Arrow 1983 Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 (edited) why is Brock Boeser ineligible to be offer sheeted . Why his NHL negotiation rights are restricted to only the Canucks organisation. From the CBA itself (c) Players With Fewer Than Three Years of Professional Experience. Any Player with fewer than the required years of professional experience set forth in Section 10.2 shall have no right to Free Agency except as provided in this section. Upon expiration of such a Player's SPC, the Club to whom the Player was last under SPC shall be entitled to make that Player a Qualifying Offer under the terms and conditions set forth in Section 10.2(a)(ii) above. A Club which makes this Qualifying Offer will have the exclusive right to negotiate with any such Player. In the event no such Qualifying Offer is made, the Player shall immediately become an Unrestricted Free Agent pursuant to Section 10.2(a)(iv) above. Boeser played only 9 games in his 1st season the threshold is 10 games to be considered a full season therefore, Boeser only has 2 full seasons, hence has no rights to free agency and the Canucks have exclusive right to negotiate with Boeser. exclusive; restricted or limited to the person, group, or area concerned Free agency, means that a player has negotiating rights with both his club he was signed with and under certain circumstances the other clubs, ie; if another club offers an offersheet. Restricted free agency, means a player is restricted to negotiate with only the team he had a current contract with Unrestricted free agency; both player and clubs are unrestricted in negotiating with said player. A player or players agent can call all the teams to instigate negotiation Edited July 7, 2019 by Arrow 1983 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Arrow 1983 Posted July 7, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted July 7, 2019 Which makes Jim Benning Brilliant, Cause he avoided any possibility of offer sheets to not just Boeser but Hughs as well. Before some one can mention how about Elias Pettersson, if you don't recall Pettersson team won the SHL championship and by the time that playoff run was over the Canucks season was over. 1 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrow 1983 Posted July 7, 2019 Author Share Posted July 7, 2019 (edited) 10.2 Restricted Free Agents. (a) Group 2 Players and Free Agents. (i) (A) Any Player who meets the qualifications set forth in the following chart and: (1) is not a Group 1 Player or a Group 4 Player, and (2) is not an Unrestricted Free Agent, shall be deemed to be a "Group 2 Player" and shall, at the expiration of his SPC, become a Restricted Free Agent. Any such Player shall be completely free to negotiate and sign an SPC with any Club, and any Club shall be completely free to negotiate and sign an SPC with any such Player, subject to the provisions set forth in this Section. As used in this Section 10.2, "age," including "First SPC Signing Age" means a Player's age on September 15 of the calendar year in which he signs an SPC regardless of his actual age on the date he signs such SPC. First SPC Signing Age Eligible for Group 2 Free Agency 18 - 21 3 years professional experience 22 - 23 2 years professional experience 24 or older 1 year professional experience For the purposes of this Section 10.2(a), a Player aged 18 or 19 earns a year of professional experience by playing ten (10) or more NHL Games in a given NHL Season, and a Player aged 20 or older (or who turns 20 between September 16 and December 31 of the year in which he signs his first SPC) earns a year of professional experience by playing ten (10) or more Professional Games under an SPC in a given League Year. (B) Notwithstanding the foregoing, if a Group 2 Player requests salary arbitration, or a Club requests salary arbitration, pursuant to Article 12, such Player will not be eligible to negotiate with any Club other than his Prior Club or sign an Offer Sheet pursuant to this Article 10, except as provided in Sections 12.3(a) and 12.10. So you actually believe that the threshold is 10 games from the CBA itself in the bold. Edited July 7, 2019 by Arrow 1983 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post xereau Posted July 7, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 7, 2019 AKA proper asset management by Benning. 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davathor Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 Ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drive-By Body Pierce Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 Educated by the entitled? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 Benning must be a Scotch drinker. He’s so smrt 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danaimo Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 Yeh but he can still offer sheeted right???...….joking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slegr Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 It's funny, I had been wondering why Sportsnet and other Toronto media weren't pushing stories about how teams should be offer-sheeting Boeser, but it makes sense why they haven't, if he can't be offer-sheeted. They're just left with fueling stories about others like Laine, while trying to draw attention away from Marner. Either that, or trying reverse psychology and messaging that 4 1st round picks would be so much better than Marner, so either way, it'll be a win-win for Toronto! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballisticsports. Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 11 hours ago, Arrow 1983 said: Which makes Jim Benning Brilliant, Cause he avoided any possibility of offer sheets to not just Boeser but Hughs as well. Before some one can mention how about Elias Pettersson, if you don't recall Pettersson team won the SHL championship and by the time that playoff run was over the Canucks season was over. Lol, along with every CDC poster concerned at the time of wasting a year of his contract playing him 10 games on a last place team not making the playoffs It was actually a no brainer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 (edited) not sure why this needed it's own thread it has been explained numerous times in threads where it was a relevant issue but i guess it is slow now Edited July 7, 2019 by coastal.view 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 (edited) Seems a lot of Sports Analysts aren't aware. Every place I've looked Boeser is listed in the top 10 RFA's to target with an offer sheet this summer. I'm rather confused on this one. Edited July 7, 2019 by Baggins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Torts Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 We all know this no? No one is freaking out over Brock Boeser besides the people that watch one game a year and don't know what the f is going on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 6 hours ago, Alflives said: Benning must be a Scotch drinker. He’s so smrt If I had to put up with Eriksson and his agent's bs I'd be a scotch drinker too Dude is pouting because he hasn't lived up to the contract he signed after being a productive top six guy prior to signing here 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItTakesAnArmy Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 16 hours ago, Arrow 1983 said: Boeser played only 9 games in his 1st season the threshold is 10 games to be considered a full season therefore, Boeser only has 2 full seasons, hence has no rights to free agency and the Canucks have exclusive right to negotiate with Boeser. What happens if Boeser plays an exhibition game before signing a new contract? Will that give him his 10th game requirement? Or third year? Why hasn't Boeser been signed? Isn't he a critical cog in Benning's hopes for a playoff spot? You would think this is a major issue showing how much the club wants him. 21 minutes ago, Coconuts said: If I had to put up with Eriksson and his agent's bs I'd be a scotch drinker too Dude is pouting because he hasn't lived up to the contract he signed after being a productive top six guy prior to signing here Get something corrected here, no one twisted Benning's arm to offer or sign that contract, it is all on him. The same with every contract this team signs. How many of you would turn down an extra 100 grand to do the same job you do now? The expectations on Eriksson are also on the Benning, most pundits can read his stats, who he played with and when these great seasons happened. It is only the huge amount of PR that the Canucks created that put so much emphasis on him being a top six guy, now hit repeat only with Miller, although Miller is younger but essentially the same. Eriksson has slowed the last season but he was a decent defensive forward being paid by the club to score, which he couldn't do here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 6 minutes ago, ItTakesAnArmy said: What happens if Boeser plays an exhibition game before signing a new contract? Will that give him his 10th game requirement? Or third year? Why hasn't Boeser been signed? Isn't he a critical cog in Benning's hopes for a playoff spot? You would think this is a major issue showing how much the club wants him. It's the beginning of July. There's literally 2 months before those words should be coming out of anyone's mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 16 minutes ago, ItTakesAnArmy said: Get something corrected here, no one twisted Benning's arm to offer or sign that contract, it is all on him. The same with every contract this team signs. How many of you would turn down an extra 100 grand to do the same job you do now? The expectations on Eriksson are also on the Benning, most pundits can read his stats, who he played with and when these great seasons happened. It is only the huge amount of PR that the Canucks created that put so much emphasis on him being a top six guy, now hit repeat only with Miller, although Miller is younger but essentially the same. Eriksson has slowed the last season but he was a decent defensive forward being paid by the club to score, which he couldn't do here. Nobody twisted his arm, sure. And I'd be awfully surprised if management hadn't looked into his stats and usage before offering the deal they did. The expectations for Benning and Eriksson are different things. Management's responsibility was to try and ice a competitive roster while Eriksson's was to produce and play responsible defense. Eriksson was slotted in with offensive players at the beginning of his tenure and things went downhill from there. Are those players different than the ones he played with in Boston? Of course, but the twins were still talented first line players for us at that point. Admittedly we were a pretty poor team at the time but that's part of why he was acquired, to bolster our scoring. Eriksson had five seasons of being a first/second line player in Dallas before he even arrived in Boston and those numbers continued albeit to a lesser extent for the next three seasons. The contract was a bit longer but that's what you often pay when you chase UFA's, but a bit long or not Benning and the rest of management had reasonable reason to believe they were getting a second line winger at the very least based on Eriksson's history of producing offense. Whatever PR was put out focused on him being a top six guy because up til that point he'd proven he was. Eriksson was a top six guy who then failed to produce like one. You've mentioned Miller and that's a can of worms I wasn't talking about. What happens with Miller remains to be seen and I'm leaving it at that. I was talking about Eriksson. I said Eriksson is pouting because he hasn't lived up to the contract he signed after being a productive top six guy prior to signing here. He hasn't. Him complaining about the Canucks and his usage to the Swedish media and supposedly failing to communicate with Benning upon his return from the worlds doesn't help his case. Not entirely sure what you thought you were correcting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Torts Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 37 minutes ago, ItTakesAnArmy said: What happens if Boeser plays an exhibition game before signing a new contract? Will that give him his 10th game requirement? Or third year? Why hasn't Boeser been signed? Isn't he a critical cog in Benning's hopes for a playoff spot? You would think this is a major issue showing how much the club wants him. Get something corrected here, no one twisted Benning's arm to offer or sign that contract, it is all on him. The same with every contract this team signs. How many of you would turn down an extra 100 grand to do the same job you do now? The expectations on Eriksson are also on the Benning, most pundits can read his stats, who he played with and when these great seasons happened. It is only the huge amount of PR that the Canucks created that put so much emphasis on him being a top six guy, now hit repeat only with Miller, although Miller is younger but essentially the same. Eriksson has slowed the last season but he was a decent defensive forward being paid by the club to score, which he couldn't do here. Same reason why all of the other RFA’s haven’t signed yet. Negotiations. I don’t agree with your view of JT Miller being essentially the same as Eriksson. That is untrue on all levels, but I don’t know what exactly you were referring to when you’re calling them the same player. A player that’s hit 58? Points at 24-25 years old and is entering his prime and will be given ample opportunities to showcase himself in a western conference he is built for or the slow and aging overhyped Eriksson that doesn’t live up to his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptKirk888 Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 20 hours ago, Arrow 1983 said: why is Brock Boeser ineligible to be offer sheeted . Why his NHL negotiation rights are restricted to only the Canucks organisation. From the CBA itself (c) Players With Fewer Than Three Years of Professional Experience. Any Player with fewer than the required years of professional experience set forth in Section 10.2 shall have no right to Free Agency except as provided in this section. Upon expiration of such a Player's SPC, the Club to whom the Player was last under SPC shall be entitled to make that Player a Qualifying Offer under the terms and conditions set forth in Section 10.2(a)(ii) above. A Club which makes this Qualifying Offer will have the exclusive right to negotiate with any such Player. In the event no such Qualifying Offer is made, the Player shall immediately become an Unrestricted Free Agent pursuant to Section 10.2(a)(iv) above. Boeser played only 9 games in his 1st season the threshold is 10 games to be considered a full season therefore, Boeser only has 2 full seasons, hence has no rights to free agency and the Canucks have exclusive right to negotiate with Boeser. exclusive; restricted or limited to the person, group, or area concerned Free agency, means that a player has negotiating rights with both his club he was signed with and under certain circumstances the other clubs, ie; if another club offers an offersheet. Restricted free agency, means a player is restricted to negotiate with only the team he had a current contract with Unrestricted free agency; both player and clubs are unrestricted in negotiating with said player. A player or players agent can call all the teams to instigate negotiation I thought most here were aware of this already? But, I might be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rawkdrummer Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 12 hours ago, Alflives said: Benning must be a Scotch drinker. He’s so smrt More Scotch please, JW black for Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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