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On 9/30/2019 at 1:21 PM, Squamfan said:

 

You got to be kidding me, what has he done in three years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm thinking of Alf.  Alien thoughts: makes no HOCKEY sense to keep Eriksson over Baertschi or Schaller over Baertschi.  Money or pride of the owner MIGHT explain choosing Eriksson over Baer.  Money might also explain keeping Schaller over Baer.  Maybe ownership really hopes that Baertschi gets picked up on waivers... saves them 3 million plus of cap space.  Eriksson would only save 1 million because no one will pick him up on waivers? 

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1 minute ago, gameburn said:

I'm thinking of Alf.  Alien thoughts: makes no HOCKEY sense to keep Eriksson over Baertschi or Schaller over Baertschi.  Money or pride of the owner MIGHT explain choosing Eriksson over Baer.  Money might also explain keeping Schaller over Baer.  Maybe ownership really hopes that Baertschi gets picked up on waivers... saves them 3 million plus of cap space.  Eriksson would only save 1 million because no one will pick him up on waivers? 

I think they want to go two pure scoring lines and two pure shutdown lines.  That's a mistake IMO.  You need scoring up and down the lineup.  Not half a lineup that is an offensive black hole.

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I think they want to go two pure scoring lines and two pure shutdown lines.  That's a mistake IMO.  You need scoring up and down the lineup.  Not half a lineup that is an offensive black hole.

I couldn't agree more.  If teams only had 15 players on them (I'm thinking of my days playing Midget hockey here, lol),  I think having "two scoring lines" is fantastic.  Almost excessive.  But this is the NHL where we are allowed to have 20 plus players.   I'm not sure it makes sense to keep this many neutralizers and shut down guys on a team.  Biega being sent down vs. Fantenberg or even Benn hits me the same way.  Why give up on guys who can initiate offense when it's already so hard to score?  And, with injuries... I want Baertschi available to fill in for Boeser or Ferland rather than Eriksson or, lol, Schaller.  

 

I think it has to be much more about the money, or about the kind of thing we saw before with Malhotra. 

 

 

Also: injuries.  And uncertainties with players like Pearson.  Why risk losing Baertschi to keep Schaller and Eriksson or Motte for that matter.  

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6 minutes ago, gameburn said:

I'm thinking of Alf.  Alien thoughts: makes no HOCKEY sense to keep Eriksson over Baertschi or Schaller over Baertschi.  Money or pride of the owner MIGHT explain choosing Eriksson over Baer.  Money might also explain keeping Schaller over Baer.  Maybe ownership really hopes that Baertschi gets picked up on waivers... saves them 3 million plus of cap space.  Eriksson would only save 1 million because no one will pick him up on waivers? 

Considering FA has spent to or close to the cap throughout a rebuild phase I highly doubt he cares less about saving 2 millionish in salary.  The strategy I see is they tried to trade 4-5 players (that’s what they said) nobody was interested so they took a calculated risk to waiver them now while every team is healthy and also trimming their roster down.   If the purpose is to reduce the payroll then they’d have better success waiting a couple weeks, hope for some injuries and then waive Bear when Rousell is back - much higher chance they’d get a suitor then.   Instead they kept their depth - and when injuries do occur OR if a player isn’t producing and gets demoted they have a better replacement ready to go.

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Heh i am by no means a fan of JB.....

 

But i think the club just went with character guys that are tougher to play against. I am going to trust Greener on these moves.  He wants to win and no doubt sent down the guys that he feels are least needed in various roles.     Looking forward to a grittier team... heh check out my avatar....

 

I feel bad for Biega as he is a warrior.... but honestly he is a almost a career AHLer that got to live his dream... hoping we see Biega back on the club when injuries hit our D.

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12 minutes ago, gameburn said:

I couldn't agree more.  If teams only had 15 players on them (I'm thinking of my days playing Midget hockey here, lol),  I think having "two scoring lines" is fantastic.  Almost excessive.  But this is the NHL where we are allowed to have 20 plus players.   I'm not sure it makes sense to keep this many neutralizers and shut down guys on a team.  Biega being sent down vs. Fantenberg or even Benn hits me the same way.  Why give up on guys who can initiate offense when it's already so hard to score?  And, with injuries... I want Baertschi available to fill in for Boeser or Ferland rather than Eriksson or, lol, Schaller.  

 

I think it has to be much more about the money, or about the kind of thing we saw before with Malhotra. 

 

 

Also: injuries.  And uncertainties with players like Pearson.  Why risk losing Baertschi to keep Schaller and Eriksson or Motte for that matter.  

A couple things.

 

Bear is pretty good  WHEN he plays - no way would he clear if it wasn’t for his inability to play even 3/4 of a season.  Roster spots are important - and in his case he was beat out of a top six role and I doubt management felt he could endure a bottom six one or they would have kept him.   30 other teams didn’t think he was worth a roster spot either - even for free.   Maybe we are overrating him a tad.    And yes Bear can fill in for Boeser or Ferland, he just needs a call up - or for Pearson if he gets moved down, he can play a reliable third line role and would displace someone else and open a spot for Bear.

 

On Benn.  I’m sure you’ve watched a lot more of Biega and like the way he plays (it’s fun to watch when he’s hitting everyone no doubt).  But Benn is solid reliable vet, who played a defensive defenseman role in MTL, yet managed over 20 points last year.   Wouldn’t use him as an example over Biega, who had a good chance last year to solidify a spot but couldn’t do it.   He’s an upgrade on Hutton.  Biega’s at this point at least, is  a fringe NHLer - again nobody wanted him either.   Benn on the other hand, was considered a best bargain of last years crop of UFAs.  And drives possession - that’s what his stats tell us anyways. 

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29 minutes ago, IBatch said:

Considering FA has spent to or close to the cap throughout a rebuild phase I highly doubt he cares less about saving 2 millionish in salary.  The strategy I see is they tried to trade 4-5 players (that’s what they said) nobody was interested so they took a calculated risk to waiver them now while every team is healthy and also trimming their roster down.   If the purpose is to reduce the payroll then they’d have better success waiting a couple weeks, hope for some injuries and then waive Bear when Rousell is back - much higher chance they’d get a suitor then.   Instead they kept their depth - and when injuries do occur OR if a player isn’t producing and gets demoted they have a better replacement ready to go.

Yes, sneak them through and wait to see what happens as the season unfolds.  

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4 minutes ago, gameburn said:

Yes, sneak them through and wait to see what happens as the season unfolds.  

They need the cap space and were more likely hoping to get rid of Baertschi.  They only have 170K now.  Not enough to recall anyone or deal with injuries.  For now they can put Roussel on LTIR but at the expense of banking cap space which is not ideal.  

 

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Just now, mll said:

They need the cap space and were more likely hoping to get rid of them.  They only have 170K now.  Not enough to recall anyone or deal with injuries.  For now they can put Roussel on LTIR but at the expense of banking cap space which is not ideal.  

Sending Eriksson down in addition to Sven would have given them 2 X 1 million?  

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Just now, gameburn said:

Sending Eriksson down in addition to Sven would have given them 2 X 1 million?  

but no extra F with Motte now injured.  

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13 minutes ago, IBatch said:

A couple things.

 

Bear is pretty good  WHEN he plays - no way would he clear if it wasn’t for his inability to play even 3/4 of a season.  Roster spots are important - and in his case he was beat out of a top six role and I doubt management felt he could endure a bottom six one or they would have kept him.   30 other teams didn’t think he was worth a roster spot either - even for free.   Maybe we are overrating him a tad.    And yes Bear can fill in for Boeser or Ferland, he just needs a call up - or for Pearson if he gets moved down, he can play a reliable third line role and would displace someone else and open a spot for Bear.

 

On Benn.  I’m sure you’ve watched a lot more of Biega and like the way he plays (it’s fun to watch when he’s hitting everyone no doubt).  But Benn is solid reliable vet, who played a defensive defenseman role in MTL, yet managed over 20 points last year.   Wouldn’t use him as an example over Biega, who had a good chance last year to solidify a spot but couldn’t do it.   He’s an upgrade on Hutton.  Biega’s at this point at least, is  a fringe NHLer - again nobody wanted him either.   Benn on the other hand, was considered a best bargain of last years crop of UFAs.  And drives possession - that’s what his stats tell us anyways. 

agree, and i do think people on thsi forum do put baer on a higher statue than what hes really worth, and yes if he was as good as all think on this site, a team woulda grabbed him up ....same with biega and goldobin ...

 

so agree with all u say 100%

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3 minutes ago, mll said:

but no extra F with Motte now injured.  

Motte is injured... that guy never gets injured.  Ah, well.

Sutter... will he make it uninjured out of the first 2 weeks?

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6 hours ago, Hutton Wink said:

Looks like it says "5/1" for Leafs?

Sorry Hutt, I thought it said 9 -1.........I'll make my eye appointment tomorrow.

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6 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:

You need between 4-6 forwards to kill penalties. Most teams create a 4th line for that express purpose so they don’t have to use their star players on the PK. Having Gaudette and Baertschi on the 4th line makes no sense whatsoever.  How many teams in the NHL have skilled forwards on their 4th line who don’t kill penalties?

I didn't know teams do that with the fourth line. The more you know! That makes sense then, I guess it's just unfortunate Baertschi and Gaudette couldn't continue on a line together in general then. I think they had some good chemistry, but I think it's more so Gaudette improving his game. Plus it never hurts having some backup for injuries.

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2 hours ago, Wilbur said:

I think they want to go two pure scoring lines and two pure shutdown lines.  That's a mistake IMO.  You need scoring up and down the lineup.  Not half a lineup that is an offensive black hole.

Gotta agree with you on this. First time in years that we’ve had the depth to have three scoring lines and Green has chosen to go with only two. As long as Sutter and Beagle are both playing Centre I think we’re doomed to be mediocre at best.

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1 hour ago, Roberts said:

I didn't know teams do that with the fourth line. The more you know! That makes sense then, I guess it's just unfortunate Baertschi and Gaudette couldn't continue on a line together in general then. I think they had some good chemistry, but I think it's more so Gaudette improving his game. Plus it never hurts having some backup for injuries.

Don’t worry, Gaudette’s time will come sooner rather than later.  Sutter won’t be around forever and with his injury history Gaudette could find himself into a full time role as early as this year.  Gaudette has a bright future ahead of him.  

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3 hours ago, Viper007 said:

Bo has been given a lot of different players to play with, no consistency, yet does he complain?  Nope.  He's asked to play in all situations.  First it was offense.  He improves his offensive game.  Oh no injuries have hit.  We need you to be our defensive shutdown guy.  No worries, he does that too, while getting points.  Oh we need you to take all the important faceoffs.  No problem, Bo will just lead the NHL in that category while also winning most of them.  Bo just goes out and does what a leader does, by being an example.  Bo shows a work ethic, and improves his game every single year.  Bo is counted on in every situation.  If that's not a leader, I don't know what is.  I doubt Travis Green will be leaning on EP to play defensively as much as Bo.  Even teammates call him Cap already.  He's got the respect of management, coaches, and most of all his teammates, and most of us fans also.  

 

Bo is Captain Canuck, and it will be well deserved!

First let me say that I think Bo will be Captain.

 

but what you have described is a great team mate and a great foot soldier. I am sure that I would want Bo on my team. YOu said yourself that Bo does all that is asked of him, is that the leader you want? NO one asked Bo to tune up Matheson or Tierney and he didn't. Is that what you want, a leader who does as he is asked and doesn't complain? 

if Bo is not a leader you don't know what is? Maybe you don't. The Canucks have had difficulty naming captains Linden stepped down and handed the C to the guy who broke his ribs. Then there was Naslund who "Choked" and Luongo, the goalie... you seem to favor Bo in part because his mates like him. Other than Brock, who calls Bo Cap? I saw that clip too, but have not seen anyone else say it. What gives Brock the authority to name a captain, he has not been to the playoffs since he was 17. Its not a popularity contest.

You have your criterion and Bo checks all your boxes, personally I just don't see enough difference from past captains that have not been able to get the Canucks over the last hump.

 

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3 hours ago, the grinder said:

just neeed to photo shop messier  in now 

and Dan Quinn

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