ChuckNORRIS4Cup Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 5 minutes ago, Pears said: That’s free agency 101. If there’s a market for certain players you gotta pay a little extra than others if you want his services. Eriksson hasn’t worked out, but you’re lying if you said in 2016 you didn’t see it ending up this bad. True I didn't think it was going to be this bad definitely thought a possibility of a connection with the Sedins was to at least happen, even if he wasn't my choice to be signed in the first place. I hope the formating works, but this shows the decline of those 2016 UFAs pretty crazy actually wow. https://thewincolumn.ca/2019/06/24/a-ufa-cautionary-tale-the-2016-free-agent-class-is-nightmare-fuel/ PPG Contract Year PPG 2016-17 PPG 2017-18 PPG 2018-19 % Decline (Contract year vs 2018-19) Milan Lucic 0.68 0.61 0.41 0.25 -63.24% Kyle Okposo 0.81 0.69 0.58 0.37 -54.32% Andrew Ladd 0.62 0.40 0.40 0.42 -32.26% Loui Eriksson 0.77 0.37 0.46 0.36 -53.25% Frans Nielsen 0.64 0.52 0.42 0.49 -23.44% David Backes 0.57 0.51 0.58 0.29 -49.12% Troy Brouwer 0.48 0.34 0.29 0.28 -41.67% Mikkel Boedker 0.65 0.32 0.50 0.49 -24.62% Jamie McGinn 0.50 0.24 0.38 0.37 -26.00% Matt Martin 0.24 0.11 0.24 0.21 -12.50% Dale Weise 0.38 0.23 0.17 0.22 -42.11% Lee Stempniak 0.62 0.49 0.24 N/A N/A Joe Colborne 0.60 0.13 N/A N/A N/A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom Sestito Posted September 6, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 6, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: Who called you a bad Canucks fan? As well, if I'm to get this correct, if someone meets you at a Canucks game, and calls you a bad Canucks fan, you'll buy them a beer? Would you become suspicious if someone of a similar build, sporting a similar voice who has a moustache and Groucho Marx glasses approached you a period after and said the same thing? I'll have to go through posts to find the numerous times that it's happened. And yeah, it's that simple. I feel like so many people are unable to have a discussion and find it much easier to just go straight to a dismissive statement on this forum. So, I always put out that offer because I really doubt anyone would say it in person. No one has taken it the numerous times I've offered it. But, it's always valid. Hit your boy up in the DM's. Also, in regards to the @Pears statement about how no one foresaw Eriksson being that bad. That's true if you want to be literal as no one saw him being dog$&!# in his first season. But, a lot of us knew it was still a stupid signing due to the age. He was 31 when the first season started. It was dumb to give that much term and dollar. I hate the argument that a few other teams gave out albatross contracts so it's okay that we did it. Exactly how the whole Eriksson contract played out. Edited September 6, 2019 by Tom Sestito 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 Do people really think we were in on Gardiner? Where was he going to fit in our lineup? He was a backup plan if we couldn't get Edler signed. Unless they think that we missed out on 4 million a year on Gardiner to play on the 3rd pairing and not have Benn for 2 million instead. Perhaps Benning offered Gardiner 2 million a year as well and he respectfully declined. That's the only way this could have played out if it simply wasn't a backup plan to Edler and they were simply inquiring about his asking price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckNORRIS4Cup Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 31 minutes ago, The Great Canucks said: Yeah, because Gardiner was totally asking for only $4 million this entire time. That's why he waited until now to finally sign. Hutton must be getting 5 then 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PhillipBlunt Posted September 6, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, Tom Sestito said: I'll have to go through posts to find the numerous times that it's happened. Dude, don't bother. That sounds like a pain in the ass to go through. 2 minutes ago, Tom Sestito said: And yeah, it's that simple. I feel like so many people are unable to have a discussion and find it much easier to just go straight to a dismissive statement on this forum. So, I always put out that offer because I really doubt anyone would say it in person. No one has taken it the numerous times I've offered it. But, it's always valid. Hit your boy up in the DM's. Just curious, do you feel that people wouldn't have the same approach in person because of the difference in how people are online versus in person? I think that's par for the course in today's society sadly. 2 minutes ago, Tom Sestito said: Also, in regards to the @Pears statement about how no one foresaw Eriksson being that bad. That's true if you want to be literal as no one saw him being dog$&!# in his first season. But, a lot of us knew it was still a stupid signing due to the age. He was 31 when the first season started. It was dumb to give that much term and dollar. I hate the argument that a few other teams gave out albatross contracts so it's okay that we did it. Exactly how the whole Eriksson contract played out. I wasn't a fan of either the Eriksson or Vrbata signings. Both seem similar to me. Signing players to accompany the Sedins in their decline wasn't the best idea and proved as such. Benning's made some mistakes in his time here, no doubt, but I think that the team is looking good going into this season, and is definitely on the upswing. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 4 hours ago, King Heffy said: He's not better than any of their guys. Brutal signing. Think Pears has it. 4 hours ago, Pears said: There is 100% a trade coming but... Slavin - Pesce Gardiner - Faulk Bean - Hamilton TVR, Fleury, Forsling omg He is better than Fleury & Van Rymsdyk. Gives them some solid depth on the left side. I don't see the trade as automatic though in the context of LHD. Just buys Bean some time, who inevitably will take over 2knd pair / 2knd PP. You can do worse than have a $4 mill 3rd pair D. Buys them some depth as a whole to get their sh!t together in case / or when Faulk walks next summer. Might cost them Forsling on waivers. But keeping all of Pesce, Faulk & Hamilton seems more attractive if they can pull it off? I think only Buffalo can rival it for RHD in the NHL? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 Just now, Canuck Surfer said: Might cost them Forsling on waivers. CDC could have their wish, prodigal son draft pick back for free??? I like Biega as much as the next guy, but? Forsling would help us as an 8th D man... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 (edited) Yet another sign o' the times. Money/cap/unconditional love drifting from the UFA class towards the younger RFA class. When the NHLPA get together, I predict a Ritz Carlton lounge-clearing brawl(with no officials!) 100 RFA's vs 99 greybeard recent UFA's. You heard it here first... Edited September 6, 2019 by Nuxfanabroad 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian42 Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 5 hours ago, WonderTwinPowers said: Can't wait for the "should have signed Gardiner" threads For that price, for sure! Also I’d rather sign Nyquist for 5.5 then trade for Miller. i like Miller more due to physical play and size but .. Nyquist 1st & 3rd > Miller however, overall I’m happy with the off-season overall and excited for the season/playoff push Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6string Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 Jets n Canes posssibly working on a deal now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, flickyoursedin said: Lol you are gonna lose all credibility making posts like this. I stand by my comment. All of our guys are at least good enough in their own end to belong in the NHL. Gardiner's only hope of not being a total liability is a move to forward. Edited September 6, 2019 by King Heffy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kloubek Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 I know not many are high on Gardiner, but I believe he is a far better player than many of you think. Yes, he has defensive gaffs at the worst time but he isn't really as bad as many make him out to be. Add to that a guy who is capable of 50 points at only 4m? Imo, it is a good cap hit for what he can do for a powerplay. Solid signing for the Hurricanes imo. Just not sure who leaves to make the room... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 9 minutes ago, King Heffy said: I stand by my comment. All of our guys are at least good enough in their own end to belong in the NHL. Gardiner's only hope of not being a total liability is a move to forward. Gardiner is a product of the Leafs hype machine. A modern day Kaberle. I'm so glad we didnt sign this guy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrockBoester Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, WonderTwinPowers said: Can't wait for the "should have signed Gardiner" threads I'd do it but I'm already on thin ice with Deb after my drunk posting spree a while ago so I'm trying to behave for now :D But if I did it would be good I can guarantee you that Edit: Ok what the hell I threw one together, sorry in advance Deb/Stealth/etc <3 http://forum.canucks.com/topic/391319-gmjb-out-gmd-again/ Edited September 7, 2019 by BrockBoester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 13 minutes ago, kloubek said: I know not many are high on Gardiner, but I believe he is a far better player than many of you think. Yes, he has defensive gaffs at the worst time but he isn't really as bad as many make him out to be. Add to that a guy who is capable of 50 points at only 4m? Imo, it is a good cap hit for what he can do for a powerplay. Solid signing for the Hurricanes imo. Just not sure who leaves to make the room... He can produce offense but there is zero place on a legit NHL d group for a defenseman who can't play defense. You don't win playoff series with that guys who are that bad in their own end; it's simply unacceptable for an NHLer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post cuporbust Posted September 7, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 7, 2019 (edited) 24 minutes ago, kloubek said: I know not many are high on Gardiner, but I believe he is a far better player than many of you think. Yes, he has defensive gaffs at the worst time but he isn't really as bad as many make him out to be. Add to that a guy who is capable of 50 points at only 4m? Imo, it is a good cap hit for what he can do for a powerplay. Solid signing for the Hurricanes imo. Just not sure who leaves to make the room... Gardiner would have gotten crucified in Vancouver. Even with his offensive instincts, gaffs at the wrong times is not tolerated here like it might be somewhere else . He was also a 30 point d man until the arrival of Austin Mathews and Mitch Marner. This season, even with tavares his offense took a dip. Not convinced his offense is as good somewhere else . Edited September 7, 2019 by cuporbust 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckGAME Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 3 hours ago, Sbriggs said: Ya the Canes must be happy they acted quickly before he got eaten up by..........who ever Oh yeah I'm sure you were sitting right next to his agent as the calls were coming in. **** out of here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duodenum Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 3 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said: hmmm, maybe. Is he a 50 pts in 82 game guy anywhere other than TO? we'll see. He had a lot of secondary assists in his time there. Gonna pick up a lot of second assists when you have a first pass as good as his. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maketherightmove Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 8 hours ago, Type R said: Hurricanes are probably working on a trade for one of their D, should be interesting. Yeah, Slavin for Boeser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post WHL rocks Posted September 7, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 7, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, kloubek said: I know not many are high on Gardiner, but I believe he is a far better player than many of you think. Yes, he has defensive gaffs at the worst time but he isn't really as bad as many make him out to be. Add to that a guy who is capable of 50 points at only 4m? Imo, it is a good cap hit for what he can do for a powerplay. Solid signing for the Hurricanes imo. Just not sure who leaves to make the room... He's not defensively bad as many people on cdc believe he is. He's a great skater and can usually recover with his speed if he makes a gaffe. Great signing by Donny Waddell. Gardiner is great on PP and will put up 40 + pts with first unit PP. Canes got a bargain and definetly improved their D. I'd take him at 4 mill any day. I don't believe anyone leaves. They added to LD and became a better deeper team. They were set at RD. Now look real good at LD as well. Edited September 7, 2019 by WHL rocks 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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