WHL rocks Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 (edited) 20 hours ago, DonaldBrashear said: I know you're being sarcastic, but you actually make a good point. It reminds me of an old story. Many years ago, an employee at the Ford factory made a huge mistake that cost the company $1 million dollars. He was called to Henry Ford's office. He stood in front of Henry Ford and said "Sir, I understand of course if you want to fire me". Henry Ford scoffed at him... "FIRE YOU? Not a chance! I just invested 1 million dollars in your education!" Same thing applies here. I think we can all agree, whether you like him or not, Jim Benning has gotten much better as the years go by. If we fire him, another team will scoop him up guaranteed and have themselves a seasoned GM and what will we do then? Who would you hire? It's not like seasoned GM's grow on trees. I wasn't being sarcastic. I've said same thing before on this forum. JB is an experienced veteran now. Wrong time to fire him. Plus stability is important. Let him finish the rebuild. Give him 2 years and see how he builds the roster around this young core. Edited August 17, 2019 by WHL rocks 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post aGENT Posted August 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 17, 2019 5 hours ago, rekker said: JB is improving as the years go on. I still cringe when he makes trades but he has built some real nice depth here. Happy to have Jim stay on longer. 3 hours ago, Sbriggs said: He's improving on his signings as well as contracts. You have to remember he was a rookie GM and expected to make some hits and misses like all GM's even the most experienced ones etc Lucic deal in Edm just to name one. While I'm sure he's learned some things along the way, this sentiment that he's so vastly 'improved' is a bit misguided IMO. A lot of his so called 'bad' moves have been far more circumstantial than simply 'bad/learning on the job'. His only really 'bad' moves of any consequence are the Eriksson signing (duh) and the poor handling of Gudbranson (which he appears to have largely corrected with a good trade for Pearson... we'll see more this season). Players like MDZ etc need to be viewed through the lens of what they were intended for. People seem to act like we brought him in to be a top 4 D on a contender or something . A lot of the 'bad' signings he's made the past few years were largely intended as short term stop gaps mostly to shelter kids and with little leverage to get them here other than over paying. Short terms of little consequence to fill a roster without throwing kids in before they were ready/over their heads. They were never meant as long term moves to take the club to the cup. And I'd 'overpay' for high quality players like Roussel and Beagle again and again to get the right guys for the job (with still little in the way of leverage). Both of whom come off the books as we have kids come in to replace them, all while doing stellar work in the mean time... Almost as if that was the plan... Beyond that, the vast majority of his trades have been wins or draws and his contract extensions have been EXCELLENT (short of perhaps Hutton's first one...). And now that we're seeing something resembling actual leverage to attract UFA's with an emerging young core etc, he now has some actual muscle to even sign UFA's to reasonable contracts as evidenced by this summer's signings. 1 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pears Posted August 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 17, 2019 I know this has been said before, but Benning has built the best prospect pool/young core this franchise has ever seen, and he has earned the opportunity to see his rebuild through. 5 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Pears said: I know this has been said before, but Benning has built the best prospect pool/young core this franchise has ever seen, and he has earned the opportunity to see his rebuild through. Yah utica was top team last yr in the ahl. Right ? oh yah. U prefer dreams / hopes over facts Edited August 17, 2019 by kingofsurrey 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRussianRocket1994 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Pears said: I know this has been said before, but Benning has built the best prospect pool/young core this franchise has ever seen, and he has earned the opportunity to see his rebuild through. 1000%!!! I’m glad some see it!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheRussianRocket1994 Posted August 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 17, 2019 Just now, kingofsurrey said: Yah utica was top team last yr in the ahl. Right ? You understand a majority of the prospects are on the Canucks, which says a lot! Plus, there’s a lot in college / on non ahl teams at the moment. A little research / common sense goes a long way!!! 3 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 56 minutes ago, Where'd Luongo? said: Lol incredible, I am a jb fan. This is the tangent you went on and why i keep telling you that your comments are irrelevant. I don't agree with an extension before the season that matters. Snap case liberal snowflakes are hilarious. So in one hand your saying he’s done 1/3 of things right and hasn’t done enough to deserve the extension, and on the other hand your saying your a fan...how does that work? It’s like admitting your ok with incredibly low standards (which you’ve admitted to many times in your defense of MG) - but on the other hand saying it’s not good enough and we should hire someone else. Whatever is going on in your head is a comedic dichotomy. Love it - now I understand your posts. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pears Posted August 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: Yah utica was top team last yr in the ahl. Right ? oh yah. U prefer dreams / hopes over facts Hmmm let me see where most of our prospects were last year. Oh right, in the NHL or in their respective junior leagues ineligible for the AHL. 1 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRussianRocket1994 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Just now, IBatch said: So in one hand your saying he’s done 1/3 of things right and hasn’t done enough to deserve the extension, and on the other hand your saying your a fan...how does that work? It’s like admitting your ok with incredibly low standards (which you’ve admitted to many times in your defense of MG) - but on the other hand saying it’s not good enough and we should hire someone else. Whatever is going on in your head is a comedic dichotomy. Love it - now I understand your posts. Right! It’s unreal! I call him on it and then says I didn’t say that. Holy moly!! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRussianRocket1994 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Just now, Pears said: Hmmm let me see where most of our prospects were last year. Oh right, in the NHL or in their respective junior leagues ineligible for the AHL. Exactly my response! What is going on today with these people?! Yikes! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: Yah utica was top team last yr in the ahl. Right ? oh yah. U prefer dreams / hopes over facts I think AHL is quite similar to the NHL when it comes to winning. It’s most often the veterans who lead the teams in the AHL to their success. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the grinder Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: Yah utica was top team last yr in the ahl. Right ? oh yah. U prefer dreams / hopes over facts lol you gonna join loungo on the sidelines soon 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Crossbar Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 14 minutes ago, the grinder said: and boom goes the dynamite 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monteeun Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 11 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: Yah utica was top team last yr in the ahl. Right ? oh yah. U prefer dreams / hopes over facts U didn't put any effort into that comment did u? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, the grinder said: lol you gonna join loungo on the sidelines soon Why because i consider our ahl club / farm team as the best team of of future prospects / indicator of our clubs prospecy depth 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 7 minutes ago, Alflives said: I think AHL is quite similar to the NHL when it comes to winning. It’s most often the veterans who lead the teams in the AHL to their success. I agree but what young guys on utica do u see as transitionning to the canucks longterm 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 1 minute ago, kingofsurrey said: Why because i consider our ahl club / farm team as the best team of of future prospects / indicator of our clubs prospecy depth Three of our top 5 prospects were all on the NHL roster at one point last year but go ahead with your narrative. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Just now, kingofsurrey said: I agree but what young guys on utica do u see as transitionning to the canucks longterm King, of our top 10 prospects under 22 how many were on the Comets last season! OJ, and he was playing injured, right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: I agree but what young guys on utica do u see as transitionning to the canucks longterm OJ for me is the only guy I see as a future Canuck from last season’s U22 Comets. Did I miss someone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5nothincanucksohno Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 14 minutes ago, Alflives said: It’s a rebuild. Making the playoffs can kill a rebuild. We got Podkolzin and Hoglander in rounds one and two this last draft. Those two will be coming along just when some of our support guys are demanding more money than we can afford. Having more picks certainly increases a team's odds at selecting good players but at the end of the day true success is really determined by the key players chosen (i.e. the core). Most of the teams that have had Cup success over the last decade or so have had two key forwards, one offensive stud on D, and competent goaltending. Chicago with Toews/Kane/Keith, Pit with Crosby/Malkin/Letang, LA with Kopitar/Carter/Doughty, etc. The real debate in my opinion is do people think that EP40, Bo/Boeser, and Hughes are at this level. For me, I think the core group has the skill and drive to be successful so why not extend their window to win as long as possible? I have no problem with adding legit support pieces around the core group and seeing what they can do...trades, moves, draft selections, etc. still need to be rationale and focused on the long-term but risk is required to win. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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