[Signing] Canucks sign Micheal Ferland

[The Lock]

1 hour ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

This is exactly right and it’s easy to see. Although you still see a lot of posters on this board with the belief that the focus hasn’t changed and the plan has been the same since day one.  

I think with any plan, you don't just have a plan A and that's it. You have a plan B, C, D, etc. Also, the NHL is not exactly a static entity. I would imagine the plan needs to be reevaluated on a consistent basis to make sure things are on the right track. Adjustments can then get made where they need to get made.

 

It would be silly to become GM in 2014 and still have the exact same plan now without some modifications. I honestly think you and Agent are saying the same thing, just in a different way though. You think it's a different plan entirely. Agent thinks it's the same plan with changes. Both could be right in my opinion. It's just a matter of how you look at it.

[aGENT]

6 minutes ago, oldnews said:

assumption(s) to suit a speculative narrative

Bingo.

 

But I'm 'wrong' 

Edited July 11, 2019 by aGENT

[NorthernTorch]

He was such a pain in the butt for us when he was in Calgary. I am SOOOO HAPPY that his is on our side now!

[tas]

2 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

Call it what you want. You’re still wrong. 

the plan hasn't changed. the plan, from the very first press conference, was to build a new group with a new core drafted and developed by the team, while at the same time supporting that group with enough veterans to allow for a competitive atmosphere, rather than succumbing to a losing culture like the oilers. 

 

it's like steering a ship -- sometimes you get blown off course, but that doesn't mean the path or destination has changed. you just correct as necessary. desjardins wasn't moving the group in the direction they expected, so they corrected the course. 

 

as far as linden goes, the only thing that changed that part of the "plan" is that the teams drafting was good enough that benning and aquilini believed it was time to accelerate things, making the youth front and center and removing the training wheels, whereas linden was determined to see the slow cooker method through. 

[Nucker 67]

I suppose some thanks to the Flames and Hurricanes for developing this fine young player, who will be a fan favourite in VAN for years. He's entering his prime, perfect timing. Benning did say that teams that win have players between 27 and 32? (or something like that).

 

Well, he brought in:

 

J.T. Miller - 26

Ferland - 27

Myers - 29

Benn - 31

Fantenberg - 27

 

Benning isn't messing around this year.

 

 

 

[oldnews]

7 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

Funny thing is, one day we will win the Stanley Cup,.  and I can only imagine some of the ridiculous questions that will come out of mouths from most of the media here..                 “So Jim,.  How did you do that”? 

I just read a poll on TSN:

 

Would you rather the Canucks:

 

1) make the playoffs

or

2) trade Loui Eriksson.

?

[Nucker 67]

Just now, oldnews said:

I just read a poll on TSN:

 

Would you rather the Canucks:

 

1) make the playoffs

or

2) trade Loui Eriksson.

?

haha! Why the choice? Both will happen

 

[tas]

would you rather:

 

1) eat some pasta

or

2) sell your used cell phone

?

[EternalCanuckFan]

Thinking about Ferland's acquisition a bit more, it reminds me a bit of the acquisition of Raffi Torres in 2010.  Now Ferland doesn't have nearly the same rep as Torres and, IMHO, is a much better player.  The comparison though is that Ferland brings the Canucks a similar physical element that Torres brought when he joined the 2010-2011 team.  Now I might be wrong, but I felt that Torres' addition changed the way the Canucks played and the way opposition teams played them.  Ferland may have a similar effect particularly if he can keep his style of play, stay healthy and avoid suspensions.  The Canucks will be even better served if Ferland's play inspires Virtanen.

 

Overall I like the addition and it's helping to bring excitement to the upcoming season.  The main wildcard right now is what the Canucks will do with the glut of forwards they have so that will be an interesting story line to follow over the summer.

[SilentSam]

3 minutes ago, oldnews said:

I just read a poll on TSN:

 

Would you rather the Canucks:

 

1) make the playoffs

or

2) trade Loui Eriksson.

?

 

[Gaudette Celly]

1 hour ago, RonMexico said:

Who could be that myopic though? The fact that Linden got canned shows the plan changed.

Yeah, don't think you know what that word means, because quite ironically it applies directly to those who can NOT see the long term plan or big picture but only what's right in front of their face, always reacting to every move in isolation instead of seeing it in context of the overall plan.

9 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

Oh they exist

Yep. When you have lost a president and a head coach obviously things aren’t going as planned. But some people here are quite stubborn.

1 hour ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

This is exactly right and it’s easy to see. Although you still see a lot of posters on this board with the belief that the focus hasn’t changed and the plan has been the same since day one.  

Not only condescending but borderline trolling.

42 minutes ago, aGENT said:

No, we see it as part of the evolution of the plan.

It's been explained countless times but the "stubbornness" is on the part of the eternal critics who either ignorantly or willfully are blind of what's happened.

 

Even the vaunted #shanaplan didn't come in and blow things up day one (in fact, they never did anyway).  Likewise JB and Linden came in the first year with a view to analyze the team and roster, while starting to make changes.  Kesler was forced on them, they moved out NTC Garrison for Dorsett, and got Vey as the first of many younger stop-gaps to fill the emerging holes.  Yes they admitted they were giving that core another shot that year, as part of the overall process of analysis and where to start making the changes, NOT as "a different plan that then changed."

The following years were of moving out older players and NTCs and bringing in stop-gaps and placeholders - a.k.a. TRANSITIONING -  typically younger ones with upside with the prospective hope they could even become part of the new core; players exactly like Baertschi, Vey, Etem, Pedan, etc., while we waited for draft picks to be chosen and developed.  Along the way we've been able to draft higher-end talent and brought them into the roster, all the while making sure they are properly sheltered by capable veterans, NOT signing them as "mixed messages trying to make the playoff so Aqualini makes more money."

 

Now we're at the point where the Sedins are gone and the kids have taken over and are now the core.  They are productive and have bottom-6 sheltering, so we can now add complementary pieces around them to fill out the roster into a competitive playoff team.  Oh look, the team's been completely rebuilt -- how'd that happen??

The team was transitioned, rebuilt, whatever you want to call or label it, in a mere five years, and if you want to play the "changed plans mixed messages" game then fine, then you have admit they did it in just four or less -- even more remarkable.  Some saw it early on, some eyes were opened along the way, and MOST are seeing it now.  The truly STUBBORN ones are those who by their own ego and short-sightedness were in denial and missed the boat the entire time by criticizing everything out of (admitted) ignorance and lack of perspective.  Fortunately those numbers have become EXTREMELY small, as we knew they eventually would, of course including the select few "usual suspects."

[-SN-]

3 minutes ago, tas said:

would you rather:

 

1) eat some pasta

or

2) sell your used cell phone

? 

I just made this the poll of the day. Inquiring minds needs to know.

[JM_]

2 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

 

there are going to be people upset if this team makes the playoffs. Makes me wonder why they watch this team at all. 

[The Lock]

1 minute ago, Jimmy McGill said:

there are going to be people upset if this team makes the playoffs. Makes me wonder why they watch this team at all. 

I know right? "Why didn't we tank for the deep 2020 draft?"

 

I bet that's the exact sentence used too. lol

[JM_]

Just now, The Lock said:

I know right? "Why didn't we tank for the deep 2020 draft?"

 

I bet that's the exact sentence used too. lol

oh, its going to be more than that. It will be generational. The most generational ever. Draft of a lifetime. Best draft in the history of the NHL. 

[Dr. Crossbar]

13 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

 

 

 

 

Jim is methodical and, unlike some, doesn't panic.  The idea that, somehow, the team isn't aware of holes and needs is...kind of ridiculous.  It just takes time to adequately address them.  

I hope that those who constantly slam Benning can get off the stubborn stance and accept that he is making some moves that are improving this team.  A great deal.

 

Not JUST for the future because that's short sighted.  The bridge to the future holds prospect and you can have a bit of both.  You don't have to hoard picks and wait...you can upgrade when/if possible and start building a winner now.  Because you never know how far that will take you.

The problem is, as you've often said, people talk in absolutes and fail to leave open the possibility for changing dynamics and solutions they can't see. That doesn't mean solutions don't exist to various issues, they take time to address. 

 

I'm confident Benning will continue to draft well for the future - that's his specialty - but also be more precise in his signings and trades based on our needs.

 

It's not a perfect process but we are improving and we have been upgraded. We are getting better in an imperfect process. If we wait to be perfect, it'll never happen.

 

[The Lock]

Just now, Jimmy McGill said:

oh, its going to be more than that. It will be generational. The most generational ever. Draft of a lifetime. Best draft in the history of the NHL. 

And the depth will drop off EXACTLY at the end of the 1st round. Pick 31? The next McDavid! Pick 32? Bust!

[oldnews]

8 minutes ago, EternalCanuckFan said:

Thinking about Ferland's acquisition a bit more, it reminds me a bit of the acquisition of Raffi Torres in 2010.  Now Ferland doesn't have nearly the same rep as Torres and, IMHO, is a much better player.  The comparison though is that Ferland brings the Canucks a similar physical element that Torres brought when he joined the 2010-2011 team.  Now I might be wrong, but I felt that Torres' addition changed the way the Canucks played and the way opposition teams played them.  Ferland may have a similar effect particularly if he can keep his style of play, stay healthy and avoid suspensions.  The Canucks will be even better served if Ferland's play inspires Virtanen.

 

Overall I like the addition and it's helping to bring excitement to the upcoming season.  The main wildcard right now is what the Canucks will do with the glut of forwards they have so that will be an interesting story line to follow over the summer.

I'm liking what it means for guys like that little pee-rick Kadri - now in Colorado.  Watch your back Nazem - you've got it coming.

 

Or the likes of McMe1st - who could not handle DDorsett - and now has nightmares about Ferland under his bed to contend with (once again).

[Darius]

9 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said:

there are going to be people upset if this team makes the playoffs. Makes me wonder why they watch this team at all. 

speaking of upset....this is the quality of anti Benning threads inundating hfboards.  Notice how almost 50% chose the lose Boeser option.  Yeah, real good Canuck fans I tell you.  I need a shower after going there.

Edited July 12, 2019 by Darius

[VegasCanuck]

41 minutes ago, 18W-40C-6W said:

I haven’t looked but who are the likely candidates (if you know off the top of your head)?

 

quinn vs jack for sure (won’t that be fun!)

kakko

who else? 

Then Hughes, might be one or two more, Byram might make the conversation if he makes opening night roster.