gameburn Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 3 hours ago, ilduce39 said: I love the whole overall style of play. We don’t have a pure, heavyweight face puncher but a plethora of guys who can skate, hit and muck it up. Horvat, Virtanen, Miller, Ferland, Roussel, Motte and Benn are tough customers.. and Edler once in a blue can really lay the body too. If coach Green can get them flying around it should be an exciting group to watch. It will be an amazing team to watch. Very flexible: beat you with finesse one day, then close-check, hit and goaltend you into the ice the next. Myers got the money, and Benn got the local thing going, but Ferland is the game changer, imo. If he stays healthy? A different team entirely. Now, in a long play-off run... Miller is probably the guy who tips the balance: secondary scoring is so big then. I suspect that both Ferland and Miller will see their point totals go up. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceman64 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 2 hours ago, Jam126 said: Yeah, fair. I'm just talking about people who are straight up analysing just the fighting ability of Ferland and not his hockey ability as much. And putting him in matchups with Gudbranson? It's not a productive conversation. I love what Ferland brings, he's a deterrent, a fighter when he needs to be, and a big hitter. But most important is his talent, and it irritates me that we're talking about his impact with his fists instead of his impact on the scoreboard. That was kind of my thinking too BUT how long have we been looking for a player that could fight as well as snipe? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gameburn Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 2 hours ago, Alflives said: I think fans are going to be pleasantly surprised just how good Ferland is as a player. If he can play effectively with Aho and Gaudreau then he has some skill for sure. Look how difficult it was to find a winger for Horvat, then Pettersson. Or Crosby or McD for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 3 hours ago, Gnarcore said: I think ol Ed Jovanoski was the guy who most tried to take pepoles heads off..not most dangerous...but just trying to savagely connect a huge bomb. The shot on Deadmarsh. ...ouch. He used to throw those wild roundhouses lol. I remember not liking Deadmarsh - at all - but felt bad for him after he got rekt by Jovo. Iirc, that was pretty much the end of Deadmarsh's NHL career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gameburn Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 5 hours ago, debluvscanucks said: Why can't we have both? No headhunting...I agree. Rather, enforcing the law of our team - which is: don't do it (mostly, mess with our young'uns). It doesn't have to jump straight to fighting. A staredown. A nudge. But then the willingness to take that next step if the other side isn't tuning in. We MUST have that because, up to now, the word was out that we didn't. And it's laughable (to those who do take liberties) because they hone right in on the superstar who makes them look bad knowing full well that they can get away with it. It has to stop. Personally, I hate fighting and cringe at the thought of the possibility of serious injury and concussion. But we'll be at the receiving end of a lot of that if we don't step it up. Deterrents. Rather than an ongoing deal. Ferland is the new Bieksa here. Have you seen his stare down? Lol, freezes water. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silky mitts Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Gudbranson terrible nhl defenceman but a great fighter . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ilduce39 Posted July 16, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 16, 2019 18 minutes ago, gameburn said: It will be an amazing team to watch. Very flexible: beat you with finesse one day, then close-check, hit and goaltend you into the ice the next. Myers got the money, and Benn got the local thing going, but Ferland is the game changer, imo. If he stays healthy? A different team entirely. Now, in a long play-off run... Miller is probably the guy who tips the balance: secondary scoring is so big then. I suspect that both Ferland and Miller will see their point totals go up. We’re so used to signing role players and trying to force them up our weaker lineup and then being disappointed. This offseason feels different. Not not only is the quality of our pickups at a higher level than in the past, they still aren’t expected to come in and carry the team. It’s easy to be optimistic in July, but I think we have good cause to be. 1 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceman64 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, ilduce39 said: We’re so used to signing role players and trying to force them up our weaker lineup and then being disappointed. This offseason feels different. Not not only is the quality of our pickups at a higher level than in the past, they still aren’t expected to come in and carry the team. It’s easy to be optimistic in July, but I think we have good cause to be. (Last sentence) "For a change.." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilduce39 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 8 minutes ago, iceman64 said: (Last sentence) "For a change.." ...yeah, I’ve been optimistic about top 6s and top 4s featuring Granlund (almost 20 goals!) Baertschi, Etem, Hutton, Goldobin, Rodin, Stecher etc etc... “This time it’ll be different!“ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieVedder Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Silky mitts said: Gudbranson terrible nhl defenceman but a great fighter . When the NHL changes back to a no-pansy league, players like Gudbranson are going to be much more effective and sought after. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post oldnews Posted July 16, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 16, 2019 27 minutes ago, Silky mitts said: Gudbranson terrible nhl defenceman but a great fighter . https://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/PIT/2019.html 19 games +7 52 hits. 40.6% ozone starts. 54.7% corsi Playoffs 4 games 1 goal 47.4% ozone starts. 56.4% corsi Not bad for a "terrible nhl defenseman". Folks around here might think differently in a year or two of Gudbranson not being paired with struggling tweeners, not playing on lineups missing the majority of their vital veteran hard-minutes guys (Edler, Tanev, Sutter, Beagle...) Not many players look 'good' when stepping up in those circumstances - 'just sayin'. 1 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnarcore Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 39 minutes ago, oldnews said: He used to throw those wild roundhouses lol. I remember not liking Deadmarsh - at all - but felt bad for him after he got rekt by Jovo. Iirc, that was pretty much the end of Deadmarsh's NHL career. Ya that was definitely the start of the end for Deadmarsh. The concussion piled up after Jovocop took his soul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnarcore Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, oldnews said: https://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/PIT/2019.html 19 games +7 52 hits. 40.6% ozone starts. 54.7% corsi Playoffs 4 games 1 goal 47.4% ozone starts. 56.4% corsi Not bad for a "terrible nhl defenseman". Folks around here might think differently in a year or two of Gudbranson not being paired with struggling tweeners, not playing on lineups missing the majority of their vital veteran hard-minutes guys (Edler, Tanev, Sutter, Beagle...) Not many players look 'good' when stepping up in those circumstances - 'just sayin'. Exactly. We didn't really put him into a great situation to succeed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gameburn Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 31 minutes ago, ilduce39 said: We’re so used to signing role players and trying to force them up our weaker lineup and then being disappointed. This offseason feels different. Not not only is the quality of our pickups at a higher level than in the past, they still aren’t expected to come in and carry the team. It’s easy to be optimistic in July, but I think we have good cause to be. Miller and Ferland are head and shoulders above the other recent signings going back a few years now. And unlike Vrbata and Vanek, these guys are not rentals or temps. Miller would have been enough to make me optimistic -- we have so wanted secondary scoring here -- but Myers and Benn make a difference to our weakest area. Ferland is just bonus. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, ilduce39 said: I love the whole overall style of play. We don’t have a pure, heavyweight face puncher but a plethora of guys who can skate, hit and muck it up. Horvat, Virtanen, Miller, Ferland, Roussel, Motte and Benn are tough customers.. and Edler once in a blue can really lay the body too. If coach Green can get them flying around it should be an exciting group to watch. When I think of Ferland, I think of a relentless forechecker. The team needed that - in the form of guys that are skilled enough to play in the top 6. They got not one, but two of these guys this summer - on great deals - that gives Green various options, ensuring that they have someone to fill that role on EP's line - some size, speed, physicality, space-making, goes to the net and hard areas - exactly what was needed, between the whistles. The bonus with Ferland is that he wears on, wears down opponents bluelines - and the fact he's tough in terms of standing up is a bonus. I don't really want to see him having to scrap too often - both for the sake of his personal health, and the team's durability, but just that presence alone makes a difference imo. Is a weasel like Kadri as likely to take liberties when there is a guy who will feed him his teeth on the ice? Not as likely. Edited July 17, 2019 by oldnews 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, Gnarcore said: Exactly. We didn't really put him into a great situation to succeed. I was hoping we'd keep him around until the team was improved and see what he looked like on a healthier, deeper Canucks team - but having added Myers, Ferland, Pearson, Miller, Benn, it's a bit easier to let go of Gud being gone. I think people around here generally put on the fishbowl blinders and decided he 'sucks' - I really doubt that's how Gudbranson's career looks in the longer run. Anyhow - I just wish he'd gone to a team I like, but whatever, I'd still like to see the guy succeed - he seems like such a standup person - and he has a great toolbox to go with a level-head - it seems like he's already benefitted from a few minor tweaks in Pittsburgh. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruilin96 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 In the Sedins era, top line was Sedin-Sedin-Burrows If Pettersson as the new Henrik, Boeser as the new Daniel, Ferland could be the Burrows. Hope that line clicks and Ferland could still get his game to another level by scoring 50+ points. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ilduce39 Posted July 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 17, 2019 12 minutes ago, gameburn said: Miller and Ferland are head and shoulders above the other recent signings going back a few years now. And unlike Vrbata and Vanek, these guys are not rentals or temps. Miller would have been enough to make me optimistic -- we have so wanted secondary scoring here -- but Myers and Benn make a difference to our weakest area. Ferland is just bonus. 10 minutes ago, oldnews said: When I think of Ferland, I think of a relentless forechecker. The team needed that - in the form of guys that are skilled enough to play in the top 6. They got not one, but two of these guys this summer - on great deals - that gives Green various options, ensuring that they have someone to fill that role on EP's line - some size, speed, physicality, space-making, goes to the net and hard areas - exactly what was needed, between the whistles. The bonus with Ferland is that he wears on, wears down opponents bluelines - and the fact he's tough in terms of standing up is a bonus. I don't really want to see him having to scrap too often - both for the sake of his personal health, and the team's durability, but just that presence alone makes a difference imo. Is a weasel like Kadri as likely to take liberties when there is a guy who will feed him his teeth on the ice? Not as likely. I agree.. and I'd add Pearson to the list I produced before. There's different ways to add "grit" to your lineup - hits, forecheck, battle level in the corners, agitating, fighting, etc.. but our new roster is chalk full of guys who bring some kind of "hard to play against" element. Ferland - Pettersson - Boeser Pearson - Horvat - Miller Baertschi - Sutter - Virtanen Leivo - Beagle - Motte Roussel Edler - Myers Hughes - Tanev Benn - Stecher ...and Pettersson is a competitive phenom, Myers is huge and both Tanev and Stecher are warriors in their own zone. The crux of it is, of course, that the team finally looks to have the skill as well. The defence may be "average" but all of those guys excel at transitioning the puck up the ice.. and up front we have a ton of guys who like to shoot. There's 15-20 goal potential up and down the lineup. I can't shut up about it but I honestly don't think we're getting the credit we deserve as a nicely put together squad. To your point about Guddy, it finally feels like we have a complete team and that should elevate everyone's game. 1 2 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post oldnews Posted July 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 17, 2019 13 minutes ago, ilduce39 said: I agree.. and I'd add Pearson to the list I produced before. There's different ways to add "grit" to your lineup - hits, forecheck, battle level in the corners, agitating, fighting, etc.. but our new roster is chalk full of guys who bring some kind of "hard to play against" element. Ferland - Pettersson - Boeser Pearson - Horvat - Miller Baertschi - Sutter - Virtanen Leivo - Beagle - Motte Roussel Edler - Myers Hughes - Tanev Benn - Stecher ...and Pettersson is a competitive phenom, Myers is huge and both Tanev and Stecher are warriors in their own zone. The crux of it is, of course, that the team finally looks to have the skill as well. The defence may be "average" but all of those guys excel at transitioning the puck up the ice.. and up front we have a ton of guys who like to shoot. There's 15-20 goal potential up and down the lineup. I can't shut up about it but I honestly don't think we're getting the credit we deserve as a nicely put together squad. To your point about Guddy, it finally feels like we have a complete team and that should elevate everyone's game. And even if the blueline is perceived as average - you have 3 outstanding defensive centers in that mix - and at least one other very good defensive forward on each of those lines....that certainly helps any blueline - and you have some pretty good transition threats in that middle six as well, who can score on the counterpunch. I really can't wait to see that team hit the ice - they're pretty much as requested, so I have no grounds to criticize, but believe they can produce some surprising results. 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bcl420 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Fighting/intimidation is a big part of the game. If it wasn't, players wouldn't be choke slamming rookies to the ice with nothing to fear. Petterson needs to feel free to play his game and not be headhunted. When you get intimidating players who can throw down on your side, it allows the skilled to play 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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