC, but he took himself out and he was part of a dominant line on the team.

 

If you do care to see:

 

 

If a guy was charging at him, then I get it. But Denisenko didn't look to be doing so. He could've easily shoved him down rather than put his elbow up (and it had to be way up for his height). I'm fine with a bit of nasty, but like I said, once he was out, they were much easier of a team to neutralize. If it was the regular season, then it would be more of a statement to not mess with him which I would be much more okay with.

TBH Denisenko went down easier than a bowling ball thrown off the CN tower.  Should have been a 2 minute penalty without the dive, which is acceptable.  Those clowns were flopping all tournament long, and the refs were falling for it every time.  The coaches should have warned the guys not to give the Russians an opportunity to draw a major penalty by faking an injury.

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3 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

TBH Denisenko went down easier than a bowling ball thrown off the CN tower.  Should have been a 2 minute penalty without the dive, which is acceptable.

If Hoglander bodies him rather gets his elbows up, then it's a clean play that still likely knocks him over. It doesn't look like Denisenko was engaging to hit him and his attempt at avoidance is what would shift his balance to be easy to knock down. I disagree that it was a dive, but he may have sold the severity of the hit.

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2 minutes ago, theo5789 said:

If Hoglander bodies him rather gets his elbows up, then it's a clean play that still likely knocks him over. It doesn't look like Denisenko was engaging to hit him and his attempt at avoidance is what would shift his balance to be easy to knock down. I disagree that it was a dive, but he may have sold the severity of the hit.

Fair.  He probably goes down regardless but he was absolutely faking any kind of injury.  He came back from the dressing room way too quickly for any kind of concussion protocol to be administered, which would have been necessary if he wasn't embellishing the whole thing.  It looked way obvious of a sell job from ice level.

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3 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

Fair.  He probably goes down regardless but he was absolutely faking any kind of injury.  He came back from the dressing room way too quickly for any kind of concussion protocol to be administered, which would have been necessary if he wasn't embellishing the whole thing.  It looked way obvious of a sell job from ice level.

He does get connected on the head though (although not principle point of contact), but I agree that he may have sold any injury he had. 

That doesn't take away that Hoglander should've been smarter and not taken himself out of an important game like that.

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There was a TSN article today focused on the highly touted prospects out of Sweden over the past couple years.  The title has Broberg in it but most of the love goes to our own Hogs!  Unfortunately I can't figure out how to transfer the article here... So not technologically inclined!  

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On 6/23/2020 at 11:40 AM, Fred65 said:

I tend to think you're right about defensive schemes. I understand that Green wants the D to jump in and it certainly provides more entertainment ( some times good some times not so much) but IMO the first move that needs to be made is to limit this "jumping into the attack to certain D'men. You can't let the likes of Benn and Fatenburg or Tanev to jump up because  they don't have the wheels to get back and prevent an out numbered counter attack. Plus of course we need more emphasis for forwards to retreat better. One of the things I don't always like about Virtanen is his occasional slow back check ( as a rule the TV rarely shows the back checkers )

I think it's more about some of the forwards not coming back, making it harder for the D to transition. I saw so many goals scored on us because our D gets hemmed in with no obvious outlet.

I think our top 4 is fine, but our 5-7th is what really drags our D down. Elder has been basically a 45+ player while being one of our better D 5 on 5.

I think our left side will be a strength but after Woo I don't see anyone on the right side with a chance to be a top-pairing D. I think Rafferty is more of a bottom pairing, 6 or 7th.

Thankfully, with our depth at wing, we should be able to acquire an RHD or add one in UFA as our cap space increases after next summer when we only have Myers on the books

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56 minutes ago, Mackcanuck said:

 

Very interesting! I was wondering how that was all going to work with the late season etc. Sounds like this plan is the best of both worlds, so that's exciting!

 

And if he doesn't make the cut, he could be loaned back (likely) or initially sent to the AHL as well with us getting a good look at him and him getting a good look at where he needs to be to make it the following year.

 

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2 hours ago, Mackcanuck said:

 

Well that dramatically increases his chance of at least making the club for a few games.

 

He will be in mid season form against guys who will be coming off a several month long break.  He “should” tear it up in training camp and exhibition games with that leg up.

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On 7/24/2020 at 8:07 PM, Alienhuggyflow said:

I think it's more about some of the forwards not coming back, making it harder for the D to transition. I saw so many goals scored on us because our D gets hemmed in with no obvious outlet.

I think our top 4 is fine, but our 5-7th is what really drags our D down. Elder has been basically a 45+ player while being one of our better D 5 on 5.

I think our left side will be a strength but after Woo I don't see anyone on the right side with a chance to be a top-pairing D. I think Rafferty is more of a bottom pairing, 6 or 7th.

Thankfully, with our depth at wing, we should be able to acquire an RHD or add one in UFA as our cap space increases after next summer when we only have Myers on the books

I think people forget that Hughes plays both sides and he mentioned his shot was better on the right side. On the main topic, glad to hear Hoglander has an out clause to join Canucks training camp!

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9 hours ago, AK_19 said:

I think people forget that Hughes plays both sides and he mentioned his shot was better on the right side. On the main topic, glad to hear Hoglander has an out clause to join Canucks training camp!

Be nice if Juolevi actually reaches his potential as a solid #2/3.

 

In a few years, something like:

 

Juolevi, Hughes

Rathbone, Woo/trade

Edler, trade/Woo

 

I'd be ok with that :)

 

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1 hour ago, aGENT said:

Be nice if Juolevi actually reaches his potential as a solid #2/3.

 

In a few years, something like:

 

Juolevi, Hughes

Rathbone, Woo/trade

Edler, trade/Woo

 

I'd be ok with that :)

 

Myers will be with us for awhile. I'm expecting:

 

Rathbone Hughes

Joulevi Myers

Edler Rafferty

 

Woo

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6 minutes ago, AK_19 said:

Myers will be with us for awhile. I'm expecting:

 

Rathbone Hughes

Joulevi Myers

Edler Rafferty

 

Woo

Maybe.

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