lethal_spaghetti Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 These athletes have to do whats best for them and if they think they aren't being valued by the team at fair value why sign with them? As we are learning more and more in pro sports its all a business teams are showing less and less loyalty to players so when a player tries to do whats best for them we should support them no? It's tough for both sides but everyone is just trying to do whats best and I'm sure in BB case this will be resolved there doesn't seem to be as much hostility as other situations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 As long as Brock doesn't hold out and not show up for camp and signs a deal I am fine with that. If it leads to him missing some or all of training camp due to holding out over his next contract I wont be impressed. He seems to have great character and class but it would be a mistake for him to miss any time to gel with his new winger and mesh all that much more with Pistol Pete Now that September has hit I think the week leading up to camp opening contract talks will intensify Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 Well, it's September. I am starting to edge myself towards the sky is falling territory with Boeser. Lets go ahead and get this deal done. No distractions going into the season please and thank you. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 1 hour ago, lethal_spaghetti said: These athletes have to do whats best for them and if they think they aren't being valued by the team at fair value why sign with them? As we are learning more and more in pro sports its all a business teams are showing less and less loyalty to players so when a player tries to do whats best for them we should support them no? It's tough for both sides but everyone is just trying to do whats best and I'm sure in BB case this will be resolved there doesn't seem to be as much hostility as other situations. Boeser is a two year player ho hasn't really accomplishedmuch yet, including even one full season. He has zero leverage and he does not have the resume to be asking for $7m, if that is indeed what the hold up is for. As I've said, if he is holdng out for that kind of payday now, move him for a good return because his next contract demand will be far more. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBackup Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 1 hour ago, N7Nucks said: Well, it's September. I am starting to edge myself towards the sky is falling territory with Boeser. Lets go ahead and get this deal done. No distractions going into the season please and thank you. I might agree with you if all the other big RFAs had already signed, but at this point I think they’re all playing chicken with each other and once one goes the rest will start to follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post VIC_CITY Posted September 2, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 2, 2019 2 hours ago, stawns said: Boeser is a two year player ho hasn't really accomplishedmuch yet, including even one full season. He has zero leverage and he does not have the resume to be asking for $7m, if that is indeed what the hold up is for. As I've said, if he is holdng out for that kind of payday now, move him for a good return because his next contract demand will be far more. I don't think Benning is even considering trading Boeser. But I think you're right that Boeser doesn't have a ton of leverage. If Brock wants $7M, he's going to need to sign for at least 6 years. Otherwise he can take 3 years at $5-5.5M. But he doesn't have the leverage to command anything else IMO. 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Bitter Melon said: I might agree with you if all the other big RFAs had already signed, but at this point I think they’re all playing chicken with each other and once one goes the rest will start to follow. Feel like we been saying this all summer. Meier signed, I'd say he's roughly on the same level as Boeser. Aho is gone, but I'll admit that was a different situation. He was offer sheeted. Not so sure the other RFAs are waiting for other RFAs to sign. But I really hope if that's the case that they start to sign soon. We are getting dangerously close to preseason at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBackup Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 29 minutes ago, N7Nucks said: Feel like we been saying this all summer. Meier signed, I'd say he's roughly on the same level as Boeser. Aho is gone, but I'll admit that was a different situation. He was offer sheeted. Not so sure the other RFAs are waiting for other RFAs to sign. But I really hope if that's the case that they start to sign soon. We are getting dangerously close to preseason at this point. Meier signed yeah, but that’s one. The vast majority are still unsigned. Once training camp really starts to loom I’m confident things will start moving Horvat didn’t sign until a couple days before training camp despite being touted as “future captain” and not having a logjam of other similar players also waiting to get paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaramel MacKhiato Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 I'm sure all these guys will sign once other players can go on IR. I say Marner and Boeser are signed once Roussel and Clarkson's contract no longer affect the cap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zimmy Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 38 minutes ago, N7Nucks said: Feel like we been saying this all summer. Meier signed, I'd say he's roughly on the same level as Boeser. Aho is gone, but I'll admit that was a different situation. He was offer sheeted. Not so sure the other RFAs are waiting for other RFAs to sign. But I really hope if that's the case that they start to sign soon. We are getting dangerously close to preseason at this point. Not to ramp up your anxiety but "pre" season for this team actually started April 7. In fact, there are only two seasons as far as I'm concerned, though I'm willing to allow for something new like "post" season this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 2 hours ago, VIC_CITY said: I don't think Benning is even considering trading Boeser. But I think you're right that Boeser doesn't have a ton of leverage. If Brock wants $7M, he's going to need to sign for at least 6 years. Otherwise he can take 3 years at $5-5.5M. But he doesn't have the leverage to command anything else IMO. This is pretty much it. No 4 or 5 year deal... no $7 million for a short term deal. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post VIC_CITY Posted September 2, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 2, 2019 (edited) Sorry if this doesn't belong in this thread but I found this on Reddit, posted an hour ago. Edited September 2, 2019 by VIC_CITY 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonoman Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 43 minutes ago, VIC_CITY said: Sorry if this doesn't belong in this thread but I found this on Reddit, posted an hour ago. Thanks for update. I think most of the Duke posts have been in the current roster thread 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 18 hours ago, lethal_spaghetti said: These athletes have to do whats best for them and if they think they aren't being valued by the team at fair value why sign with them? As we are learning more and more in pro sports its all a business teams are showing less and less loyalty to players so when a player tries to do whats best for them we should support them no? It's tough for both sides but everyone is just trying to do whats best and I'm sure in BB case this will be resolved there doesn't seem to be as much hostility as other situations. Because he has no choice in the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 1 hour ago, stawns said: Because he has no choice in the matter. Europe and retirement are choices, though one is a bad choice and the other is kind of meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Vanderhoek Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 On 9/1/2019 at 6:06 PM, VIC_CITY said: I don't think Benning is even considering trading Boeser. But I think you're right that Boeser doesn't have a ton of leverage. If Brock wants $7M, he's going to need to sign for at least 6 years. Otherwise he can take 3 years at $5-5.5M. But he doesn't have the leverage to command anything else IMO. My thoughts exactly. $7m per is not an option on a bridge deal, if it is being legitimately considered thats a problem. Let the player put in a couple solid seasons and oh I don't know meet or beat the 30 goal threshold before going above the $ 5.5m per range. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 On 9/2/2019 at 3:57 AM, Top Sven Baercheese said: I'm sure all these guys will sign once other players can go on IR. I say Marner and Boeser are signed once Roussel and Clarkson's contract no longer affect the cap. Teams can use LTIR in the off-season as confirmed by Bill Daly a couple of years ago already. Toronto had used it in 2017 and he confirmed that you don't have to wait for the start of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 11 minutes ago, mll said: Teams can use LTIR in the off-season as confirmed by Bill Daly a couple of years ago already. Toronto had used it in 2017 and he confirmed that you don't have to wait for the start of the season. The CBA actually addresses it directly in some of their examples. It has been quoted on here several times. They have to have a doctor state that they are likely to miss at least the first three weeks of the upcoming season to qualify. Players can be on LTIR in the summer for the purposes of being able to go over the cap by more than the 10% you are allowed. Players can also be put on LTIR the last day of training camp so their replacements can be on the roster at the start of the season, you don’t have to have enough cap space for your LTIR guys on day 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanfor42 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 On 9/2/2019 at 9:07 AM, stawns said: Because he has no choice in the matter. Hey partner why don't you give the boeser bashing a rest. We get it. He's unsigned so you can spout off. Teams struggled for a few years. How about getting behind them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 19 minutes ago, fanfor42 said: Hey partner why don't you give the boeser bashing a rest. We get it. He's unsigned so you can spout off. Teams struggled for a few years. How about getting behind them. Oy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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