ilduce39 Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said: More Ferraro and the Media Muppets. Can't understand what the Canucks are doing, Canucks need to "unload" Beagle's contract, equating the Marleau and Miller trades, Canucks have no prospect depth. It's like listening to the average fan talk around a water cooler, whereas these guys are not only supposed to have knowledge but enough resources to have some depth of insight and analysis. Yuck. I’ve never had a lot of time for Ferraro’s “input” - I’ve never found a single thing he’s said to be particularly insightful for illuminating in any way. It’s also sad how the Vancouver radio guys fluff him up like he’d be the next great GM. (I know these aren’t Vancouver radio guys - which is why they jump to defend pairing Marleau with a first so they can sign Kapanen and the other guy.) Edited June 29, 2019 by ilduce39 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfgang Durst Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) 59 minutes ago, ilduce39 said: That article was the saddest bit of “analysis” I’ve ever read. The fact with Myers is that over his career he’s always on the ice for more goals for than against 5v5 and has (overall) pretty even Corsi. He’s also, usually, getting pretty even done starts. Last year he was negative Corsi but still positive for goals for and against. As a team, the jets were a negative Corsi group and negative goals and goals against 5v5... so Myers actually tilted the ice in their favour if you’re counting goals, which he always seems to do. That he slotted in behind Byfuglien and Trouba (two bonafide “number ones”) is hardly a knock on the guy. Those guys are studs. I don't think he should be paid like a “number one” and at his age the contract length is worth thinking about... but to say he’s worth 4.5 when by all accounts he’s earning his 5.5 he makes already is just silly. If we nab him for anything in the 5-6 million mark for 5 or less years we should be pretty happy with that. We’ll see what he signs for (if he signs with us) but to assume the guy should take a hair cut on his contract when he’s been pretty consistent / solid defender is just classic anti-Benning fear mongering. He’s going to sign for 8 mil! He’s only worth 4! He’s a third pairing guy! Camman. - The truth is: Yes, he is a third pairing guy. He actually played 3rd pair for the last 3 years - see the tweet below. - The truth is: he was not only slotted in behind Byfuglien & Trouba, but also behind: Morissey + Chiarot + Beauliau I suggest you go on twitter and read the twitter post below in full. Once you have done this you have a much better idea of Myers stats and deployment over the last 3 y. Edited June 29, 2019 by Wolfgang Durst 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreFan1 Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 8 hours ago, oldnews said: can you name those three players, left to right please? If you think that's bad, I have some Taylor Hall / Edmonton Oilers for you. That was in 2013. Myer's sophomore year. Myers was in front, I wanna say Tallinder was his partner that year. I don't remember who the forward was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfgang Durst Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) Benning said, we want to add a top - 4 D-Man in the video below. Let's assume they sign Myers in free agency. Myers played on the 3rd pairing for the last 3 years with the Jets. Oh, wait, in the canucks world he is a top 4 guy. Edited June 29, 2019 by Wolfgang Durst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilduce39 Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 8 minutes ago, Wolfgang Durst said: - The truth is: Yes, he is a third pairing guy. He actually played 3rd pair for the last 3 years - see the tweet below. - The truth is: he was not only slotted in behing Byfuglien & Trouba, but also behind: Morissey + Chiarot + Beauliau I suggest you go on twitter and read the twitter post below in full. Once you have done this you have a much better idea of Myers stats and deployment over the last 3 y. Did you read his analysis? He could be a good 2RD with a decent partner (Hughes.) Imagine Hughes wheeling up the ice with a big shot to feed. Or getting help clearing the crease. Sounds good to me. That’s exactly what we’re trying to sign. Like the guy (and I) said, not being as good as Trouba or Byfuglien isn’t a crime. He’s not “behind” the left handed d men. That’s just how the pairings break down. The 30% CTOI against top opposition seems to me that he’s pulling his weight. Top pairings are “high 30s” then Myers at 30 is pulling his weight, no? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilduce39 Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 8 minutes ago, Wolfgang Durst said: Benning said, we want to add a top - 4 D-Man in the video below. Let's assume they sign Myers in free agency. Myers played on the 3rd pairing for the last 3 years with the Jets. Oh, wait, in the canucks world he is a top 4 guy. Your own source called him a 2nd pairing guy and admitted his deployment in Winnipeg behind Trouba / Buff was like a 4/5. Behind two bonafide #1 all/stars. Come on. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gaudette Celly Posted June 29, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 29, 2019 How many 3rd pairing defencemen average over 22 minutes for their career, and have never had under 20 in a season? He was also 4th in ice-time for the Jets last season. Just because one plays on the 3rd pairing doesn't mean he's the #5 or 6 on the depth chart. Same rationale is used to call Sutter a "4th line center", when he actually gets top-6 TOI. 1 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KKnight Posted June 29, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hutton Wink said: More Ferraro and the Media Muppets. Can't understand what the Canucks are doing, Canucks need to "unload" Beagle's contract, equating the Marleau and Miller trades, Canucks have no prospect depth. It's like listening to the average fan talk around a water cooler, whereas these guys are not only supposed to have knowledge but enough resources to have some depth of insight and analysis. We have no prospects in his eyes. I would say what we have in prospects are top 5 in the league. Not counting players playing in the nhl. Podkolzin Tryamkin Juolevi (who will be a top 4 dman at min) Dipietro Woo Lind MacEwen Gadjovich Lockwood Hoglander Madden Rafferty (who I think is going to be a surprise) I hate how these guys paint Benning as an idiot all the time. Dubas makes a move and is painted a hero. Benning makes a move and is castrated for it. Benning has built up the best group of young prospects we have seen since probably the early 90's, give the man some props. Edited June 29, 2019 by KKnight 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EP Phone Home Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hutton Wink said: More Ferraro and the Media Muppets. Can't understand what the Canucks are doing, Canucks need to "unload" Beagle's contract, equating the Marleau and Miller trades, Canucks have no prospect depth. It's like listening to the average fan talk around a water cooler, whereas these guys are not only supposed to have knowledge but enough resources to have some depth of insight and analysis. Bryan Hayes knows nothing about Jim Bennings tenure in Vancouver. He said 5 years the team has never made the playoffs WRONG! They made the playoffs in their first year when Benning was GM. Either you know your $€!+ and say it or if you don’t know it, then say nothing of the matter. Because these “hockey guys” are misinforming other hockey fans and that’s wrong and stupid. Media should have some sort of repercussions when they say false facts like that. Otherwise shut the F up. These guys are getting paid to inform us, not misinform us. Edited June 29, 2019 by EP Phone Home 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KKnight Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 20 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said: How many 3rd pairing defencemen average over 22 minutes for their career, and have never had under 20 in a season? He was also 4th in ice-time for the Jets last season. Just because one plays on the 3rd pairing doesn't mean he's the #5 or 6 on the depth chart. Same rationale is used to call Sutter a "4th line center", when he actually gets top-6 TOI. People like to think they could do a better job. I think Myers is going to take a discount to come here and even if it takes 6 million over 5-6 years. It's not as bad, because the cap is going to go up again, once expansion is done. More revenue, more cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 9 minutes ago, EP Phone Home said: Bryan Hayes knows nothing about Jim Bennings tenure in Vancouver. He said 5 years the team has never made the playoffs WRONG! They made the playoffs in their first year when Benning was GM. Either you know your $€!+ and say it or if you don’t know it, then say nothing of the matter. Because these “hockey guys” are misinforming other hockey fans and that’s wrong and stupid. Media should have some sort of repercussions when they say false facts like that. Otherwise shut the F up. These guys are getting paid to inform us, not misinform us. Meh, what's a little embellishment when maintaining a narrative. Most fans won't know the difference, especially the ones here that love grey clouds and feed off negativity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Silver Ghost Posted June 29, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) Toronto media is simply a propoganda machine for the Leafs, we all know that. Just think of the last time you heard them actually dislike any move the Leafs make. Thats right, never. Paying a 1st round pick to dump Marleau would have been seen as a brutal move by Vancouver if they had been in the exact same situation. The Miller trade is nothing like the Marleau trade. Guys like Ferraro must have missed the announcement of Callahan magically being allowed long term medical retirement with no cap cost just days before the Miller trade. That move allowed Tampa to trade an asset for a return rather than simply having to dump cap like the Marleau deal. If I as an average fan know this, why do guys like Ray Ferraro and the Toronto talking heads not know it too? The reality is they do but it ruins their pro-Leafs narrative so they ignore it. Its irresponsible propoganda style reporting. Edited June 29, 2019 by Silver Ghost 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EP Phone Home Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said: Meh, what's a little embellishment when maintaining a narrative. Most fans won't know the difference, especially the ones here that love grey clouds and feed off negativity. While you are right that most fans in that market won’t know the difference, little embellishment or not it’s not the truth. Hence shouldn’t have been said. I know politicians and the like lie through their teeth but it’s disappointing that people are paid by giving out false information and have no consequences to it. Doesn’t make Benning look good to say he’s never made the playoffs ever in his tenure when in actual fact he has. That’s all I’m saying, if you don’t know your stuff then keep your mouth shut Hayes. Edited June 29, 2019 by EP Phone Home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobayashi Maru Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 54 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said: How many 3rd pairing defencemen average over 22 minutes for their career, and have never had under 20 in a season? He was also 4th in ice-time for the Jets last season. Just because one plays on the 3rd pairing doesn't mean he's the #5 or 6 on the depth chart. Same rationale is used to call Sutter a "4th line center", when he actually gets top-6 TOI. Exactly this. His career is between 20-22 mins per game. That is nearly top pairing ice time. He is behind big buff and Trouba of course because they are better, but they obviously had a more D balance in their games. He is a top 4 no question and it’s bizarre that some don’t see that. So many people are grasping at straws to try and bring him down rather than actually look at how good he is. He is exactly what we need in our D. ”But his underlying numbers on Thursday’s when there is a 60% chance of rain shows he only get 1 shot per game.....” I think people are reaching. He makes our D better and the contract will be fine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post oldnews Posted June 29, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Wolfgang Durst said: - The truth is: Yes, he is a third pairing guy. He actually played 3rd pair for the last 3 years - see the tweet below. - The truth is: he was not only slotted in behind Byfuglien & Trouba, but also behind: Morissey + Chiarot + Beauliau I suggest you go on twitter and read the twitter post below in full. Once you have done this you have a much better idea of Myers stats and deployment over the last 3 y. I suggest you spend less time on twitter. This first bolded part suggests either you, or the twitterers you listen to have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. What you/your twitter sources don't seem to understand is that three of the Jets "top 4" defensemen were right handed D - simple as that. Their right side - was considerably stronger/deeper than their left side. The Jets weakness was behind Morrissey - Kulikov injuries, Chiarot being a solid 3 - but in the absence of anyone, placeholding Beaulieu, Morrow types - players the Jets did not even qualify. The resulting confusion amongst people that don't really understand how depth charts work - is to mistake a player like Beaulieu for being "slotted in ahead of Myers" on the simple and reductive basis of how Maurice elected to form his pairings. Believing that makes Myers a '3rd pairing D' is based in ignorance. In other words, please stop - this is twitter 'analysizzz' - not worth repeating. Edited June 29, 2019 by oldnews 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 Tyler Myers would be #2 on the Leaves right now. He'd be first pairing with Rielly. He is easily a top 4 Dman in this league. 3rd pairing guys don't average 22 minutes a night and get 35 points a year. Hughes Myers would look real good next year. Would take a load off of Edler Tanev and decrease their minutes accordingly. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Elias Pettersson said: Tyler Myers would be #2 on the Leaves right now. He'd be first pairing with Rielly. He is easily a top 4 Dman in this league. 3rd pairing guys don't average 22 minutes a night and get 35 points a year. Hughes Myers would look real good next year. Would take a load off of Edler Tanev and decrease their minutes accordingly. I'd go Edler Myers Hughes Tanev UFA stretcher Tanev is not durable enough for those mins, imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KKnight Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, stawns said: I'd go Edler Myers Hughes Tanev UFA stretcher Tanev is not durable enough for those mins, imo Not perfect, but definitely improved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Wolfgang Durst said: - The truth is: Yes, he is a third pairing guy. He actually played 3rd pair for the last 3 years - see the tweet below. - The truth is: he was not only slotted in behind Byfuglien & Trouba, but also behind: Morissey + Chiarot + Beauliau I suggest you go on twitter and read the twitter post below in full. Once you have done this you have a much better idea of Myers stats and deployment over the last 3 y. Beaulieu is so good he played zero playoff games this year and the Jets didn't even bother to qualify him, so basically they are letting him walk for nothing at 26 years old. But he is better than Tyler Myers... Edited June 29, 2019 by Elias Pettersson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 6 minutes ago, stawns said: I'd go Edler Myers Hughes Tanev UFA stretcher Tanev is not durable enough for those mins, imo I think you are right, they may split it up that way. Who knows Tanev may be the next to go as well. It will be an interesting summer. I hope the Canucks don't plan on stretching out Stecher, I know he's kinda small but it could affect his skating... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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