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1 minute ago, theo5789 said:

Worth a look. But I still personally believe that we will be sending down Gaudette still until we trade Sutter or an injury occurs.

I agree that’s the most likely scenario, but does that give us the best team and best chance to win? 

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6 minutes ago, Alflives said:

I agree, but I think that it’s wrong.  

When we finally have the depth to go this route of "asset management", it's a positive sign for the team.

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4 minutes ago, Alflives said:

I agree that’s the most likely scenario, but does that give us the best team and best chance to win? 

That's for Green and Benning to decide. I think for long term success that it would be the right decision to make.

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2 minutes ago, theo5789 said:

When we finally have the depth to go this route of "asset management", it's a positive sign for the team.

I'd love to see a venn diagram of those now preaching "he earned it" and those crying about asset management a cpl seasons ago.

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22 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Baer, Gaud, Sutter?

If Gaud stays, this is absolutely the logic outcome...

Baer and Gaud have shown some chemistry and Sutter is probably needed for the face offs on that line...

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I'm going with

 

Ferland-EP-BB

Miller-Bo-Pearson

Baertschi-Sutter-Virtanen

Erikson-Beagle-Leivo

Motte Goldobin

 

Edler-Meyers

Tanev-Hughes

Benn -Stecher

Biega

 

Makstrom

Demko

 

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15 hours ago, Rush17 said:

Weisbrod mentioned we may see a veteran player who might surprise us hit the waiver wire.

 

Could be Loui. Could it also be Sutter? If Sutter got claimed it would free up 4.35m in cap space. 

Eriksson does not deserve to be with this club,. He can go and work on reinventing himself in Utica.

Guadette is the exact opposite,. You can not hold back a race horse that wants to race..

playing at the NHL level IS crucial for his development now, not Utica.

was I the only one who saw a look of disbelief in Greens eyes after some of Erikssons shifts?

the game has exited his mind and body.

 

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5 hours ago, Squamfan said:

Great a 15 million forth line

Beagle and Sutter are good players and the type of players this team needs.

 

Sutter is a 3rd line player. The only reason he plays on the 4th is because, for the first time in almost a decade, we have depth. So making a blanket statement moaning about an expensive 4th line just shows a lack of understanding imo.

 

However, we all agree the Loui contract is a boat anchor.

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32 minutes ago, stawns said:

I'd love to see a venn diagram of those now preaching "he earned it" and those crying about asset management a cpl seasons ago.

It might just be a nice fat circle!

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4 hours ago, Chris12345 said:

Asset management trumps performance.

Up until about a week ago I would have agreed with you 100%.

 

But the way Gaudette has shown he can contribute to team offense, I no longer think that is the case with him.  If the Canucks keep him up and they end up losing either Schaller or Goldy on waivers, does it even matter?

 

I would say No. There is other depth in Utica to call up if required.

 

Don't get me wrong. I would prefer it if both Schaller and Goldy got waived and both made it to Utica. They can continue to work on their games and come back up when injuries occur.

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2 hours ago, Gassy Jack said:

Waive Baer? 

Boys with new toys... you guys think Leivo and Pearson are1st/2nd liners? Theres a reason they were in the doghouse and we got them for cheap... I would be happy if they can keep it up, but I'm not sold. Neither has a higher ceiling than Baer

Baer and Gaudette have totally clicked offensively.  

 

We know Green said he wanted strong pairs so now he has:

Petey / Boeser

Horvat / JT Miller

Baer / Gaudette

 

Extra offense is exactly what this team has needed in forever. Early on in pre season I thought Baer really would have to prove himself again due to all the team depth. He has totally done that and we need him.

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39 minutes ago, stawns said:

I'd love to see a venn diagram of those now preaching "he earned it" and those crying about asset management a cpl seasons ago.

I wonder how many of these same people also complain about how there's no youth and real NHL depth in Utica as well.

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14 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

Eriksson does not deserve to be with this club,. He can go and work on reinventing himself in Utica.

Guadette is the exact opposite,. You can not hold back a race horse that wants to race..

playing at the NHL level IS crucial for his development now, not Utica.

was I the only one who saw a look of disbelief in Greens eyes after some of Erikssons shifts?

the game has exited his mind and body.

 

as I come from a horse racing background, that's actually completely untrue and holding a horse back that wants to open up is [probably the most common strategy.  You rein him in, keep him at the back of the pack until the last leg of the race and then you let him go after the rest of the pack has tired out.

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13 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

Eriksson does not deserve to be with this club,. He can go and work on reinventing himself in Utica.

Guadette is the exact opposite,. You can not hold back a race horse that wants to race..

playing at the NHL level IS crucial for his development now, not Utica.

was I the only one who saw a look of disbelief in Greens eyes after some of Erikssons shifts?

the game has exited his mind and body.

 

I also think Green has reached the end of his patience for Goldy as well. It was written all over his face after a Goldy give away. 

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3 minutes ago, theo5789 said:

I wonder how many of these same people also complain about how there's no youth and real NHL depth in Utica as well.

a three circle venn diagram.......that's some good teacher talk right there!

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58 minutes ago, theo5789 said:

Worth a look. But I still personally believe that we will be sending down Gaudette still until we trade Sutter or an injury occurs.

But we need Gaudette for his offense and Sutter for his defense imo.  

 

Two good options are:

Baer  Gaudette  Leivo

Sutter  Beagle  Eriksson

 

OR

 

Baer Gaudette  Sutter

Leivo  Beagle  Eriksson

 

The Eriksson spot can be filled by any of Motte or Virtanen if JB/Green have the cojones to waive little things Loui.

 

PS: I never knew until now how cojones was spelt lol.

 

co·jo·nes
/kəˈhōˌnāz,-ˌnās/
noun
 
  1. INFORMALNORTH AMERICAN
    a man's testicles.
    • courage; guts.
      "he does not have the cojones to kill a flea"
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16 minutes ago, stawns said:

as I come from a horse racing background, that's actually completely untrue and holding a horse back that wants to open up is [probably the most common strategy.  You rein him in, keep him at the back of the pack until the last leg of the race and then you let him go after the rest of the pack has tired out.

Loui doesn’t look tired to you?

i think we’re at that part of your race Stawnzy.

He’s actually playing at a retirement level.

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18 minutes ago, Kanukfanatic said:

Up until about a week ago I would have agreed with you 100%.

 

But the way Gaudette has shown he can contribute to team offense, I no longer think that is the case with him.  If the Canucks keep him up and they end up losing either Schaller or Goldy on waivers, does it even matter?

 

I would say No. There is other depth in Utica to call up if required.

 

Don't get me wrong. I would prefer it if both Schaller and Goldy got waived and both made it to Utica. They can continue to work on their games and come back up when injuries occur.

Lots of good points. I agree with Schaller he can go. Goldy needs to stay based on asset management.

 

The other thing is the likelyhood of a forward getting hurt (Baer, Sutter) is very high so put Gaud down for asset management and bring him up in 6-10 games once Baer is hurt for the season.

 

Unless of course they waive 21!

 

They still have to do something about the cap.

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3 minutes ago, Kanukfanatic said:

But we need Gaudette for his offense and Sutter for his defense imo.  

 

Two good options are:

Baer  Gaudette  Leivo

Sutter  Beagle  Eriksson

 

OR

 

Baer Gaudette  Sutter

Leivo  Beagle  Eriksson

 

The Eriksson spot can be filled by any of Motte or Virtanen if JB/Green have the cojones to waive little things Loui.

 

PS: I never knew until now how cojones was spelt lol.

 

co·jo·nes
/kəˈhōˌnāz,-ˌnās/
noun
 
  1. INFORMALNORTH AMERICAN
    a man's testicles.
    • courage; guts.
      "he does not have the cojones to kill a flea"

I think the writing is on the wall for Sutter because of his cap. I thought he would be dealt next offseason after hopefully a healthy season, but Gaudette's play has really changed things. They might take lesser value. Of course Baertschi/Leivo/whoever could also be traded to make space as well, but Sutter is a center and holds value because of that. They had Gaudette out a lot on PKs in preseason also likely as a look to how he can handle that role (perhaps should they lose a respectable PK center).

 

Certainly will be interesting how things play out. There's really no right or wrong way to go about it.

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