J.I.A.H.N Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 I have been strolling through the posts, this morning, and commenting on some and a question occurred to me, which I would love to hear CDC comments on...... Question #1. Who of Markstrom, Sutter, Tanev or Baertschi do you see, still playing here at the start of the 2021-2022 season (start of the 3rd year from now) ? Personally, I do not see any of them still here then, as age, injury, graduation, and skill level, will all have a part in their departure Qestion #2 and 3. When do they leave? And how? (aka trade or retirement?) * This is not a hate thread, as IMO, they are still on the edge of being core players, and still have decent value, but if we can get a few days out of this thread, we will be closer to training camp, and I am honestly curious. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Not entirely sure what the purpose of this thread is and how it fits into armchair-ing but I could see Tanev and Baertschi maybe still being here. Marky is gone via expansion draft is my guess and Sutter leaves via free agency due to cap and the fact he's never really healthy. Also helps that we have Beagle that can do what he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sbriggs Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 54 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said: I have been strolling through the posts, this morning, and commenting on some and a question occurred to me, which I would love to hear CDC comments on...... Question #1. Who of Markstrom, Sutter, Tanev or Baertschi do you see, still playing here at the start of the 2021-2022 season (start of the 3rd year from now) ? Personally, I do not see any of them still here then, as age, injury, graduation, and skill level, will all have a part in their departure Qestion #2 and 3. When do they leave? And how? (aka trade or retirement?) * This is not a hate thread, as IMO, they are still on the edge of being core players, and still have decent value, but if we can get a few days out of this thread, we will be closer to training camp, and I am honestly curious. I agree with the exception of Marky. Marky could still be here if he continues to get better and Demko stalls abit, I could see giving him a 3 yr deal. Sven really depend on health, if he stays healthy and puts up decent #'s him along with Tanev They should be gone @ TDL. Sutter is the real question, high salary maybe with some retention we can move him to a contender @ TDL but if he gets injured again it could be all irrelevant when it comes to moving him at all 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 (edited) Considering none of them have contracts probably none of them. Tanev probably walks UFA Markstrom to Seattle Sutter I could see eventually being flipped for a prospect with a 50/50 chance of ever playing in the NHL. Not really much to get excited about. Highly doubtful any of them return dividends. Just part of the natural progression of things. Edited August 31, 2019 by hammertime 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Doubt we'd skip a beat if any of them was dealt (even if for picks) or if they left. Tanev would be the hardest to replace though Marky - Demko's heir apparent, barring any faltering on Thatcher's part 25's gone sooner than later Sutter - several candidates competing for his role (Miller, Gaudette) and there's others "below" him in the depth chart (Motte, Beagle) who seem to be capable of doing a better job... he might be on his last legs unless he really proves his worth to start the year Baertschi - ref. Sutter, though he's capable of playing throughout the lineup (probably any of lines 1-3), Ferland/ Pearson/ Miller/ Goldobin are prime guys to replace him. He'd better have a hot start if he wants to keep his role next to Bo with whom he's had chemistry. Tanev - might be the hardest to replace out of the bunch (still a defensive specialist in a position of relative weakness), and given how other teams might be wary of his injury history he could stay the longest out of he 4 strictly because they don't want to risk it or overpay. Unless Tryamkin comes back, Jett Woo blows open the doors with his play or Fantenberg/ Biega wow the team, Tanev's got a spot, until injury takes him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 5 hours ago, janisahockeynut said: I have been strolling through the posts, this morning, and commenting on some and a question occurred to me, which I would love to hear CDC comments on...... Question #1. Who of Markstrom, Sutter, Tanev or Baertschi do you see, still playing here at the start of the 2021-2022 season (start of the 3rd year from now) ? Personally, I do not see any of them still here then, as age, injury, graduation, and skill level, will all have a part in their departure Qestion #2 and 3. When do they leave? And how? (aka trade or retirement?) * This is not a hate thread, as IMO, they are still on the edge of being core players, and still have decent value, but if we can get a few days out of this thread, we will be closer to training camp, and I am honestly curious. None TBH. Markstrom next summer, or this year. All depends on Demko. That's what I project anyway. This player had by far the biggest variables, and value among. Could easily outlast this conversation. Sutter will have his contract played out. Summer 2021. If they keep Markstrom, they may buy him out next summer. Tanev at the end of this year. It might actually be a blessing if we're not in the play off hunt. We can get Millers first back at the deadline? But summer is my prediction, UFA. Baer will probably also play out his contract. I see him as good 3rd liner, who cam play top 6. More speed and skill than Granlund. Might be the guy, with Jake & Gaudette, that gets a 3rd line quasi productive. His contract ends summer 2021, 2 years from now. Eriksson next summer to Ottawa. After bonuses of course... Markstrom or Tanev leaving, most likely, opens up room for a Tyson Barrie contract next year. Which then leaves an obvious Q as how we handle exposing Myers to Seattle. But a worthwhile tradeoff IMO. Add cap from Eriksson, crosses fingers, and we actually have room to manoeuvre? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baer. Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 5 hours ago, janisahockeynut said: I have been strolling through the posts, this morning, and commenting on some and a question occurred to me, which I would love to hear CDC comments on...... Question #1. Who of Markstrom, Sutter, Tanev or Baertschi do you see, still playing here at the start of the 2021-2022 season (start of the 3rd year from now) ? Personally, I do not see any of them still here then, as age, injury, graduation, and skill level, will all have a part in their departure Qestion #2 and 3. When do they leave? And how? (aka trade or retirement?) * This is not a hate thread, as IMO, they are still on the edge of being core players, and still have decent value, but if we can get a few days out of this thread, we will be closer to training camp, and I am honestly curious. Okay I'll shoot #1: A. Markstrom, in the last year of his contract, really depends how good Demko is. Will he be ready by 20-21? Markstrom could also be a candidate for Seattle in the expansion draft if Benning resigns him for 2+ years. I don't see him being on the team longer than that. By 2021 DiPietro should be ready for the backup role. B. Sutter, expires July 2021. I expect him to remain on the team for the entire 2019-20 season. And perhaps being traded with retention in 2020-21 or being bought out. Either way he's gone by 2021. C. Tanev, last year of contract, probably Canucks' best trade piece. Their likelyhood of making the playoffs by the 2020 trade deadline will depend on if he's traded. Otherwise I could easily see him walk in free agency and cash out if he has a good year. Likely gone by 2021. D. Baertschi, 2 more year left at $3.36M. Budget contract will look even better when the cap goes up. I could see him playing out his contract here. He is a solid 3rd liner who will put up 40 points consistently. But I feel he will be pushed out in favour of younger players like Hoglander and Podkolzin who will likely be on the roster by 2021-22. As I said Baer will likely play out his contract and walk in free agency in 2021, if he is not traded by then. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 I think Baertschi is the only one who might be around because he's the youngest of the four and fits the closest with our current core. I'd imagine the other three will be lost either via trade of free agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 The future of Markstrom is the most interesting of the 4 imo. I think that the future of goal tending for the Canucks is being misread. Sure, it was Bennings hope that Demko might one day become the starting goal tender for the Canucks but in no way is this a foregone conclusion. It all depends on how Markstrom and Demko (and DiPietro for that matter) play over the next number of years. Benning has set up the team to have internal competition and until circumstance forces Benning to make a decision, he will let the competition play out. Benning has always been a wait and see guy and he doesn't make his final decisions until he has to. When will Benning be forced to make a decision? Marky's contract is up at the end of next season and he'll be 30. I would expect him to be extended because it isn't likely that 1 year of backing up will make Demko a starter. But come expansion the following year, only one of them will be protected will be the starter long term and who will be moving along. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris12345 Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 I am going to say Tanev might be the only one left in the league. Everyone else is washed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyman109 Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 15 hours ago, Baer. said: Okay I'll shoot #1: A. Markstrom, in the last year of his contract, really depends how good Demko is. Will he be ready by 20-21? Markstrom could also be a candidate for Seattle in the expansion draft if Benning resigns him for 2+ years. I don't see him being on the team longer than that. By 2021 DiPietro should be ready for the backup role. B. Sutter, expires July 2021. I expect him to remain on the team for the entire 2019-20 season. And perhaps being traded with retention in 2020-21 or being bought out. Either way he's gone by 2021. C. Tanev, last year of contract, probably Canucks' best trade piece. Their likelyhood of making the playoffs by the 2020 trade deadline will depend on if he's traded. Otherwise I could easily see him walk in free agency and cash out if he has a good year. Likely gone by 2021. D. Baertschi, 2 more year left at $3.36M. Budget contract will look even better when the cap goes up. I could see him playing out his contract here. He is a solid 3rd liner who will put up 40 points consistently. But I feel he will be pushed out in favour of younger players like Hoglander and Podkolzin who will likely be on the roster by 2021-22. As I said Baer will likely play out his contract and walk in free agency in 2021, if he is not traded by then. I agree with a lot of this.I dont see any of them on the team at that time. A Marky depends on Demko B Sutter will probably have to play out his contract or buyout , i dont see a trade market for him even with retention unless he has a compete year of 82 games and scores 20. C Tanev, i can see a trade possibility for him to a contender at the deadline if we are not competing for a spot otherwise we keep him. Maybe we sign him to another contract but he most likely walks away in FA D Baer. I think he has already gotten more of a career in Vancouver than he would have almost anywhere else. The lack of quality in the top 6 here allowed him a much longer look than he would have gotten in a solid competing team. I think the arrival of Podkolzin pushes him out. I am still not sold that Hoglander makes this team although i hope he proves me wrong. Again i will say it, the competition for roster spots is a good thing. Maybe just not good for Baertschi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 21 hours ago, janisahockeynut said: I have been strolling through the posts, this morning, and commenting on some and a question occurred to me, which I would love to hear CDC comments on...... Question #1. Who of Markstrom, Sutter, Tanev or Baertschi do you see, still playing here at the start of the 2021-2022 season (start of the 3rd year from now) ? Personally, I do not see any of them still here then, as age, injury, graduation, and skill level, will all have a part in their departure Qestion #2 and 3. When do they leave? And how? (aka trade or retirement?) * This is not a hate thread, as IMO, they are still on the edge of being core players, and still have decent value, but if we can get a few days out of this thread, we will be closer to training camp, and I am honestly curious. Good topic Jan. They all play out the contracts with us, and then move on. As the Leafs fall (get it ... fall? ) to the bottom of the league they sign each of Marky, Tanev, Sutter, and Baer in hopes of appeasing their wilting (ha ha) fans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted September 1, 2019 Author Share Posted September 1, 2019 I see it as a 2 pronged issue #1. Sutter and Baertschi, although still decent players are often injured, and aging. ( This league is becoming a 20 to 30 year old league for the average player) I still think they contribute and have skill, but at some point, you have to move forward with your younger players as there will be a critical tipping point somewhere in the not to distant future. I think that is when you want to have your younger players game ready, so at some time, you have to move on from the older ones. I think that time is coming soon for these 2 players, or at least it should. #2. Markstrom and Tanev are completely a different argument, as they are still better than average, still have good value, and at this moment, have no one behind them that can take their place....so moving them is a little further down the line. I am thinking 3 to 4 years down the line at this moment. I will say this. Unlike a lot of other posters, I think all 4 have decent value and could play on practically any team in the league, in some F/T role. My only question is, for how long? So, Benning may want to keep them and run out their contracts, and there would be nothing wrong with that, but I think there will be pressure to clear cap, which might play into Benning's long and short term plans For instance...…"IF" Tryamkin comes back, where does he find enough cap to sign him, after re-signing Boeser and Goldobin. These will be questions asked if and when.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 i’m sure that benning and his management team have these things figured out. they are smart people with a vision of the team’s future. anything we can think, they’re had the same thoughts and have plans going forward. just my thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted September 4, 2019 Author Share Posted September 4, 2019 On 9/1/2019 at 2:25 PM, smithers joe said: i’m sure that benning and his management team have these things figured out. they are smart people with a vision of the team’s future. anything we can think, they’re had the same thoughts and have plans going forward. just my thought. Totally get that Benning and Co would be on this Joe, but since this is a discussion forum, I thought it would be interesting to discuss What I am looking for, is what you and the rest of CDC think is the timing of any of these moves, or do we simply let them walk, or do we stop building? Again, I would be shocked if Benning was not on top of it...….just looking for discussion on what you think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 On 9/2/2019 at 4:28 AM, janisahockeynut said: Baertschi, although still decent players are often injured, and aging Baertschi is young? 26 is still prime aged, if not a prime performer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 All listed gone. Aside from the core (Bo, Petey, Hughes, BB, Demko...), everybody else should be made available at the right price. Draft well and have young prospects come in on cheap ELCs to manage the cap. Hopefully Canucks are able to add 1 prospect per year or every 2nd year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenspear Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 (edited) Lol, thought this thread was about turnovers. "Boy, do I have some sh*t to say!" Marky, probably gone in expansion draft. Sutter, traded or gone by FA Tanev, nope. He's gonna be 30 when his contract expires, and we have too many promising young D in the pipeline. He'd have to have a career year, or need to take a drastic paycut for us to consider resigning. Baer, I hope he sticks around. He's a good player with a good contract for a 40-50 point 2nd/3rd liner. I really think it depends if his concussion issues rear up again. Edited September 4, 2019 by Chickenspear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 On 8/31/2019 at 7:37 PM, janisahockeynut said: I have been strolling through the posts, this morning, and commenting on some and a question occurred to me, which I would love to hear CDC comments on...... Question #1. Who of Markstrom, Sutter, Tanev or Baertschi do you see, still playing here at the start of the 2021-2022 season (start of the 3rd year from now) ? Personally, I do not see any of them still here then, as age, injury, graduation, and skill level, will all have a part in their departure Qestion #2 and 3. When do they leave? And how? (aka trade or retirement?) * This is not a hate thread, as IMO, they are still on the edge of being core players, and still have decent value, but if we can get a few days out of this thread, we will be closer to training camp, and I am honestly curious. Markstrom - stay as a decent backup for Demko. Sure we could just sign some random UFA but it'd be nice to have a smooth transition. He may still be playing 30-40 games well then if Demko isn't ready. Sutter - Traded the season before ideally at the TD or leaves via UFA as long as Gaudette is ready, otherwise I think JB values his leadership too much. We do need a veteran up front who has played in the playoffs before as much as I think he's expendable. Tanev - I'd like us to re-sign him to a relatively cheap 2-3M deal at the end of his current contract to play out his days on our bottom pairing. Smart defensive guy who we can pair alongside the rookies Hughes and Juolevi as they make their move up the lineup. Baertschi - In a now-revamped top-6 full of gritty forwards it'll be nice to keep a purely skilled guy like Baertschi but depends how he bounces back from injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted September 8, 2019 Author Share Posted September 8, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, DownUndaCanuck said: Markstrom - stay as a decent backup for Demko. Sure we could just sign some random UFA but it'd be nice to have a smooth transition. He may still be playing 30-40 games well then if Demko isn't ready. Sutter - Traded the season before ideally at the TD or leaves via UFA as long as Gaudette is ready, otherwise I think JB values his leadership too much. We do need a veteran up front who has played in the playoffs before as much as I think he's expendable. Tanev - I'd like us to re-sign him to a relatively cheap 2-3M deal at the end of his current contract to play out his days on our bottom pairing. Smart defensive guy who we can pair alongside the rookies Hughes and Juolevi as they make their move up the lineup. Baertschi - In a now-revamped top-6 full of gritty forwards it'll be nice to keep a purely skilled guy like Baertschi but depends how he bounces back from injury. I think that is a very reasonable conclusion, and it could work. I say could as, I am having trouble with the logistics of this from a cap and player advancement perspective. It is how I see it in a perfect world...…..but for this #1 Our Cap, IMO the team needs to keep on graduating prospects, just so we can maintain cap space. I have a hard time seeing Markstrom or Tanev taking less money, as their present contracts are antiquated in regards to what they would get today, if negotiating in todays market....I think they will get raises on their next ones, I do not see that fitting into the teams cap. Marky next year, then Demko the year after....I don't think Benning can risk having Markstrom locked up at a bigger cost, then Demko coming in and asking for a bigger contract the next year. Especially if he out plays Marky. As for Tanev, sure he fits in play wise, but with Myers, Stecher, Tryamkin?, Woo, and who knows possibly Hughes coming over to that side, I am not sure how that all fits long term? ( I know people say Hughes? But it depends on how Juolevi, Rathbone, and others play. I just don't see a long term position here for Tanev, especially at an inflated salary. But. I could see it happening for a discount.....but that cap is going to put pressure on the veterans, as our young core come off their ELC's Sutter, I see an argument to keep as of today, but I think he is replaceable for cheaper, especially in 2 years. Do you think he gets more next contract? Or more......it doesn't really matter about how much, as I think his spot needs to be filled by a young guy, preferably on a ELC Baertschi, I think is a decent player, when healthy, but with all our current LW depth, I think he is expendable. Just my opinion, but I just can't imagine him in a deep playoff run, especially down the road 2 years......imagine him in a 20 game playoff run...…….can't see it, myself, especially with our young players developing, and pushing, but if Pearson and Leivo both regress, well I guess their is a spot???? That is my 2 bits worth for what it is worth...………. Note...…...I am not necessarily talking moving them immediately, but I do think they deserve some consideration within the next year or so Edited September 8, 2019 by janisahockeynut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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