[Rumor] Boeser Camp Eyeing 4 Year Deal Worth $28M

[Duodenum]

1 hour ago, aGENT said:

Was crap last page and still crap now.

It seems that Benning wants long term, the Canucks just don't have the cap space to afford it with some of the other bad contracts Jim gave out from before. Annoying.

 

St.Louis, Chicago while they were winning those cups. They weren't giving out silly bridge deals to their star forwards and it paid off big time. Spend now, reap the rewards later. Not to say a bridge is the end of the world. Boston used to do it a lot but they got really lucky with players breaking out later in their careers. But it's just not a good idea, especially when the Canucks cup window hasn't even opened yet 

Edited September 11, 2019 by Duodenum

[Me_]

1 minute ago, Duodenum said:

It seems that Benning wants long term, the Canucks just don't have the cap space to afford it with some of the other bad contracts Jim gave out from before. Annoying.

 

Boston, St.Louis, Chicago while they were winning those cups. They weren't giving out silly bridge deals to their star forwards and it paid off big time. Spend now, reap the rewards later. 

Of course the main idea is to keep Boeser.

 

If it were to only fit Boeser under the cap, then not looking for return value could see us unload Sutter for cheap, Tanev for cheap, and Eriksson bought out or sent to Utica.

 

It can be done. 

Edited September 11, 2019 by Me_

[Elias Pettersson]

 

[Crabcakes]

21 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

It’s good value for sure, that being said that 1st is far from a guarantee. Could be around the 20-25 pick which does nothing for us now.

 

Dumba would be a good addition no doubt, but this team would struggle to score goals no question. 

 

I don’t understand this need to trade our best young guys for other teams players. Brock is a Canuck. The goal should be to build around guys like him, not ship them out as soon as they’re due for a payday.

 

 

I agree, Boeser is a core player.  People here discount intangibles and that's a big part of what Benning drafts for.  Leadership, character, chemistry....getting along with the group.  Boeser is a former Frozen 4 Champion.  That's not an easy thing to win.

 

No reason for Benning to loose his cool and make a major fool-ass move just because he has a difficult negotiation.   

[mll]

32 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

man tho 10+ goals 4 years running and he's only 25, and he's cost certain at 4 more years for 6 mil per. I dunno, I see Dumba and a 1st being equal value for Boeser. 

 

But this is just theoretical. I really like Brock and want to see him here long term. 

Guerin talks of how they have one of the best top-4 in the league with Dumba healthy.  He points out how Dumba was still leading the league in D goal-scoring 1.5 month into his injury. Why would they dismantle their D-corps for a winger?  Their season fell apart once he got injured.  They believe that he's the key reason they missed the playoffs.  

[Devron]

9 minutes ago, mll said:

Guerin talks of how they have one of the best top-4 in the league with Dumba healthy.  He points out how Dumba was still leading the league in D goal-scoring 1.5 month into his injury. Why would they dismantle their D-corps for a winger?  Their season fell apart once he got injured.  They believe that he's the key reason they missed the playoffs.  

Lol. Dumba’s a pretty darn good player but that aging core is gonzo. They have a long way to go to be competitive again imo. Plus lol Bill Guerin

[Devron]

2 hours ago, Duodenum said:

 

Rick Dhaliwal

 

@DhaliwalSports

 

The #Canucks cap issues are causing problems, the Boeser camp knows they can not get long term deal, they are willing to do a short term deal (even 1-2 years) but the gap remains even on that. Things can change quick but it does not look good right now.

 

 

Crap contracts given out from before might now be hurting us with our young players that are actually key going forward. Short term deal is gonna kill our cap later.

I don’t buy it. There is Cap space once we are roster compliant and Roussel is on LTIR.

 

Its gonna be funny when Boes does get locked up long term. JB’s been making people look stupid all summer long 

[aGENT]

17 minutes ago, Duodenum said:

It seems that Benning wants long term, the Canucks just don't have the cap space to afford it with some of the other bad contracts Jim gave out from before. Annoying.

 

Boston, St.Louis, Chicago while they were winning those cups. They weren't giving out silly bridge deals to their star forwards and it paid off big time. Spend now, reap the rewards later. 

But we can fit him long term, under the cap.

 

Hence the 'crap'.

 

Perhaps Dhaliwal needs a map.

 

To regain the ability he once had to rap.

[Duodenum]

8 minutes ago, Devron44 said:

I don’t buy it. There is Cap space once we are roster compliant and Roussel is on LTIR.

 

Its gonna be funny when Boes does get locked up long term. JB’s been making people look stupid all summer long 

 

8 minutes ago, aGENT said:

But we can fit him long term, under the cap.

 

Hence the 'crap'.

 

Perhaps Dhaliwal needs a map.

 

To regain the ability he once had to rap.

Could be that Boeser is overvaluating himself long term as well. The only number we have is 4x7 mill asking. To a point where it puts the Canucks over the cap. I hate this waiting game.

Edited September 11, 2019 by Duodenum

[aGENT]

2 minutes ago, Duodenum said:

 

Could be that Boeser is overvaluating himself long term as well. The only number we have is 4x7 mill asking. To a point where it puts the Canucks over the cap. I hate this waiting game.

$7 doesn't put us over the cap.

 

If he wants long term, he and his agent should look at what Keller just signed at for 8 years.

[Elias Pettersson]

24 minutes ago, mll said:

Guerin talks of how they have one of the best top-4 in the league with Dumba healthy.  He points out how Dumba was still leading the league in D goal-scoring 1.5 month into his injury. Why would they dismantle their D-corps for a winger?  Their season fell apart once he got injured.  They believe that he's the key reason they missed the playoffs.  

Is this a joke or did Bill Guerin actually say that?  Do they even have 4 quality defencemen on the team never mind the best top 4 in the entire league?  

[D.B Cooper]

2 hours ago, Alflives said:

We still lose here.  The team getting the best player wins the trade.  Boeser is BY FAR the best player in this trade.  JB is too smart to make a deal like this. 

Honestly, Dumba for Brock straight up might not even work for Minnesota. 

Zero chance in hell they let us fleece them like that. 

[Elias Pettersson]

1 minute ago, aGENT said:

$7 doesn't put us over the cap.

 

If he wants long term, he and his agent should look at what Keller just signed at for 8 years.

Exactly.  Not sure some on here passed math class.  When Schaller and Eriksson get put on waivers and Roussel goes on LTIR that will free up over $5 million.  So we have plenty of money to sign Brock short term.  Also next year and the year after we have millions coming off the books so there is also room for Brock for the foreseeable future.  How are people even calculating our long term cap situation and saying we can't sign Brock to a long term deal when none of our players other than Myers are even signed beyond the next 4 seasons?

[Elias Pettersson]

4 minutes ago, drummerboy said:

Honestly, Dumba for Brock straight up might not even work for Minnesota. 

Zero chance in hell they let us fleece them like that. 

How is Dumba actually better than Boeser?  Other than one 50 point season what has he done?  Meanwhile Boeser is 3 years younger.  In 3 years Boeser could be a 40 goal scorer.  Are you going to trade Dumba for a 40 goal scorer?

[D.B Cooper]

6 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

How is Dumba actually better than Boeser?  Other than one 50 point season what has he done?  Meanwhile Boeser is 3 years younger.  In 3 years Boeser could be a 40 goal scorer.  Are you going to trade Dumba for a 40 goal scorer?

50 two years ago, on pace for over 50 last year. (12 goals in 32 games by the way) 

Hits like a truck.  Plays a solid D game and is usually a + player.  

He is only 25.   

The kid is a total stud. 

 

Sure.  In 3 years Boeser COULD be a 40 goal scorer.   He could not as well. He still isn’t a 30 man yet. 

Dumba is already a top pairing kick ass dman and still getting better. 

 

I love Boeser and don’t want to trade him, but if Dumba is on the table you take him and run as fast as you can. 

Edited September 11, 2019 by drummerboy

[*Buzzsaw*]

There sure are a lot of people on these boards who have a bad day at work or a fight with their wife and then decide to vent by screaming about the Canucks.

 

[Kanukfanatic]

1 minute ago, *Buzzsaw* said:

There sure are a lot of people on these boards who have a bad day at work or a fight with their wife and then decide to vent by screaming about the Canucks.

 

Naw...some of us get sucked in by imbeciles and have a discussion and only learn later they are imbeciles lol.  The internet is hard that way....

[mll]

33 minutes ago, Devron44 said:

I don’t buy it. There is Cap space once we are roster compliant and Roussel is on LTIR.

 

Its gonna be funny when Boes does get locked up long term. JB’s been making people look stupid all summer long 

If they use LTIR they will have to make an in-season trade anyway to re-activate Roussel.  LTIR limits flexibility.

LTIR typically forces to carry over performance bonuses (Pettersson/Hughes) to the following season unless they make a trade at some point and it probably won't allow to recall players like Juolevi or Gaudette who have performance bonuses on their contracts as long as LTIR is in use.

 

Dallas last season had for 12M in roster players out injured long term - Stephen Johns missed all season, Hanzal and Methot did not play past December.  They have a bonus overage of over 900K on their books this season.  Per Shapiro they were also unable to recall Guarinov with LTIR in use because his ELC had performance bonuses and the cap space created through LTIR couldn't cover them. 

 

Fwiw Fletcher in Minnesota was aiming for 2M in cap space to allow for recalls during the season. They never managed and had to yo-yo players up and down from the AHL on game day - recalled at 5pm and sent back down right after the game because of their lack of cap space to deal with injuries.  

 

Edited September 11, 2019 by mll

[Elias Pettersson]

9 minutes ago, drummerboy said:

50 two years ago, on pace for over 50 last year. (12 goals in 32 games by the way) 

Hits like a truck.  Plays a solid D game and is usually a + player.  

He is only 25.   

The kid is a total stud. 

 

Sure.  In 3 years Boeser COULD be a 40 goal scorer.   He could not as well. He still isn’t a 30 man yet. 

Dumba is already a top pairing kick ass dman and still getting better. 

 

I love Boeser and don’t want to trade him, but if Dumba is on the table you take him and run as fast as you can. 

Yes Dumba was on pace for over 50 points last year.  And Boeser was also on pace for almost 40 goals in his rookie season.  What did Dumba do in his first 2 years in the NHL?  They both were injured last year so you can't say one would have hit their target and the other wouldn't as nobody knows.  Boeser has 3 years on Dumba to get to his 40 goal potential.  If he does I'm not trading a 40 goal scorer for Matt Dumba.  Dumba may be a top pairing on Minnesota but other than Bill Guerin nobody else thinks their defense is elite.

Edited September 11, 2019 by Elias Pettersson

[*Buzzsaw*]

Couple comments about Dumba:

 

He is a small defenseman... 6' 0" and 183 lbs.

 

Plays a physical game above his weight class... and is starting to pay the price.

 

Got injured badly last year trying to fight and hit guys who were bigger than him.  Missed more than half the season, only played 32 games in the season, none after the injury.

 

I personally think there is no question he is a skilled defenseman and a valuable point getter... but his playing style may not give him a long career.