theo5789 Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 10 minutes ago, Dr. Crossbar said: Just to clarify ... Stingy, like bee stingy? Or Stingy, like cheap? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 10 hours ago, 189lb enforcers? said: I haven’t been much of a fan of Benning, but I’d rather have him as GM than Gillis, no matter the scenario. JB - the Silver linings playbook GM. “All part of the plan” lol all of it, especially picking EP at #5 with a cap team. I don’t care one way or another about this news. Expectations are different now and if needed, JB will be replaced, which is inevitable, unless you’re a Ken Holland, and even then... No more sissy hockey. It took house money to buy this team some character and toughness, not managerial prowess. Hardly exec of the year work, but it did suit my needs as a fan perfectly so I’m happy. I just didn’t see the need to do this now, but suspect the PR team had something to say concerning capitalizing on the enthusiasm the fanbase is experiencing right now with this signing. Personally, spending house money to bridge gaps made in the rebuild process isn’t something I’d reward, let alone before the product was even tested. For me, this news news confirms that Aquaman believes JB has listened and done what he’s been told to as GM. The news also makes me rethink Linden’s tenure here, given there appears to have been a disconnect, possibly in strategic planning. Linden, the human bug-deflector for the re-thingy in all of this, errr, Plan. Mostly pretty much bang on... I like JB, and I do like the team, he has build. We now look like, we are able to stand up to the bullies in the league as well as go toe to toe with the skilled teams. It remains to be seen, if the team can live up to the billing, but the possibility is certainly there. And of course there has to be a certain connection as well as agreement between the GM and the owners of the way forward. After all they pay the bills... The fact they extend him now have two purposes. Firstly a show of appreciation towards Benning for having done the job, he set out to do, and secondly to buy into the excitement of the fans... Positive vibes sells tickets... This doesn't change the fact that Aquilini can get rid of Benning at any time, if he should choose to do so. In management everyone gets replaced eventually.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Barzal Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Fine with me. If we don't make the playoffs he'll be fired at the end of this season anyways, management has no problem cutting lose ends. This way we ensure he makes no hasty decisions to save his neck mid season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 11 hours ago, Where'd Luongo? said: Classic, someone disagrees and gets told to leave while everyone jumps on board trying to trash the perspective. Stay classy canuck fans. Proving my point rather than discrediting me. no one's discrediting you, I'm not anyway. You want to continue having a hissy fit, by all means continue. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Jetliner said: There's no doubt JB has drafted talented players, but I wouldn't consider JB has done a "good job", since we haven't made the playoffs since 2014-2015. Hence why it may be more prudent for aquaman to have waited to see how the season goes before dishing out the contract And swimmers should get 'fired' for not keeping dry I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 9 hours ago, Mike Vanderhoek said: So now I get to listen to the morning guys on 650 go on about how JB only has what ? 4 years to show he can stop making mistakes, poor trades, poorer Free Agency and JUST ok drafting lol. Love that he is getting extended and will continue to shape the Canucks moving forward for the foreseeable future. Oh, man I'm sorry to hear that 650 is doing the same type of coverage as 1040; I was just about to switch to 650 after giving up on TSN radio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gurn Posted August 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 18, 2019 53 minutes ago, Mathew Barzal said: Fine with me. If we don't make the playoffs he'll be fired at the end of this season anyways, management has no problem cutting lose ends. This way we ensure he makes no hasty decisions to save his neck mid season. I wouldn't worry about JB being hasty to try and "save" his job even if he did not get an extension. At the last draft Jim picked a Russian kid that is at least 2 years away from even coming to North America, so he seems immune to that kind of pressure. 1 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoasting Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Jetliner said: I agree, a rebuild does take time Perhaps Aquaman is extending now to get JB for cheaper, vs if the canucks season does indeed go well, then JB's value may go up. like a FA? It's a pretty standard business practice throughout the league, either the GM has a new contract or assured one is coming. Doesn't guarantee anything, the GM will still be fired at will if the team is terrible. It's not our money or affects the salary cap so who cares how much the owner has to pay if he fires the GM. I don't know if you remember Burke with an expiring contract and no renewal in sight... started saying to the media he was a "lame duck gm" lol and he was! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 11 hours ago, Pears said: I know this has been said before, but Benning has built the best prospect pool/young core this franchise has ever seen, and he has earned the opportunity to see his rebuild through. It can’t be said often enough... spot on. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Crossbar Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 1 hour ago, spook007 said: It can’t be said often enough... spot on. I'll second that. Lotta wrong mofos up in this thread! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Fan since 82 Posted August 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 18, 2019 On 8/17/2019 at 4:59 AM, Seinfeld said: Gillis was ahead of the curve when it came to maximizing player performance on the ice. You already know the examples ie. hiring sleep doctors, staying in away cities overnight instead of travelling, having the likes of Tom Brady as a guest speaker at player meetings, lobbying for a better travel schedule for the team. We knew we had a GM that was trying to get that extra edge over other GMs. Benning is the opposite and instills very little confidence, unless it’s draft day (even then he’s only above average). I always found it amusing/ironic how we have one of the worst records in the last 4 years and yet Benning insists he overpay for “culture carriers” to avoid a “losing culture”. Well you do know that a losing culture isn't always about not losing right? It's about not becoming a loser, and about keeping the effort and attitude up. Every team will go through periods where they face adversity, but the culture carriers will hopefully be guys that can work and play hard in spite of the adversity. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post appleboy Posted August 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 18, 2019 For those who complain about the team not making the playoffs for the last 4 years. No GM was going to get the mess that was left behind to the playoffs for years. This year is still not a guarantee. 2 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracksuit Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 (edited) Meh. “It is what it is.” He’s a very average gm at all aspects. We could do worse and we could do better. It doesn’t change if the cap crunched team flounders as Many think it will he won’t survive another failure. would have like to see the young all star Boeser signed and treated like a priority instead of bottom pair d and plugs ufas. Doesn't do much to build loyalty when none is shown. Edited August 18, 2019 by Tracksuit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post theo5789 Posted August 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 18, 2019 10 minutes ago, Tracksuit said: Meh. “It is what it is.” He’s a very average gm at all aspects. We could do worse and we could do better. It doesn’t change if the cap crunched team flounders as Many think it will he won’t survive another failure. would have like to see the young all star Boeser signed and treated like a priority instead of bottom pair d and plugs ufas. Doesn't do much to build loyalty when none is shown. You realize that many high profiled RFAs haven't been signed right? Horvat wasn't signed until September, I guess he wasn't a priority either? Benning brought Boeser's parents to his first game and got them to announce the roster with him in it. You clearly don't understand what loyalty means as you're the one trashing the team's GM despite him building a new era for this franchise with a very promising future. I wonder who you consider to be a non-average GM in the cap era. But let me guess, look at the Canucks record over the last 4 years? 3 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 8 hours ago, Mathew Barzal said: Fine with me. If we don't make the playoffs he'll be fired at the end of this season anyways, management has no problem cutting lose ends. This way we ensure he makes no hasty decisions to save his neck mid season. Disagree that he would be fired if they don't make the playoffs. We have been progressing and last year we were out of the playoffs by something like 8 points. We are a bubble wild card team next year, but have made some decent moves to hopefully push us over the top, but not necessarily guaranteed. We are simply needing to fight for a wild card spot this year and if we don't make it, then so be it. We advance more next year and should hopefully make it by then. The Miller deal involving the 1st seems to indicate this mindset so we are protected this year and so is Benning's job. If Benning is fired after this season, something drastic would've happened. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRussianRocket1994 Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 15 minutes ago, Tracksuit said: Meh. “It is what it is.” He’s a very average gm at all aspects. We could do worse and we could do better. It doesn’t change if the cap crunched team flounders as Many think it will he won’t survive another failure. would have like to see the young all star Boeser signed and treated like a priority instead of bottom pair d and plugs ufas. Doesn't do much to build loyalty when none is shown. Average GM?! Really! Boeser not a priority?! Really! I highly recommend doing some research on the history of the Canucks (other teams), Canucks GMs (other GMs) & contract negotiations!!! Because this post reeks of being ill informed!! Nothing Jim or the team is doing is average or wrong...maybe not perfect, but not average or wrong. Go compare Jim to other GMs throughout history and go compare Boesers negotiations to other negotiations throughout history, then maybe you’ll really understand how things are / work! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mikeyman109 Posted August 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 18, 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, kingofsurrey said: The results are in the wins and losses. Right now the fact is our club is 4 years out of playoffs in a row. Time will tell if JB has done a good job. All the ultra light posters on this thread are having fun because it is summer and our club is still undefeated next year so far. So many trolls just want to blow smoke up their own ..... The fact that you dont understand how a re build is done and that you will miss the playoffs to achieve it is what drives people here nuts. A team in a rebuild that missed the playoffs four years in a row is not indicative of how the GM performed. How long it takes him to get the team back into the playoffs with a decent team is. 4 years is not a long time. Your constant argument that they were at the bottom of the league for 4 years is moot. Detroit drafted first overall a few years in a row before they hit Yzerman. Quebec was 5 in a row at last in the league. Their GM's were not bad they just hadn't put the pieces together yet. The results are not just in the wins and losses. They are in the constant improvement of the team and the players brought in to improve. sitting back and reading the box scores each day doesnt make you an expert. Edited August 18, 2019 by mikeyman109 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mikeyman109 Posted August 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 18, 2019 33 minutes ago, Tracksuit said: Meh. “It is what it is.” He’s a very average gm at all aspects. We could do worse and we could do better. It doesn’t change if the cap crunched team flounders as Many think it will he won’t survive another failure. would have like to see the young all star Boeser signed and treated like a priority instead of bottom pair d and plugs ufas. Doesn't do much to build loyalty when none is shown. you do realize there are two sides in the negotiations and Brock has been a little preoccupied with his father sick and all. Brock is a priority but hockey has not been his priority this past month or so 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post IBatch Posted August 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 18, 2019 53 minutes ago, appleboy said: For those who complain about the team not making the playoffs for the last 4 years. No GM was going to get the mess that was left behind to the playoffs for years. This year is still not a guarantee. Exactly. SN reporting on the JB signing had some of the regular things to say about Benning but also added that he practically started from scratch. Horvat was the only piece he got from the mess the previous regime left (their words). They also said he’s missed the playoffs 4/5 years but at least added why (most news outlets haven’t been nice to JB his first four years, that’s turning around noticeably back East at least since about a year and a half ago). For those that might be worried about some sort of record - well we’ve never missed five but this could be our first time - several teams have not made the playoffs for an entire decade - and a missed bunch 7-9 times in a row. A few of the recent ones EDM, CAR, FLD at the top then Buffalo 8 ...my favourite TO from 2003-4 (7)and they haven’t won a playoff series for quite a stretch too (14 years ha ha ha). Oh yeah ARI is also on the list - some are still counting. Basically since Sundin left TO hasn’t won anything - or since the peak WCE years. How many times have we missed the playoffs since Quin came in total? Not that many really. In fact we might have made the playoffs more then any other team in the league - aside from Detroit - I’m just too lazy to figure it out. Yes we’ve missed four times in a row, and without a GM that drafted as well we’d be missing a lot, lot more. With 31 teams you cant start with a pile of garbage and expect to do anything but nosedive, and building one player per draft max (star quality) it’s going to take an awfully long time to fill out a roster - five years minimum and that’s hitting on each draft. No wonder he’s had to use free agents as much, Vegas got a much better deal then he did and so will Seattle. It took CBJ 7 years to make the playoffs under the old system which was probably kinder then what JB had to work with. Can’t wait to see what he can manage with a mediocre team, and then in a few years at least a good one (as the core matures). 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRussianRocket1994 Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, mikeyman109 said: The fact that you dont understand how a re build is done and that you will miss the playoffs to achieve it is what drives people here nuts. A team in a rebuild that missed the playoffs four years in a row is not indicative of how the GM performed. How long it takes him to get the team back into the playoffs with a decent team is. 4 years is not a long time. Your constant argument that they were at the bottom of the league for 4 years is moot. Detroit drafted first overall a few years in a row before the hit Yzerman. Quebec was 5 in a row at last in the league. Their GM's were not bad they just hadn't put the pieces together yet. The results are not just in the wins and losses. They are in the constant improvement of the team and the players brought in to improve. sitting back and reading he box scores each day doesnt make you an expert. It’s like beating a dead horse with him.....I argued (along with many others) all day yesterday and nothing!! I’ve never seen such a stubborn, ignorant, negative person in my life. Then, he starts playing the victim the last few pages. Exhausting!! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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