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1 minute ago, canuck73_3 said:

Because he is defensively stronger than Baertschi but offensively weaker than Leivo who is a better overall player at this point than Baertschi. 

Or the owner is forcing JB to keep Loui, and Green is telling the owner that Loui might be forced on him, but he’s not putting him on the ice.  

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Just now, DeNiro said:

Bingo.

 

Its BS reasoning. Eriksson brings nothing to the roster that the players being dressed can’t.

 

If Baertschi clears I guarantee he’ll be back as soon as this team fails to get depth scoring.

Hope so, but seems like a ways away. Roussel will be back. So unless Gaud isn't getting ice time they may opt to send him to Utica after a ceremonial run to start the season. Schaller is likely the next waiver cut, then it should be LE followed by Motte

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2 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:

Because he is defensively stronger than Baertschi but offensively weaker than Leivo who is a better overall player at this point than Baertschi. 

And Baertschi is a better offensive player than Leivo.

 

Dont you want a balance of the two? 

 

Right now I see a lot more “defensively responsible” players than guys that can put the puck in the net.

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3 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said:

I just said how it's a better fit. Leivo can't score at the rate Baertschi can. Baertschi makes the team more offensively dynamic. His presence on the 3rd line means that line is more productive, which means opposing teams will either be forced to play their 3rd pairing guys against a legitimate offensive force in Baertschi, or they'll have to spread out their D, leaving our top six more opportunity. 

 

3 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

Defensively responsible does not equal the goals we need.

 

Is Eriksson going to score alongside Sutter or Beagle? Not likely.

 

If Baertschi is so weak defensively, pair him with a strong defensive player. That’s how you balance lines. I guarantee Baertschi does more to drive offence on a line than Eriksson will.

How did you guys think we were going to get "tougher" this year? How about, lets replace the soft offense players with tougher offensive players. ::D

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2 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

Defensively responsible does not equal the goals we need.

 

Is Eriksson going to score alongside Sutter or Beagle? Not likely.

 

If Baertschi is so weak defensively, pair him with a strong defensive player. That’s how you balance lines. I guarantee Baertschi does more to drive offence on a line than Eriksson will.

It simply came down to Eriksson and Leivo are more versatile. Again Eriksson 11g 29pts which he did mostly playing alongside (gasp Sutter and Beagle and bouncing up and down 4 lines), Leivo 14g 24pts>>>>>>Baertschi 9g 14pts and both are also better 200ft players. It shouldn't be this hard to figure out. 

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Just now, Hutton Wink said:

Who parrots who?  Same as the Corrado Catastrophe, "asset management" was an endless chant, both on here and in the usual-suspect media.  Countless examples.

Sven is a rpoven NHL caliber player. Frankie wasn't he was just overhyped. Never did anything with his career since...Oh ya that's cause the Laffs go a hold of him haha!

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I think something to consider is that when everything else is relatively even

players that can play multiple positions will and should be given consideration

Consider that most Centermen can play one or both wings usually

 

LE...……...lw/rw

schaller…...c/lw

Motte...…...lw/c/rw

Sutter...…...c/rw

Miller...……lw/c/rw

Ferland,,,,,,,lw/rw

Pettersson....lw/c

Virtanen...….lw/rw

 

Horvat...…….C

Beagle...…….C

Gaudette...….C

Boeser……….RW

Pearson...…..LW

Baertschi...….LW

Roussel...…..LW

Leivo………..LW

Goldobin...….LW

 

Just something to think about

 

 

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Just now, canuck73_3 said:

Baertschi can't play a full season so hos scoring rate is irrelevant at this point. 

You're speaking as though his 26 games last season is somehow indicative of his overall attendance record. The season before he played 53 games. The year before that he played 68. The year before that he played 69. Him only playing 26 games again next year is as improbable as him playing close to the full season. 

 

If we're only going by last year, then why wasn't it Sutter that was sent down? He played the same number of games as Baer, only netted 6 points during those 26 games, and was in direct competition with Gaudette for a roster spot this year. Since we're apparently completely disregarding projection, Gaudette doubled Sutter's production last year. 

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Just now, DeNiro said:

And Baertschi is a better offensive player than Leivo.

 

Dont you want a balance of the two? 

 

Right now I see a lot more “defensively responsible” players than guys that can put the puck in the net.

And Baer is actually a pretty decent 200 foot player.  This whole LE staying up here scenario reeks of our owner forcing JB’s hand.  Green might be forced to have Loui on the team, but I’m thinking he’s not going to play him.  

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3 minutes ago, Canuckster86 said:

Brock hasn't proven to play a full year either...only 2 years but still. Tanev has never done that, he continually gets injured or has bad luck and gets hurt blocking shots etc. Sutter hasn't been healthy since becoming a Canuck

Brock is a legit 25+ goal score Baer is not, Tanev is a legit top 4 defenseman Baer is not, Sutter is a proven top 9 C and defensive PK specialist Baer is not. 

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1 minute ago, DeNiro said:

And Baertschi is a better offensive player than Leivo.

 

Dont you want a balance of the two? 

 

Right now I see a lot more “defensively responsible” players than guys that can put the puck in the net.

They won't score and will still let goals against. it is just a flat out bad move. You simply waive Schaller instead. Give Sven 20 games and see what he can do in our new "upgraded" line up. If he then is not doing much you look to trade or then waive him imo. 

 

Personally I think Sven has earned that right over LE or Schaller in terms of getting a longer leash/look on our NHL roster

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1 minute ago, 48MPHSlapShot said:

You're speaking as though his 26 games last season is somehow indicative of his overall attendance record. The season before he played 53 games. The year before that he played 68. The year before that he played 69. Him only playing 26 games again next year is as improbable as him playing close to the full season. 

 

If we're only going by last year, then why wasn't it Sutter that was sent down? He played the same number of games as Baer, only netted 6 points during those 26 games, and was in direct competition with Gaudette for a roster spot this year. Since we're apparently completely disregarding projection, Gaudette doubled Sutter's production last year. 

Sutter is a proven top 9 C defensive and PK specialist and Gaudette and Baer aren't. You really love comparing apples to oranges 

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1 minute ago, canuck73_3 said:

Brock is a legit 25+ goal score Baer is not, Tanev is a legit top 4 defenseman Baer is not, Sutter is a proven top 9 C and defensive PK specialist Baer is not. 

If they can be healthy how helpful are they to the team tho?

 

We will never agree on what the team has chosen to do that is quite clear. We all have our own opinions, I just think we need more scoring depth vs veteran so called pk guys who play bottom 6 but dont hit or score

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1 minute ago, canuck73_3 said:

Brock is a legit 25+ goal score Baer is not, Tanev is a legit top 4 defenseman Baer is not, Sutter is a proven top 9 C and defensive PK specialist Baer is not. 

And Loui is a proven slug, and Baer is not. 

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1 minute ago, BPA said:

What's done is done.  No use arguing about it.  Let the chips fall where they may.

true, but this is the interweb, always going to have disagreements or people antagonizing others with their comments to "egg" people on

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1 minute ago, BPA said:

What's done is done.  No use arguing about it.  Let the chips fall where they may.

Don't you dare ring that laissez-faire attitude to CDC, we need to crucify the staff, the team,  management,  coaches etc... Because we all know better than the hockey people

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1 minute ago, canuck73_3 said:

It simply came down to Eriksson and Leivo are more versatile. Again Eriksson 11g 29pts which he did mostly playing alongside (gasp Sutter and Beagle and bouncing up and down 4 lines), Leivo 14g 24pts>>>>>>Baertschi 9g 14pts and both are also better 200ft players. It shouldn't be this hard to figure out. 

That was in 26 games. Way to try and skew the stats to prove your point.

 

Baertschi has been by far the more consistent player over the last 3 years.

 

I know it shouldn’t be this hard to figure out. Scoring depth equals more wins. We just weakened that today.

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4 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

And Baertschi is a better offensive player than Leivo.

 

Dont you want a balance of the two? 

 

Right now I see a lot more “defensively responsible” players than guys that can put the puck in the net.

Both Eriksson and Leivo outscored Baertschi last year AND they're defensively responsible. And both have stayed healthy. 

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