Popular Post aGENT Posted August 31, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 31, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, AK_19 said: Sutter's last two seasons were night and day. I think we can just chop it up to injuries. As far as having too many shutdown lines, who cares? It'll free up Horvat and Pete's line for more offense. With only passing reference to it in the article no less Gee, so you're telling me that in likely his worst, most injury plagued season, that he probably played more than a few of his paltry 26 games not at 100%, on a rebuilding team that was struggling with his and other injuries and had one of the worst in the league defensive cores, that he struggled defensively... I'm so glad our crack media is able to share these illuminating nuggets with us all while pushing a devaluing narrative for a guy we should evidently trade... Edited August 31, 2019 by aGENT 1 8 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Good ole Richardson, decent 4th line C, puts up some points and can PK. Is dirt cheap compared to the overpaid guys we currently have. Man what a good signing back then, too bad we just never kept the guy and saved some $ in the meantime. If Gaudette shows he can play well in the NHL this year, which after last year and his College career this is a big season upcoming for him. So if he can show he belongs Sutter is definitely not needed and way overpaid. Hopefully Sutter can be traded, but with us going all in, that likely wont mean till next off season 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solinar Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 This should be more of a learning tool for how to properly use a player. We are obviously not using Sutter in a way to incur success. You can say injuries, etc, but his play across his term here hasn't exactly lived up to the hype of being the Foundational player he was said to be. The warning signs were there in Pittsburgh, they are here as well. Doesn't mean he can't be a decent player, doesn't mean that he can't play a role, just that maybe the role he is being used in right now probably isn't good for him, or for the team. I wouldn't mind him being switched to wing and see what he can do. He is not a distributor, but he can probably be an effective option to match up with face offs, as well as provide support for a developing center.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hairy Kneel Posted August 31, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 31, 2019 We've added good forwards who have more offense. We already have good bottom 6 defensive checkers in Beags annd Roussel. We can afford to part with Sutter. A draft pick or a good prospect or paired with another player (Goldy,?Tanev?) I think we can move on from Sutter. 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpt Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Did anyone consider him a shutdown centre? #fakenews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Yes he’s using last years small sample size - but it’s not like he played with complete chumps when he did either. Injuries have derailed his time with us and likely his career too - which really is too bad. Not sure we need two shutdown lines anymore either - a different more balanced and evenly distributed approach may be better. We definitely have the guns for it now. Things should eventually settle in, but I really hope he’s healthy and we don’t waste Millers abilities running a third line. Would rather we use AG if Sutter goes down and just stick to Beagle as a shutdown guy, and balance the d-zone starts a bit more when Sutter is in the lineup to give his wingers a better chance to score too. Pilates might save the day ha ha ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post luckylager Posted August 31, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 31, 2019 The article only raises one point of value IMO - Do we need two shutdown centres? I feel like the author was desperate for something to write about and saw an easy out with a slanted article based on a really $&!#ty season from a guy who would sacrifice his balls for his team and teammates. I'll address the only valid thought in that tripe - do we need two shutdown centres? Yes Yes we do. Until the season is well underway and we're looking at a Canucks roster that IS actually shutting down good teams regularly, I suppose an argument could be made to bring Gaudette up, move Beagle to 3C and try to form something of a 4th line scoring line with Gaud in the middle.. Maybe? 4 3 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckylager Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 33 minutes ago, Hairy Kneel said: We've added good forwards who have more offense. We already have good bottom 6 defensive checkers in Beags annd Roussel. We can afford to part with Sutter. A draft pick or a good prospect or paired with another player (Goldy,?Tanev?) I think we can move on from Sutter. Oh boy Don't give the proposals guys any ammo "Sutter, Tanev and Goldy for Marner" 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JM_ Posted August 31, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 31, 2019 27 minutes ago, mpt said: Did anyone consider him a shutdown centre? #fakenews honestly when he and Dorsett were together that actually was a legit shut down pairing 7 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post luckylager Posted August 31, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: honestly when he and Dorsett were together that actually was a legit shut down pairing And they were scoring too, Jimmy. I'm biased though. I like SuttyBalls 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Just now, luckylager said: And they were scoring too, Jimmy. I'm biased though. I like SuttyBalls no worries, I'm not judgey. Sutter is an interesting player, he can play the 'shutdown role' but he can also score off the rush, which might be a nice fit with Jake. He's also a good face-off guy and I don't care what the fancy pants stats guys say, possession matters. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckylager Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Just now, Jimmy McGill said: no worries, I'm not judgey. Sutter is an interesting player, he can play the 'shutdown role' but he can also score off the rush, which might be a nice fit with Jake. He's also a good face-off guy and I don't care what the fancy pants stats guys say, possession matters. Uhh, yeah... About that bolded.. Did I mention I like Sutter? Can't say I'm a fan of Jake and Sutter on the same line. Jake actually rushes but totally brain farts when he enters the zone on the RW. Sutter doesn't have the speed to be effective with Jake IMO. Guess that line could work with a winger like Goldy or Baer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpt Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 20 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: honestly when he and Dorsett were together that actually was a legit shut down pairing On the bottom 3 team in the league 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Well I think it is unfair to use that season BUT...…... In saying so I would like to see the last 4 seasons broke down the same way Let's compare him year to year against his peers To me, that would be a much more telling tail 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6string Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 3 hours ago, Alflives said: I stopped reading at Draisatl is a centre. Guy plays wing with McDavid. He’s a terrible centre. I hit the breaks there too, what kind of hockey knowledge does the writer have if he has Draisatl at centre? I went to the comments and read he gets into analytics. I made the right choice by stopping at two paragraghs! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlwaysACanuckFan Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 1 hour ago, luckylager said: I'll address the only valid thought in that tripe - do we need two shutdown centres? Yes Yes we do. Yes, but we could also use two Petterssons too. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckylager Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, AlwaysACanuckFan said: Yes, but we could also use two Petterssons too. I feel the need to scream "false dichotomy" But I'm not gonna yell at you, my bruuh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sbriggs Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 4 hours ago, AK_19 said: Sutter's last two seasons were night and day. I think we can just chop it up to injuries. As far as having too many shutdown lines, who cares? It'll free up Horvat and Pete's line for more offense. gotta have balance, I agree Sutters last to seasons have been night and day so I guess we have to see which Ryan Sutter shows up this season. I have never been a fan hope we trade him or he gets hurt and we give someone else a shot like Adam Gaudette. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossi Vaananen Posted August 31, 2019 Author Share Posted August 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Canuckster86 said: Good ole Richardson, decent 4th line C, puts up some points and can PK. Is dirt cheap compared to the overpaid guys we currently have. Man what a good signing back then, too bad we just never kept the guy and saved some $ in the meantime. If Gaudette shows he can play well in the NHL this year, which after last year and his College career this is a big season upcoming for him. So if he can show he belongs Sutter is definitely not needed and way overpaid. Hopefully Sutter can be traded, but with us going all in, that likely wont mean till next off season Agree with everything you said. 19 goals for Richardson last year, I miss the guy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post EdgarM Posted August 31, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 31, 2019 Sutter provides us with depth and makes the top 6 stronger and provides offense to the bottom 6. Bo will benefit with him in the line up as will whoever he plays with be it Jake or someone else. The lesser talented players will get punted to the press box and we will be a much stronger team overall. I wish people would stop whining about our players before the season even gets started, sheesh. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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