[Proposal] Boeser for Marner

[Statman]

This only happens if there is no way TO can afford Marner.  I love Brock but there is no doubt Marner is a better player and you have to question Brock’s back.  Star for star.

[-AJ-]

I love Boeser, but Dubas would be out to lunch to do that trade straight up. They will make room for Marner, no matter what it takes.

[6string]

                                                         

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[khay]

Interesting. We probably will have to add a bit to make it work. If Toronto just can't fit Marner and his 11 mil cap, then they would think about it if we gave them a fair offer.

 

Brock is currently worth about 7-8 mil, well until he scores 40 goals, which could be as early as next season in which case he would enter 9-10 mil range.

 

From the Leafs' perspective, if they sign Brock to 7.5 for 6+ years and if he goes on to score 40+ beside Tavares (worse players have scored 30-40 goals besides Tavares), then he could easily become the bargain of the NHL. But on the flip side, Canucks would be missing out on such bargain if Brock does go on to score 40+ consistently.

 

From the Canucks' perspective, they add a top 5 left winger in Marner to play with EP. Add JT Miller to the mix and we have a bonafide first line. Marner is not coming in at discount so we may face the similar cap problems that Toronto is having when the time comes to sign EP and Hughes. Especially if EP puts up 90+ points, then it will be hard to sign him for anything less than what Marner gets. Similarly, if Hughes becomes a 60+ point defenceman, he will ask for 9+.

 

Personally, I would like to keep Boeser at around 7 mil for 6-7 years and bet that he becomes 40+ goal scorer . This way, we can keep a healthy cap structure. Assuming we manage to sign EP to around 9 mil, we will have a pretty decent salary cap structure for our top 4 forwards moving forward:

EP 9 

Boeser 7

Bo 5.5

Miller 5.25

26.75 mil.

Add Podkolzin on ELC and say Perason becomes 20 goal scorer, we will have a balanced top 6 only at around 31-33 mil:

 

Miller-EP-Boeser: 21

Pearson-Horvat-Podkolzin: 10.5 (4 + 5.5 + 1 + bonus) 

 

31.5-33 mil (depending on Podkolzin performance bonus).

 

This in contrast to Toronto team that has poor structure: 

 

Matthews 11.6

Tavares 11

Marner 11

Nylander 7

40.6 mil.

 

If Pearson isn't re-signed and if there is a 9 mil UFA or someone like Mark Stone available in a trade, then we can sign such a player and still be paying less money for 6 forwards then Toronto does for 4 players. For example,

 

Miller-EP-Boeser: 21

Podkolzin-Horvat-Stone: 16+bonus (1+ bonus + 5.5 + 9.5)

37-39 M depending on bonus for Podkolzin.

 

 

Edited July 4, 2019 by khay

[Phat Fingers]

Not an bad idea.  Chemistry is a big deal and Marner Bo and OJ all came out of the same system.  Marner is the better player, Brock is the more economically sound player.  

 

I would not add at all, straight up.  We could do a sign and trade.  

 

It is a time to look at Laine, Marner, Aho and see what's there.  Brock is in the same league, but to teams right against the cap, he could be a better fit.  

 

For the record I don't want to trade Brock.  I see him as a 40g guy in his prime.  But I could say the same about Marner, Laine and Aho.  

 

Trade for Laine.and then add Poolparty somehow and reunite the Finnish WJC team.  

 

Edited July 4, 2019 by Phat Fingers

[Fanuck]

6 hours ago, Statman said:

This only happens if there is no way TO can afford Marner.

Correction - this only happens on CDC.

[Phat Fingers]

8 hours ago, khay said:

Interesting. We probably will have to add a bit to make it work. If Toronto just can't fit Marner and his 11 mil cap, then they would think about it if we gave them a fair offer.

 

Brock is currently worth about 7-8 mil, well until he scores 40 goals, which could be as early as next season in which case he would enter 9-10 mil range.

 

From the Leafs' perspective, if they sign Brock to 7.5 for 6+ years and if he goes on to score 40+ beside Tavares (worse players have scored 30-40 goals besides Tavares), then he could easily become the bargain of the NHL. But on the flip side, Canucks would be missing out on such bargain if Brock does go on to score 40+ consistently.

 

From the Canucks' perspective, they add a top 5 left winger in Marner to play with EP. Add JT Miller to the mix and we have a bonafide first line. Marner is not coming in at discount so we may face the similar cap problems that Toronto is having when the time comes to sign EP and Hughes. Especially if EP puts up 90+ points, then it will be hard to sign him for anything less than what Marner gets. Similarly, if Hughes becomes a 60+ point defenceman, he will ask for 9+.

 

Personally, I would like to keep Boeser at around 7 mil for 6-7 years and bet that he becomes 40+ goal scorer . This way, we can keep a healthy cap structure. Assuming we manage to sign EP to around 9 mil, we will have a pretty decent salary cap structure for our top 4 forwards moving forward:

EP 9 

Boeser 7

Bo 5.5

Miller 5.25

26.75 mil.

Add Podkolzin on ELC and say Perason becomes 20 goal scorer, we will have a balanced top 6 only at around 31-33 mil:

 

Miller-EP-Boeser: 21

Pearson-Horvat-Podkolzin: 10.5 (4 + 5.5 + 1 + bonus) 

 

31.5-33 mil (depending on Podkolzin performance bonus).

 

This in contrast to Toronto team that has poor structure: 

 

Matthews 11.6

Tavares 11

Marner 11

Nylander 7

40.6 mil.

 

If Pearson isn't re-signed and if there is a 9 mil UFA or someone like Mark Stone available in a trade, then we can sign such a player and still be paying less money for 6 forwards then Toronto does for 4 players. For example,

 

Miller-EP-Boeser: 21

Podkolzin-Horvat-Stone: 16+bonus (1+ bonus + 5.5 + 9.5)

37-39 M depending on bonus for Podkolzin.

 

 

Khay,

 

Good assessment.  One thing, I dont see Marner pushing us into cap trouble.  Marner, Nylander, Taveres and Mathews would.  

 

 

We are adding Ep40, Hughes etc. Gradually.  As we face expiring ELC's as we have expiring contracts with veterans.  Added to that we also have a decent pipeline of new ELC's coming on line in all positions that can off set those expiring veteran contracts.  

 

Provided we continue to add forcastable prospects to our system every second draft moving forward we should be able to keep the pipeline open.  

 

We have the GM to find the prospects, let's see if he has finally figured out how to make trades and sign free agents.