Popular Post SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted September 7, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 7, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, cuporbust said: Gardiner would have gotten crucified in Vancouver. Even with his offensive instincts, gaffs at the wrong times is not tolerated here like it might be somewhere else . He was also a 30 point d man until the arrival of Austin Mathews and Mitch Marner. This season, even with tavares his offense took a dip. Not convinced his offense is as good somewhere else . I think Gardiner’s totals dipped more because Rielly took over most of the power play opportunities this past season. Add in the injuries and playing hurt and it’s not surprising Gardiner dropped from 52 to 30 points. I actually think a healthy Gardiner, playing top pairing and first unit PP over a full 82 games, could very well have finished with 60+ points on the 2018-19 Leafs, especially given the potency of their forward group, and some of the percentages their players enjoyed last season. It’s gonna be interesting to see how he’s used and what kind of results Gardiner brings to Carolina. But in my opinion, anything under $6 million a season for a player of Gardiner’s caliber is a bargain. At $4 million and change, it’s outright thievery. Even in a down year, Gardiner was a top-20 Dman last season in GAR and WAR, and he was top-5 in even strength GAR. And Gardiner has been a consistent ~2 wins/season above replacement player through the prime years of his career. His microstats profile and underlying numbers are very good. Sure we’ve all seen the gaffs, but that’s what you get from high risk/reward players sometimes. What Gardiner has proven is that, over the length of the season, he adds goals and wins to his team’s column. I have a lot of time for players who can produce significantly positive GAR/WAR effects year after year. Gardiner appears to be one of the these players, and I expect he’s going to prove to be a steal for Carolina. Edited September 7, 2019 by SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Typos 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maketherightmove Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 8 hours ago, HerrDrFunk said: His comparables really say it all. Comparing contracts signed over 6 years ago is disingenuous. The league, market, and free agency as a whole was completely different. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maketherightmove Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 6 hours ago, Alain Vigneault said: Imagine still believing that GMs let supply and demand dictate how they run teams. We literally signed a LD to play the right side. Gardiner + Benn for $6.05 AVV > Myers and Benn for $8 AAV. This is not a slight against Myers, this is simply just sense. Supply and demand dictates everything. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV. Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Just now, Maketherightmove said: Supply and demand dictates everything. In the NHL, it doesn't if you're competent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post canuck73_3 Posted September 7, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 7, 2019 2 hours ago, brian42 said: For that price, for sure! Also I’d rather sign Nyquist for 5.5 then trade for Miller. i like Miller more due to physical play and size but .. Nyquist 1st & 3rd > Miller however, overall I’m happy with the off-season overall and excited for the season/playoff push We have enough cream puffs Miller>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nyquist all day 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 34 minutes ago, WHL rocks said: He's not defensively bad as many people on cdc believe he is. He's a great skater and can usually recover with his speed if he makes a gaffe. Great signing by Donny Waddell. Gardiner is great on PP and will put up 40 + pts with first unit PP. Canes got a bargain and definetly improved their D. I'd take him at 4 mill any day. I don't believe anyone leaves. They added to LD and became a better deeper team. They were set at RD. Now look real good at LD as well. I would agree if Jake didn’t have back issues. His back is likely what kept teams away, and his dollars down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruilin96 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 (edited) I hope the Canes plays the Leafs in the playoffs in a Game 7 situation. Where Gardiner decided to turn the script, putting up 3 points and a +5 rating, earning the Canes the victory and eliminate the Leafs. Edited September 7, 2019 by ruilin96 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Alflives said: I would agree if Jake didn’t have back issues. His back is likely what kept teams away, and his dollars down. His back is fully healed and healthy. Tyler Myers missed several months with hip injury couple of years ago. Boeser is coming off a very serious back injury. Doesn't seem like it's affecting them. Boeser wants 7 mill 4 yrs. Myers got 6 mill 5 yrs. And defensively he's pretty even with Myers. In WPG Myers had difficulty handling 1st pair time after injuries to Buff and Morrisey. Hes was pretty bad defensively. He was ok as 2nd pair. Considering we paid Myers 2 mill per year more and 1 year longer term this is a great signing by the Canes. Edited September 7, 2019 by WHL rocks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sbriggs Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 1 hour ago, CanuckGAME said: Oh yeah I'm sure you were sitting right next to his agent as the calls were coming in. **** out of here. What,you think there was no one calling and all of a sudden the canes, who have a very good defense already, just said wow Jake is still there we must have him. Jake was ranked as one of the top D FA, I seriously wonder what took so long to find a team and shocked what he signed for, there has to be more to this story we do not know. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, WHL rocks said: His back is fully healed and healthy. Tyler Myers missed several months with hip injury couple of years ago. Boeser is coming off a very serious back injury. Doesn't seem like it's affecting them. Boeser wants 7 mill 4 yrs. Myers got 6 mill 5 yrs. Myers and Bess have nothing to do with Gardiner. Each player, and their injuries, are unique. Jake has a bad back. Teams shied away, obviously, because of concerns Jake will struggle with back issues. Jake might be done. A healthy Jake I liked as a player. Jake with a bad back is a very soft player, who hurts his team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Alflives said: Myers and Bess have nothing to do with Gardiner. Each player, and their injuries, are unique. Jake has a bad back. Teams shied away, obviously, because of concerns Jake will struggle with back issues. Jake might be done. A healthy Jake I liked as a player. Jake with a bad back is a very soft player, who hurts his team. His back is healed. I'm sure it made a difference but not 2 mill a year difference. Some teams might have hesitated. Reason he didn't sign until now is he was waiting for Leafs to sign Marner and was hoping they'd have enough money left for him after. The door was still open in Toronto and he wanted to go there. Now 1 week before camp he's running out of options and time. So canes got a great deal. Edited September 7, 2019 by WHL rocks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, WHL rocks said: His back is healed. Reason he didn't sign until now is he was waiting for Leafs to sign Marner and was hoping they'd have enough money left for him after. The door was still open in Toronto and he wanted to go there. Now 1 week before camp he's running out of options and time. So canes got a great deal. How could he be waiting on Marner to sign to go to TO when the Leafs can barely afford Marner alone? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sbriggs Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 40 minutes ago, Alflives said: I would agree if Jake didn’t have back issues. His back is likely what kept teams away, and his dollars down. Good call Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, WHL rocks said: His back is healed. I'm sure it made a difference but not 2 mill a year difference. Some teams might have hesitated. Reason he didn't sign until now is he was waiting for Leafs to sign Marner and was hoping they'd have enough money left for him after. The door was still open in Toronto and he wanted to go there. Now 1 week before camp he's running out of options and time. So canes got a great deal. I don’t think a player with a bad back for 4 x 4 is a good deal. Jake was already very soft. He’s going to be even softer. That’s why teams didn’t want him. I liked Jake two years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 7 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: How could he be waiting on Marner to sign to go to TO when the Leafs can barely afford Marner alone? There were media talking about it as recent a week or so ago. Talk was leafs might trade a player to keep Gardiner in the fold. Cody Ceci was talked about being moved and money used on Gardiner. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sbriggs Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 (edited) 32 minutes ago, WHL rocks said: His back is fully healed and healthy. Tyler Myers missed several months with hip injury couple of years ago. Boeser is coming off a very serious back injury. Doesn't seem like it's affecting them. Boeser wants 7 mill 4 yrs. Myers got 6 mill 5 yrs. And defensively he's pretty even with Myers. In WPG Myers had difficulty handling 1st pair time after injuries to Buff and Morrisey. Hes was pretty bad defensively. He was ok as 2nd pair. Considering we paid Myers 2 mill per year more and 1 year longer term this is a great signing by the Canes. The signing by the Canes has nothing to do with the Myers signing, Benning had a need and didn't want to loose out so he looked at his options and made his move. Now we can debate whos better or what signing is better but it would only be relevent if they both signed July 1st, but thats not what happened. Benning paid to get his need right away, I don't think the Canes had a need for Jake at the time, this was maybe a spur of the moment to add cheap depth, one sign that this is what happened is his salary @ 4M, doesn't really make sense, I think most reasonable people here would say thats a very cheap salary for Jake Edited September 7, 2019 by Sbriggs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 10 minutes ago, Alflives said: I don’t think a player with a bad back for 4 x 4 is a good deal. Jake was already very soft. He’s going to be even softer. That’s why teams didn’t want him. I liked Jake two years ago. So you don't want Boeser for 4 mill 4 yrs. His back injury was so bad almost ended his career. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sbriggs Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 17 minutes ago, WHL rocks said: His back is healed. I'm sure it made a difference but not 2 mill a year difference. Some teams might have hesitated. Reason he didn't sign until now is he was waiting for Leafs to sign Marner and was hoping they'd have enough money left for him after. The door was still open in Toronto and he wanted to go there. Now 1 week before camp he's running out of options and time. So canes got a great deal. No one knows if his back has anything to do with the length of time it took for Jake to sign a contract or he was maybe waiting until Marner was signed hoping he may be able to sign with the Leafs again. Your just spewing pure speculation. I like the idea that he was waiting on the Leafs, even though I wonder why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sbriggs Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 8 minutes ago, WHL rocks said: There were media talking about it as recent a week or so ago. Talk was leafs might trade a player to keep Gardiner in the fold. Cody Ceci was talked about being moved and money used on Gardiner. Does the media always tell the truth? Especially in Toronto? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 8 minutes ago, Sbriggs said: Does the media always tell the truth? Especially in Toronto? That's up to you to decide if you want to believe sports reporters or not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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