Green should consider staying away from any line combination involving Gaudette, Baertschi, Virtanen, Sutter, Eriksson, and Leivo. Random thought on Quinn Hughes.

[Hindustan Smyl]

6 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said:

LOL, how do you have 6 bottom 6 forwards.  Without any of them playing together?

 

staying away from any line combination involving Gaudette, Baertschi, Virtanen, Sutter, Eriksson, and Leivo

That’s not what I meant to say, but I could have admittedly worded it better.

[captainhorvat]

6 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said:

LOL, how do you have 6 bottom 6 forwards.  Without any of them playing together?

 

staying away from any line combination involving Gaudette, Baertschi, Virtanen, Sutter, Eriksson, and Leivo

FFS

[JesseBlue]

I like your idea.

 

You're not cut from the same cloth so you offer alternatives. This is how progress works. I think the new nhl has 4 balance lines rather than having a specific checking and energy lines nowadays

[AlwaysACanuckFan]

Nvm

Edited July 25, 2019 by AlwaysACanuckFan

[Samgagner'sface]

10 hours ago, J-23 said:

3rd line isn't a scoring line.

Baer gaudette virt

 

this certainly isn't a shutdown line, so what's their purpose? I think that's why some may think it's a weak 3rd line, as  on paper it's not a strong offensive or defensive line. 

Edited July 25, 2019 by Samgagner'sface

[wildcam]

22 hours ago, Hindustan Smyl said:

Green should consider staying away from any line combination involving Gaudette, Baertschi, Virtanen, Sutter, Eriksson, and Leivo.   Random thought on Quinn Hughes.

 

The Canucks seem to have really improved their Top 6 this year.  A lot.   

 

However, here is what I think:  

 

1) I think any 3 man line combination involving Gaudette, Baertschi, Virtanen, Sutter, Eriksson, and Leivo will likely result in a very weak 3rd line in my opinion......to the point where we’d get minimal bottom 6 production and would overburden our Top 6.

 

2) Atleast TWO of the following THREE players should play on the 3rd line:   Pearson, Miller, Ferland.  That way, we can ensure that we’d be able to get some production from the 3rd line and present a more balanced attack.

 

I feel like most “Armchair GM’s” on here have created the following line combinations:

 

[Ferland or Miller]-Pettersson-Boeser

Pearson-Horvat-[Ferland or Miller]

 

That’s all fine and dandy, but I think that would leave our 3rd line being too weak no matter what combination.  Even one of Ferland/Pearson/Miller likely wouldn’t be able to carry such a line.

 

That’s why, I would go with the following:

 

Line 1:  Miller-Pettersson-Boeser

 

I would put Miller here instead of Ferland since Miller is a better overall player.  In order to go “tit for tat” with other elite lines, the Canucks will need to put their best foot forward here.  This line wouldn’t be as good as the WCE or Sedin/Burrows, but I wouldn’t expect it to be too far off either.  This should be a very good line.

 

Line 2:  [Eriksson or Baertschi]-Horvat-Virtanen

 

These guys have had very good chemistry with one another in the past.  Baertschi has always been at his best with Horvat, while the entire Baertschi-Horvat-Virtanen line looked really good during the 2015 pre-season.  I’d easily try this again.  However - if the Canucks find it impossible to move Eriksson (without retaining or without adding a sweetener), then I’d trade Baertschi for a pick to clear cap space.  Give Eriksson one year to play alongside Horvat and increase his value.    

 

3). Pearson-[Sutter or Gaudette]-Ferland

 

Regardless of which Center the Canucks go with here, I think the duo presence of Pearson and Ferland would make this line a scoring threat........which would allow the Canucks to have three potentially good scoring lines.   I think only one of Pearson or Ferland here wouldn’t be enough to carry a 3rd line.  Two of these guys however, and I think we’d be into something:

 

2) Coaching and Management expectations of Quinn Hughes:  

 

After looking at our overall defense, I have come to the following conclusion:   Our management REALLY thinks that we have something special in Hughes.....:and not only will it not take long for Hughes to get up to speed, but that he might be a Zack Werenski-ish caliber player almost right from the get go (maybe by the time December hits).  

 

The reason why I say this is because if management didn’t feel this way, I don’t think they would have Hughes slated into that 2nd pairing role right away.   My guess is that management not only expects Hughes to be a good 2nd pairing dman almost immediately, but also expects Hughes to be able to fill in quite easily on the top pairing Incase of injuries.     

 

Now normally, I’d be critical of management’s thinking here, but they’ve earned the right to earn my trust.  Why?  Because - last year around this time, it also appeared to me that they were expecting too much out of Elias Pettersson.  One year ago - I was wondering if EP could handle the physical rigors of the NHL right away.......and found it risky that management had him pegged to play as a Center right away instead of starting out on the wing...........and boy was I WRONG.  Big time.   EP absolutely smashed the doors down and I couldn’t be happier.   My guess is that Man agament is expecting Hughes to be Pettersson/Boeser-ish in terms of not needing much of a break-in period.   I remain skeptical, but management has earned my trust.   There is also a piece on Team 1040 (can’t remember who) Where one hockey pundit thinks that Hughes will be a Norris Trophy Candidate one day and has him currently ranked ahead of Makar.    Taking all of this into consideration, I am cautiously optimistic.

Ferland will be a top 6 forward guaranteed. Ferland will also play with Horvat,, he will be around to open up space a do the dirty work in the corners and

nobody will take a cheap shots anymore..Ferland will add 20 goals and much much needed grit..Excited to see the room he opens up when he attacks the offence with havoc.. pettersson and Boser will get more scoring chances..

 

Ferland - Pettersson - Boser

Pearson - Horvat  - Miller

Leivo - Gaudette -- Virtanen

Motte -  Beagle   - Baertchi

 

Injury - Roussel ----- Need to trade Sutter, Schaller AHL, ( Erickson will not make team no room and trade will happen)

 

Edited July 25, 2019 by wildcam

[vannuck59]

22 hours ago, Hindustan Smyl said:

Green should consider staying away from any line combination involving Gaudette, Baertschi, Virtanen, Sutter, Eriksson, and Leivo.   Random thought on Quinn Hughes.

 

The Canucks seem to have really improved their Top 6 this year.  A lot.   

 

However, here is what I think:  

 

1) I think any 3 man line combination involving Gaudette, Baertschi, Virtanen, Sutter, Eriksson, and Leivo will likely result in a very weak 3rd line in my opinion......to the point where we’d get minimal bottom 6 production and would overburden our Top 6.

 

2) Atleast TWO of the following THREE players should play on the 3rd line:   Pearson, Miller, Ferland.  That way, we can ensure that we’d be able to get some production from the 3rd line and present a more balanced attack.

 

I feel like most “Armchair GM’s” on here have created the following line combinations:

 

[Ferland or Miller]-Pettersson-Boeser

Pearson-Horvat-[Ferland or Miller]

 

That’s all fine and dandy, but I think that would leave our 3rd line being too weak no matter what combination.  Even one of Ferland/Pearson/Miller likely wouldn’t be able to carry such a line.

 

That’s why, I would go with the following:

 

Line 1:  Miller-Pettersson-Boeser

 

I would put Miller here instead of Ferland since Miller is a better overall player.  In order to go “tit for tat” with other elite lines, the Canucks will need to put their best foot forward here.  This line wouldn’t be as good as the WCE or Sedin/Burrows, but I wouldn’t expect it to be too far off either.  This should be a very good line.

 

Line 2:  [Eriksson or Baertschi]-Horvat-Virtanen

 

These guys have had very good chemistry with one another in the past.  Baertschi has always been at his best with Horvat, while the entire Baertschi-Horvat-Virtanen line looked really good during the 2015 pre-season.  I’d easily try this again.  However - if the Canucks find it impossible to move Eriksson (without retaining or without adding a sweetener), then I’d trade Baertschi for a pick to clear cap space.  Give Eriksson one year to play alongside Horvat and increase his value.    

 

3). Pearson-[Sutter or Gaudette]-Ferland

 

Regardless of which Center the Canucks go with here, I think the duo presence of Pearson and Ferland would make this line a scoring threat........which would allow the Canucks to have three potentially good scoring lines.   I think only one of Pearson or Ferland here wouldn’t be enough to carry a 3rd line.  Two of these guys however, and I think we’d be into something:

 

2) Coaching and Management expectations of Quinn Hughes:  

 

After looking at our overall defense, I have come to the following conclusion:   Our management REALLY thinks that we have something special in Hughes.....:and not only will it not take long for Hughes to get up to speed, but that he might be a Zack Werenski-ish caliber player almost right from the get go (maybe by the time December hits).  

 

The reason why I say this is because if management didn’t feel this way, I don’t think they would have Hughes slated into that 2nd pairing role right away.   My guess is that management not only expects Hughes to be a good 2nd pairing dman almost immediately, but also expects Hughes to be able to fill in quite easily on the top pairing Incase of injuries.     

 

Now normally, I’d be critical of management’s thinking here, but they’ve earned the right to earn my trust.  Why?  Because - last year around this time, it also appeared to me that they were expecting too much out of Elias Pettersson.  One year ago - I was wondering if EP could handle the physical rigors of the NHL right away.......and found it risky that management had him pegged to play as a Center right away instead of starting out on the wing...........and boy was I WRONG.  Big time.   EP absolutely smashed the doors down and I couldn’t be happier.   My guess is that Managament is expecting Hughes to be Pettersson/Boeser-ish in terms of not needing much of a break-in period.   I remain skeptical, but management has earned my trust.   There is also a piece on Team 1040 (can’t remember who) Where one hockey pundit thinks that Hughes will be a Norris Trophy Candidate one day and has him currently ranked ahead of Makar.    Taking all of this into consideration, I am cautiously optimistic.

As soon as I browsed threw your post I rolled my eyes Ferland and Miller were not brought in to play on the third line. period. Ferland will likely play with Pettersson and Boeser  , Miller will Play with  Horvat and Pearson . A third Line of Baertschi Sutter and Leivo / Virtanen (the third line will drive play) A forth  line of Ericsson Beagle and Leivo / Virtanen, the days of shut down lines are coming to a end four balanced lines that can score is the trend. with your better players in the top 6.

[PuckFather]

A super long title and bad line combination ideas. Perfect way to start a crappy day. 

[vannuck59]

12 hours ago, Hindustan Smyl said:

Maybe it’s just me, but does that 3rd line not look too weak to you?  Even if you replaced Gaudette with Sutter, my concern is that a 3rd line that would have difficult scoring goals. 

Why do you think that ,you think Baertschi and Virtanen cant score? or is it that you think Sutter's useless 

[cyoung]

1 hour ago, wildcam said:

Ferland will be a top 6 forward guaranteed. Ferland will also play with Horvat,, he will be around to open up space a do the dirty work in the corners and

nobody will take a cheap shots anymore..Ferland will add 20 goals and much much needed grit..Excited to see the room he opens up when he attacks the offence with havoc.. pettersson and Boser will get more scoring chances..

 

Ferland - Pettersson - Boser

Pearson - Horvat  - Miller

Leivo - Gaudette -- Virtanen

Motte -  Beagle   - Baertchi

 

Injury - Roussel ----- Need to trade Sutter, Schaller AHL, ( Erickson will not make team no room and trade will happen)

 

Baertschi on line 4...and on the right wing. What? Lol if he's healthy he is a top6 winger. 3rd line at worst...

 

Miller EP boeser

Baertschi Bo Ferland

Pearson Sutter virt 

Leivo beagle motte 

 

Roussel coming back could likely push us to move someone as we have a bit of a logjam. Also im just assuming we deal Ericsson...hopefully.

 

Honestly, our bottom 6 is solid if healthy and we have a handful of guys that can step up from Utica. Just need to stop getting hurt so much.

 

[Shift-4]

8 hours ago, Hindustan Smyl said:

That’s not what I meant to say, but I could have admittedly worded it better.

And

 

[J-23]

6 hours ago, Samgagner'sface said:

Baer gaudette virt

 

this certainly isn't a shutdown line, so what's their purpose? I think that's why some may think it's a weak 3rd line, as  on paper it's not a strong offensive or defensive line. 

Ya and......not everything going to happen all at once.

 

We finally got a decent top 6 again and it took us a while. Will be another few years before we start to see a decent 3rd line.

 

OP and fans need to be patient, we still have a couple of years more (maybe even more) to go, before we start to see 3-4 solid lines. Last season we barely had 1 solid line.

Edited July 25, 2019 by J-23

[Conscience]

19 hours ago, Hindustan Smyl said:

Maybe it’s just me, but does that 3rd line not look too weak to you?  Even if you replaced Gaudette with Sutter, my concern is that a 3rd line that would have difficult scoring goals. 

Ya unfortunately our 6th overall pick is a pretty weak choice even on the third line, but I’m hoping Bear and Gaudette can develop some chemistry, if Bear stays healthy he’s a top 6 player and hopefully Guadette can take a next step forward. 

[magicman12]

On 7/24/2019 at 10:52 AM, Hindustan Smyl said:

That’s a fair enough criticism.

 

My idea for Baertechi-Horvat-Virtanen is from 4 years ago (2015 preseason where they looked quite good with one another).  

 

My thing with Baertschi, is that he seems a bit lost without Horvat.   These two have always had good chemistry.  

 

If it doesn’t pan out though, then I’d go with the conventional Pearson-Horvat-Ferland.

 

I still like Miller on that first line though.   Put our best foot forward.

 

As others have said in this thread however, it’s probably just better to see what happens at camp before making forecasts and penciling in people.  

 

Off the top top of my head though, I just think that the Canucks could still be at risk in terms of icing a weak bottom 6 (which is if true, will overburden our top players just as it did these past few seasons).

Yes agree, 2 checking lines is playing to much defence in your own end. 

[Hindustan Smyl]

38 minutes ago, magicman12 said:

Yes agree, 2 checking lines is playing to much defence in your own end. 

Especially in today’s NHL.  There was a time (not too long ago) Where teams that had the more traditional two scoring lines + two checking lines set-up, but I think the better teams today clearly have three lines that can score on the regular.

[iceman64]

On 7/24/2019 at 7:36 PM, Conscience said:

Ferland Pettersson Miller

Pearson Horvat Boeser

Beartchi Gaudette Virt

Would love to see Big Mac on that 3rd line subbed for bear... 

Edited July 26, 2019 by iceman64

[Johnny Torts]

On ‎7‎/‎24‎/‎2019 at 10:16 AM, Hindustan Smyl said:

Green should consider staying away from any line combination involving Gaudette, Baertschi, Virtanen, Sutter, Eriksson, and Leivo.   Random thought on Quinn Hughes.

 

The Canucks seem to have really improved their Top 6 this year.  A lot.   

 

However, here is what I think:  

 

1) I think any 3 man line combination involving Gaudette, Baertschi, Virtanen, Sutter, Eriksson, and Leivo will likely result in a very weak 3rd line in my opinion......to the point where we’d get minimal bottom 6 production and would overburden our Top 6.

 

2) Atleast TWO of the following THREE players should play on the 3rd line:   Pearson, Miller, Ferland.  That way, we can ensure that we’d be able to get some production from the 3rd line and present a more balanced attack.

 

I feel like most “Armchair GM’s” on here have created the following line combinations:

 

[Ferland or Miller]-Pettersson-Boeser

Pearson-Horvat-[Ferland or Miller]

 

That’s all fine and dandy, but I think that would leave our 3rd line being too weak no matter what combination.  Even one of Ferland/Pearson/Miller likely wouldn’t be able to carry such a line.

 

That’s why, I would go with the following:

 

Line 1:  Miller-Pettersson-Boeser

 

I would put Miller here instead of Ferland since Miller is a better overall player.  In order to go “tit for tat” with other elite lines, the Canucks will need to put their best foot forward here.  This line wouldn’t be as good as the WCE or Sedin/Burrows, but I wouldn’t expect it to be too far off either.  This should be a very good line.

 

Line 2:  [Eriksson or Baertschi]-Horvat-Virtanen

 

These guys have had very good chemistry with one another in the past.  Baertschi has always been at his best with Horvat, while the entire Baertschi-Horvat-Virtanen line looked really good during the 2015 pre-season.  I’d easily try this again.  However - if the Canucks find it impossible to move Eriksson (without retaining or without adding a sweetener), then I’d trade Baertschi for a pick to clear cap space.  Give Eriksson one year to play alongside Horvat and increase his value.    

 

3). Pearson-[Sutter or Gaudette]-Ferland

 

Regardless of which Center the Canucks go with here, I think the duo presence of Pearson and Ferland would make this line a scoring threat........which would allow the Canucks to have three potentially good scoring lines.   I think only one of Pearson or Ferland here wouldn’t be enough to carry a 3rd line.  Two of these guys however, and I think we’d be into something:

 

2) Coaching and Management expectations of Quinn Hughes:  

 

After looking at our overall defense, I have come to the following conclusion:   Our management REALLY thinks that we have something special in Hughes.....:and not only will it not take long for Hughes to get up to speed, but that he might be a Zack Werenski-ish caliber player almost right from the get go (maybe by the time December hits).  

 

The reason why I say this is because if management didn’t feel this way, I don’t think they would have Hughes slated into that 2nd pairing role right away.   My guess is that management not only expects Hughes to be a good 2nd pairing dman almost immediately, but also expects Hughes to be able to fill in quite easily on the top pairing Incase of injuries.     

 

Now normally, I’d be critical of management’s thinking here, but they’ve earned the right to earn my trust.  Why?  Because - last year around this time, it also appeared to me that they were expecting too much out of Elias Pettersson.  One year ago - I was wondering if EP could handle the physical rigors of the NHL right away.......and found it risky that management had him pegged to play as a Center right away instead of starting out on the wing...........and boy was I WRONG.  Big time.   EP absolutely smashed the doors down and I couldn’t be happier.   My guess is that Managament is expecting Hughes to be Pettersson/Boeser-ish in terms of not needing much of a break-in period.   I remain skeptical, but management has earned my trust.   There is also a piece on Team 1040 (can’t remember who) Where one hockey pundit thinks that Hughes will be a Norris Trophy Candidate one day and has him currently ranked ahead of Makar.    Taking all of this into consideration, I am cautiously optimistic.

I just felt like I got slapped twice, walked right into this thread after going through the " dark horse captain " thread. What in the actual &^@#.

[cyoung]

Most posts are too long for me... It was the title this time.

[BrockBoester]

I've just realized after all the threads of Hindustan's I've seen they all seem to have a common theme lol

Great post 6.2/10

[mrturkish]

Let’s wait and see what the coach decides. He’s the one that’s front and centre

gotta love these guys who think they are the coach. Lmao.