canuck73_3 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 minute ago, DeNiro said: First time in his career he’s played anywhere close to a full season. Hardly a track record of staying healthy. Junior 66gp 64gp 63gp AHL 59gp 51gp 51gp with 28 NHL call-ups In that stretch 2016/17 he had missed a bunch of games NHL 76gp in first full season was a spare his last year and a half with the Leafs he has a good track record of staying healthy so far, better health record than Baertschi thus far 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: How many has Leivo played? How many has Sutter played? Full seasons are pretty rare. Baers first two seasons with the Canucks he played 68 and 69 games respectively. The season before last he still played 53 games, picking up 29 points in those 53 games, which would still likely top the production Leivo would put up in a full season. Exactly. I don’t know why he’s so focused on full seasons played. Nobody is saying we’d even need him for the full season. Fact is even if he played half a season he would put up more point than Leivo, which we need. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: How many has Leivo played? How many has Sutter played? Full seasons are pretty rare. Baers first two seasons with the Canucks he played 68 and 69 games respectively. The season before last he still played 53 games, picking up 29 points in those 53 games, which would still likely top the production Leivo would put up in a full season. How many goal posts are you going to move to make Baertschi a roster spot? He was waived and it was the right decision like it or not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 minute ago, DeNiro said: Exactly. I don’t know why he’s so focused on full seasons played. Nobody is saying we’d even need him for the full season. Fact is even if he played half a season he would put up more point than Leivo, which we need. If you want the production from said player it's best he actually plays the game. I don't know why you guys are so focused on point per game percentages when actual points matter more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Just now, DeNiro said: Exactly. I don’t know why he’s so focused on full seasons played. Nobody is saying we’d even need him for the full season. Fact is even if he played half a season he would put up more point than Leivo, which we need. Also, it should be noted that if Baertschi were to be pushed down the lineup, thus cutting his minutes down, he would have a better chance at staying healthy then if he were consistently having to play top 6 minutes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 minute ago, canuck73_3 said: How many goal posts are you going to move to make Baertschi a roster spot? He was waived and it was the right decision like it or not. Not an argument. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Just now, canuck73_3 said: If you want the production from said player it's best he actually plays the game. I don't know why you guys are so focused on point per game percentages when actual points matter more. Yes and again Baertschi has a track record of putting up more than Leivo. He produces when he plays. Even if he only plays half a season he probably puts up close to 30. No guarantee Leivo does that. Leivo doesn’t have any track record to draw from other than last season. Yet somehow he’s a more rounded better player for our third line. Not very good logic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarM Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 7 minutes ago, DeNiro said: And Leivo has scored 24 points once. His next highest total being 10 points. Odds are he’s not going to provide us consistent secondary scoring. Baertschi has already proven he can. That is way more of a stretch no matter how you spin it. Bo's line provides "secondary scoring" so that argument is moot. We play in the Western conference, Leivo will provide more then Baert and even more so in the playoffs. The days of this team being the "regular season champs" is over, its time to start winning championships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post EdgarM Posted October 1, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 1, 2019 9 minutes ago, canuck2288 said: I have a feeling that Baer is going to get picked up by the Oilers and come back to haunt us What, along with Granlund and Gagner? 1 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Just now, EdgarM said: Bo's line provides "secondary scoring" so that argument is moot. We play in the Western conference, Leivo will provide more then Baert and even more so in the playoffs. The days of this team being the "regular season champs" is over, its time to start winning championships. You need more than one line of secondary scoring. That’s exactly why we haven’t had success over the last 3 years. You don’t get to the playoffs without scoring depth. As it stands right now we don’t have the scoring depth. Leivo is not the answer to that and nor should he be. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 minute ago, DeNiro said: Yes and again Baertschi has a track record of putting up more than Leivo. He produces when he plays. Even if he only plays half a season he probably puts up close to 30. No guarantee Leivo does that. Leivo doesn’t have any track record to draw from other than last season. Yet somehow he’s a more rounded better player for our third line. Not very good logic. But remember, Leivo just made the NHL and is still s developing player. He's only 26! Contrast that to Baertschi, who, at the ripe old age of 26, is all he will ever be. Just now, EdgarM said: Bo's line provides "secondary scoring" so that argument is moot. We play in the Western conference, Leivo will provide more then Baert and even more so in the playoffs. The days of this team being the "regular season champs" is over, its time to start winning championships. Maybe we should try making the playoffs first. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Just now, DeNiro said: Yes and again Baertschi has a track record of putting up more than Leivo. He produces when he plays. Even if he only plays half a season he probably puts up close to 30. No guarantee Leivo does that. Leivo doesn’t have any track record to draw from other than last season. Yet somehow he’s a more rounded better player for our third line. Not very good logic. And again Baertschi has a track record of being injured every season. Baertschi has missed 20 or more games 4 of his 6 full seasons, he's scored 30+ points once. Leivo is a bigger better 200ft player that is capable of chipping in offensively. 71% of NHL games were decided by 1 goal last year so while offense is good you need defensive responsibility too. Another element Leivo brings over Baertschi. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bovechkin Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Regardless of today's news I'm still quite excited for the upcoming season! 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarM Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 minute ago, DeNiro said: You need more than one line of secondary scoring. That’s exactly why we haven’t had success over the last 3 years. You don’t get to the playoffs without scoring depth. As it stands right now we don’t have the scoring depth. Leivo is not the answer to that and nor should he be. The last three years we relied on a softy, washed up line that couldn't be saved no matter who was put on it and last year from a couple of rookies. Our only secondary scoring was Bo by himself after he was given all of the defensive duties. Heck, I would argue that we really had no secondary scoring when Kessler was around. He was thrown a lot of junk players as well. Miller,Pearson and Bo give us legit "secondary scoring". Leivo will be third or fourth line, so again,moot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarM Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 8 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: But remember, Leivo just made the NHL and is still s developing player. He's only 26! Contrast that to Baertschi, who, at the ripe old age of 26, is all he will ever be. Maybe we should try making the playoffs first. Yes I fully agree, starting this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 (edited) 22 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: But remember, Leivo just made the NHL and is still s developing player. He's only 26! Contrast that to Baertschi, who, at the ripe old age of 26, is all he will ever be. Maybe we should try making the playoffs first. Oh so Baertschi can improve at 26 and Leivo can't? One of the reasons Leivo didn't come in sooner was the Leafs poor development system. It's no surprise to anyone that team stockpiled 36 added draft picks that thus far has only returned them 3 NHL players so far. Edited October 1, 2019 by canuck73_3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comeback_Kings Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 21 minutes ago, DeNiro said: What proof do you have that Leivo can stay healthy? Last season was his career high at 49 games. Hardly worth comparing. As for him being squeezed out by competition? What competition? Leivo, Eriksson, Schaller, and Virtanen did not outplay him... Seems to me Gaudettes coming out party was made possible by his chemistry with Baertschi. Don’t know why they wouldn’t explore that more. Gaudette playing alongside Baertschi was one of the top three things that excited me most about the pre-season. Canucks management and coaching are choosing to build the third line around Sutter, not Gaudette. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris12345 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: Oh so Baertschi can improve at 26 and Leivo can't? One of the reasons Leivo didn't come in sooner was the Leafs poor development system. It's no surprise to anyone that team stockpiled 36 draft picks that thus far has only returned them 3 NHL players so far. That's amazing. Matthews, Nylander, Marner, Riley? Only 3? Or do you mean not original Leaf picks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Just now, Chris12345 said: That's amazing. Matthews, Nylander, Marner, Riley? Only 3? Or do you mean not original Leaf picks? Yeah from what they sold off for, 36 acquired picks 3 NHL players. Drafting players in the top 10 is easy, developing goes deeper than that and their developing has been horrendous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 7 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: And again Baertschi has a track record of being injured every season. Baertschi has missed 20 or more games 4 of his 6 full seasons, he's scored 30+ points once. Leivo is a bigger better 200ft player that is capable of chipping in offensively. 71% of NHL games were decided by 1 goal last year so while offense is good you need defensive responsibility too. Another element Leivo brings over Baertschi. Levio brings and element that this team already has a lot of. Pearson, Leivo, Miller, Horvat, Sutter, Beagle, Eriksson, Schaller, Motte all fit into the hard working, 200ft game, will your way to score types, all with varying levels of offence and defence. Virtanen, Ferklund are the energy guys with heavy shots. Boeser is your trigger shot sniper None of them are pure skill guys that you would want to have the puck on the half wall of a power play. Jim is banking on relying on hard work to outscore the opponents and while hard work is an important trait, hockey sense is needed with balance. It's a risk that JB is taking but if this team struggles to score this season, that is on JB's decisions to waive the only other two forwards who bring pure skill to the roster outside of EP. We will see if is works out. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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