IBatch Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 (edited) On 6/28/2019 at 2:03 PM, Bure_Pavel said: If there no D available then you take BPA and use young assets to make trades. 2020 draft is being touted as the best draft since 2003 or 2015 the top three picks could have probably gone first overall this year and its very deep. Horvat is our oldest core player and will likely be 28-32 when we have our best chance at a championship That said is it really as good as they are saying it will be? We had a run of amazing drafts from McDavid - AM - Dahlin with EPs draft like the recent one being a little more ho humm. Lafrenniere isn’t really as hyped (yet) as those three guys were, even Hughes got a pretty good chunk of praise the last two years. Im not saying it won’t be a very good draft, because it’s already shaping up to be, but aside from a few guys near the top not much is been talked about it other then it’s going to a good one. Time will tell I guess, our chances of making the playoffs without Miller would be 50/50, likely a modest improvement to around picking 13. Still a lottery ticket no doubt but almost definitely picking left overs. Adding Myers and Miller and a full years of Hughes and maybe Bear completely changes things. Two guys bumped off the left side, and one the right. Miller with EP could ignite things for them, or at the very least share the burden a lot better then Goldobin and chumps. I’d say the odds are closer to 80/20 now, making the playoffs and that once in you never know. Rousell and Beagles value go way up come playoff time too, which means Benning could either keep them for the run, or trade them at the deadline is it’s the right move for extra picks in this “great” draft. Edited June 30, 2019 by IBatch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_Pavel Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 On 6/30/2019 at 8:54 AM, IBatch said: That said is it really as good as they are saying it will be? We had a run of amazing drafts from McDavid - AM - Dahlin with EPs draft like the recent one being a little more ho humm. Lafrenniere isn’t really as hyped (yet) as those three guys were, even Hughes got a pretty good chunk of praise the last two years. Im not saying it won’t be a very good draft, because it’s already shaping up to be, but aside from a few guys near the top not much is been talked about it other then it’s going to a good one. Time will tell I guess, our chances of making the playoffs without Miller would be 50/50, likely a modest improvement to around picking 13. Still a lottery ticket no doubt but almost definitely picking left overs. Adding Myers and Miller and a full years of Hughes and maybe Bear completely changes things. Two guys bumped off the left side, and one the right. Miller with EP could ignite things for them, or at the very least share the burden a lot better then Goldobin and chumps. I’d say the odds are closer to 80/20 now, making the playoffs and that once in you never know. Rousell and Beagles value go way up come playoff time too, which means Benning could either keep them for the run, or trade them at the deadline is it’s the right move for extra picks in this “great” draft. Lafrenniere is probably more hyped than the guys mentioned not including McDavid, he has been compared to Crosby since he was 16 and Wayne Gretzky recently had very high praise of him says he reminds him of Gilbert Perreault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said: Lafrenniere is probably more hyped than the guys mentioned not including McDavid, he has been compared to Crosby since he was 16 and Wayne Gretzky recently had very high praise of him says he reminds him of Gilbert Perreault. Watching Lafrenniere play and he’s definitely not Crosby, Gretzky, or (absolutely not) Perreault. Lafrennier is more of a support player power forward. He’s a very good player, but not a superstar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_Pavel Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 1 minute ago, Alflives said: Watching Lafrenniere play and he’s definitely not Crosby, Gretzky, or (absolutely not) Perreault. Lafrennier is more of a support player power forward. He’s a very good player, but not a superstar. Completely disagree, not a support player at all. He scored over 40 goals as a 16 year old in the Q. He will almost certainly be a superstar in the NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 Just now, Bure_Pavel said: Completely disagree, not a support player at all. He scored over 40 goals as a 16 year old in the Q. He will almost certainly be a superstar in the NHL. He’s a power forward, and has matured physically young. Yes, he will be a very good NHL player, but he’s not going to be any better than Podkolzin. He’s a support player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_Pavel Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, Alflives said: He’s a power forward, and has matured physically young. Yes, he will be a very good NHL player, but he’s not going to be any better than Podkolzin. He’s a support player. Not sure you have seen him play. Gonna side with Gretzky on this one, as he probably knows more about hockey than us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 1 minute ago, Bure_Pavel said: Not sure you have seen him play. Gonna side with Gretzky on this one, as he probably knows more about hockey than us. Gretzky has forgotten more about hockey than any of us will ever know. With that I totally agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 3 hours ago, Alflives said: Gretzky has forgotten more about hockey than any of us will ever know. With that I totally agree. What Gretzky has forgotten about hockey is more then the entire universe of all the best including Orr have ever known. He’s the best and most dominant player in the history of all professional sports combined. When he looks at a team play whomever he looks at plays better, and when he speaks everyone takes notice because, well he is godlike. Just happy he compared himself to EP. Now EP has the mana and karma and blessings of the Great One and has permission to proceed to decimate his records. Especially when WG watches him play, as when he does some of his laser energy enters EP and he can do his stuff. All five point games WG watched. Ok that was fun. Man it it would be amazing to have a guy like him play again. Five steps ahead of everyone and the tools to score goals or make a pass from anywhere with anyone. Even when he was older and fading he was still a top player in the league. Would be like the Sedins scoring 150 points in the dead puck era before they could grow facial hair...instead they weren’t even sure they could make it in this league. Gretzky just was on another plane. The Lafreniere hype isn’t going to end up well for him or the guys that think he’s the next Crosby etc. Crosby scores 100 points as a rookie. He’s the last to do it with Ovi, and he’s not going to do that. He will help a team no doubt, but when’s the last time a winger was that good? Bure .... and before that Selanne. Heck he might not even best Boesers rookie year although undoubtedly he will get the chance right away and L wing is a hard possition to dominate in. Näslund has three first line L wing selections... not an easy thing to do despite the lack of them historically killing it. For example J.T. Miller stats as half the time as a third liner would make him the 23 best in scoring last year as a LW. That adds some value ... but Lafreniere is not a center. The next draft is overhyped. He’s not going to be the next Ovi. A good player for sure though. I follow what’s coming up all the time, it’s a hobby i suppose. I don’t think next draft is going to be as dominant as the consensus of the CDC thinks right now. Some good players for sure, but it won’t even beat our some recent drafts let alone be the next big one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 Gretzky was a dominant player, and a horrible coach . In a draft where Gretzky, Mario and Bobby are available I go Orr Mario Wayne yvmv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 On 6/28/2019 at 7:03 AM, appleboy said: Jim Benning has never done this . You do know that every key player he has traded for was a draft pick too....many (most) first round picks at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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