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22 minutes ago, Googlie said:

Hey, I didnt call you stupid - I have followed many of your posts since I started reading, then participating on these boards and find you to be knowledgeable and insightful.

I was decrying the argument that there was correlation between dollar value of a contract and goals and hits.

Cheers Google, and my apologies, I may have read your quote wrong.

I just find any argument to keep a player who is outperformed by others on so many other levels.. especially if they have youth and potential on their side.

Motte is an excellent pk’r, Bartschi when healthy eats mins like the Cookie Monster, Leivo got many chances short handed last season too.. their are others who need that opportunity,. the same one that Eriksson is displacing them from.

We have lots of prospects ready to turn the corner on the upside, where I see LE in a tail spin.

I also think LE was displace by our acquisitions this Summer.. we have so much to choose from.

To keep him for a pk specialist just seems redundant.

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20 minutes ago, cripplereh said:

this is why you train others as it is preseason

 

I have said that is the only part of his game that seems decent but does not mean another player can't take that spot and do a good job

 

one decent thing is not a reason to keep a player

I agree, but it's not going so well for Gaudette (as a potential Sutter replacement (he was the goat on one of LA's pp goals when he left his man to double team across the rink, only for his man to score.  But everyone starts somewhere.  I am sure Loui wasn't born a skilled penalty killer, that's why we have exhibition games, but I haven't seen anyone step up to the plate.  I was hoping for Jake (remembering the Bure - Courtnall years where PK speed absolutely deterred the opposition forwards from crossing the blue line at times)  but Green doesn't seem interested in trying that (although he did when coaching in Utuca)

 

So who is auditioning for Loui's spot on the PK?

 

 

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1 hour ago, stawns said:

because JB makes sure he treats the players like human beings, not just assets.  That's why he sent Gags to the Marlies and not the Comets.

Gags wasnt going to cost us 18m in cap spaceover the next 3 yrs. Apples and oranges.

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On 9/20/2019 at 4:49 PM, fanfor42 said:

Could be a thread topic. Let's see:

 

Petey      Henrik

Boes.      Daniel

Horvat.   Kesler

Miller.     Samuelsson

Ferland.  Burrows

Baertschi Raymond

Pearson Hansen

Sutter  Malhotra

Virtanen. Torres

Eriksson  Tambellini

Beagle.   Higgins

Leivo.    Glass

Roussel Lapierre

 

Edler.   Edler

Meyers. Salo

Tanev  Tanev

Hughes  Ehrhoff

Benn. Bieksa

Stecher. Rome

 

Markstrom. Luongo

Demko.   Schneider

 

 

In my opinion the D is not nearly as good nor is the goaltending. But an argument could be made that the forwards are not that far off. 

Your missing Hamhuis.  He was unreal for us till he got hurt trying to take out Lucic.  

The 2011 defense was the best defense this franchise has ever had.  We need Joulevi, Woo and Hughes to be studs to even get close to that team. 

 

 

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16 minutes ago, 73 Percent said:

Gags wasnt going to cost us 18m in cap spaceover the next 3 yrs. Apples and oranges.

not really,JB has a long history with LE, he's not going to screw him over.

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1 hour ago, Googlie said:

With the departure of Granny,  Motte and Eriksson are the 2 forwards with most PK time.  Motte already plays more pk time than Loui, so the real question is " who will replace LE's pk shifts"

Leivo, Pearson, Miller and Ferland all had miniscule time killing penalties last season with their respective clubs, and the 2 most used after Granny, Motte and LE were Schaller and Roussel.  So do you keep LE around at least until Roussel gets back?

Good point, good question

But, yes...…….I do not see Eriksson leaving immediately

As I put in my original, roster's for the start of the season

Eriksson is there then, and after Roussel comes back, and after the TDL

He is not useless, by any means

Just not worth 6 M...……..as everyone knows

In saying that.....I could see him gone

But only if there is a need

The question is …...what is the need?

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Regardless I think we should waive LE and hope that for some reason he will leave Millions on the table and not report and decide to retire or terminate his contract.

 

If he does that we save 6m in cap space, if he doesn't we bury 1m and let him ride the bus, maybe he gets a call up during the year when injuries happen.

 

Could he play in our bottom 6,sure. All he really does is kind of a decent job on the pk to some people. I just dont want the floater on our NHL roster period

 

But, like many things in CanuckVille I don't always get what I want haha!

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On September 20, 2019 at 5:49 PM, fanfor42 said:

Could be a thread topic. Let's see:

 

Petey      Henrik

Boes.      Daniel

Horvat.   Kesler

Miller.     Samuelsson

Ferland.  Burrows

Baertschi Raymond

Pearson Hansen

Sutter  Malhotra

Virtanen. Torres

Eriksson  Tambellini

Beagle.   Higgins

Leivo.    Glass

Roussel Lapierre

 

Edler.   Edler

Meyers. Salo

Tanev  Tanev

Hughes  Ehrhoff

Benn. Bieksa

Stecher. Rome

 

Markstrom. Luongo

Demko.   Schneider

 

 

In my opinion the D is not nearly as good nor is the goaltending. But an argument could be made that the forwards are not that far off. 

Like someone said your missing hammer but also stech is decent but his no Rome...maybe in a year or two, woo or tram will be our new Rome and then watch out

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9 minutes ago, RowdyCanuck said:

Like someone said your missing hammer but also stech is decent but his no Rome...maybe in a year or two, woo or tram will be our new Rome and then watch out

Well, that kind of makes up for Higgins being rated as Beagle...

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On 9/22/2019 at 5:59 PM, Samgagner'sface said:

I wonder who the scapegoat will be when Loui is gone?

poor LE can cry in his $36 millions poor guy

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On 9/22/2019 at 5:59 PM, Samgagner'sface said:

I wonder who the scapegoat will be when Loui is gone?

I think as we progress out of the depths of the bottom dwellers, there will be many players dropping by the way side...……...

Always someone who could be playing better...………..

Scapegoats? No! Replaceable players, yeah, but scapegoats, no, I don't think so

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Ferland-Petey-Boes

Baer-Horvat-Miller

Pearson-Sutter-Gaudette

Leivo-Beagle-Eriksson

Motte

 

Edler-Myers

Hughes-Tanev

Benn-Stecher

Biega

 

Goldy/Schaller/Virt waived. 

 

Just what I would do if I was the boss. 

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Ferland Pettersson Boeser

Baertschi Horvat Miller

Pearson Sutter Gaudette

Leivo Beagle Virtanen

Motte

Roussell IR

 

Edler Myers

Hughes Tanev

Benn Stecher

Fantenburg Biega

 

Markstrom

Demko

 

When Roussell comes back, waive one of Fantenburg or Biega.

 

That's a pretty complete looking roster, barring injuries. Hopefully no waiver wire players are plucked, except Eriksson lol

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5 hours ago, Googlie said:

I agree, but it's not going so well for Gaudette (as a potential Sutter replacement (he was the goat on one of LA's pp goals when he left his man to double team across the rink, only for his man to score.  But everyone starts somewhere.  I am sure Loui wasn't born a skilled penalty killer, that's why we have exhibition games, but I haven't seen anyone step up to the plate.  I was hoping for Jake (remembering the Bure - Courtnall years where PK speed absolutely deterred the opposition forwards from crossing the blue line at times)  but Green doesn't seem interested in trying that (although he did when coaching in Utuca)

 

So who is auditioning for Loui's spot on the PK?

 

 

I would love to see Virtanen given the opportunity to grow into a great PK'er. I think that the team would be much more balanced using him in that role. If he could do it, I would then think that Beagle, Sutter, Motte and Virtanen would provide plenty of PK ability. Horvat and Pearson can be used if one of those other four are in the box. No need to keep LE around just for PK.

 

However, as you say it doesn't look like JV is going to be given the chance by Green. So regarding whether LE is going to stay as a PK specialist...I am expecting JB to waive Biega and Schaller and to run with 14F and 7D, including Eriksson and Goldobin on the roster. Until Roussel returns, and depending on who makes the lineup on any given night, the PK forwards would be drawn from: Beagle, Sutter, Motte, Eriksson, Horvat (and perhaps a little of Pearson, Virtanen)

 

Once Roussel returns, and if Green still doesn't want to grow Virtanen in the PK role, I would like to see Horvat taken off PK duties and stick with PK pairings of:

Motte-Beagle and Roussel-Sutter

 

I also expect that JB will have tried his hardest to trade Loui before Roussel returns to the lineup.

 

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1 hour ago, Dombrova22 said:

Ferland-Petey-Boes

Baer-Horvat-Miller

Pearson-Sutter-Gaudette

Leivo-Beagle-Eriksson

Motte

 

Edler-Myers

Hughes-Tanev

Benn-Stecher

Biega

 

Goldy/Schaller/Virt waived. 

 

Just what I would do if I was the boss. 

If Virtanen is waived, he is picked up by the first team in the queue.  Goldy... hard to say, maybe 50-50.

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3 hours ago, Dombrova22 said:

Ferland-Petey-Boes

Baer-Horvat-Miller

Pearson-Sutter-Gaudette

Leivo-Beagle-Eriksson

Motte

 

Edler-Myers

Hughes-Tanev

Benn-Stecher

Biega

 

Goldy/Schaller/Virt waived. 

 

Just what I would do if I was the boss. 

Leivo, Motte, Eriksson, Beagle but waive Virtanen? And Goldobin for that matter?

 

Let's be thankful you're not the boss then, :D

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On 9/23/2019 at 5:53 AM, 10pavelbure96 said:

Lol are you saying that Eriksson is the difference between winning and losing lol????????

Wow just wow

 

Loui Eriksson is a bum. His shelf life is over. Some players just fall off a cliff. Hes not the first nor will he be the last.

 

Examples, Jonathan cheechoo, Scott Gomez, etc etc.

During PP it's easier to score. Take away the best PK in the team will inevitable lead to losses. Some speak of JV as PK. But then you have others talking about a possible hamster brain. That will lead to bad judgement calls and losses. 

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5 hours ago, BrockBoester said:

Leivo, Motte, Eriksson, Beagle but waive Virtanen? And Goldobin for that matter?

 

Let's be thankful you're not the boss then, :D

Motte and Beagle aren't going anywhere either.

 

Schaller, Goldobin, Eriksson... maybe  Biega (but unlikely IMO).

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