aGENT Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 5 minutes ago, theo5789 said: I think he's suggesting which players he's okay with moving (one or two to clear up space), not suggesting he'd move all of them. Ding, ding, ding. The OP even had them in separate paragraphs. That's not a mistake as they're independent points (ie Stecher is not 'fat to be trimmed'). But we all have lapses in reading comprehension don't we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 13 minutes ago, aGENT said: Could certainly be. I'm simply not wed to it being only off season. Again, I'm not saying it's certain or even likely. If nothing else, starting conversations now can lead to those off season deals emerging. I'm simply stating that he will be looking and having those conversations. And personally I'd be open to it at the TDL if the right deal came along. A team without a Ferland and Leivo already in the background likely values Schaller higher than we do. If this is true, then I'll take more than a 7th rounder please. With that said, Schaller's biggest asset is his PK duties, something neither Ferland or Leivo possess. We don't know Ferland's progression and how he will be when he returns and Leivo has been listed out pretty much right around TDL time (so if it's before, then I'd try to trade him for said low pick and if it's after, then roster limits are lifted anyway, so all we would gain from moving Schaller is trying to bank under 500k of his cap at the cost of a player with some reasonable value to our current team). I'd like to see if/when Tryamkin returns before deciding on moving out Virtanen. I'd like to see what Jake's contract demands are (I think he comes around 3.25 million on a 3 to 4 year deal, which would be good value for us or in a future trade). If Virtanen nets us Ristolainen, I'd consider it, but I still think I'd wait until the offseason when it is more clearer on our roster picture and cap room. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 20 minutes ago, aGENT said: Ding, ding, ding. The OP even had them in separate paragraphs. That's not a mistake as they're independent points (ie Stecher is not 'fat to be trimmed'). But we all have lapses in reading comprehension don't we? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 (edited) Also, @theo5789 I could be wrong, but I think Green has slotted Jake in on the PK a bit on the last handful of games Edited February 1, 2020 by aGENT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 5 minutes ago, aGENT said: Also, @theo5789 I could be wrong, but I think Green has slotted Jake in on the PK a bit on the last handful of games He's played 1 min of shorthanded time this year (or a nice average of rounded up 1 second per game). To put it into perspective, Brock has the same PK time and EP has had more. So yes you would be wrong If anything, you should've brought up Roussel as an option for the PK (which I had forgotten about) as he was utilized there in a secondary role the last couple of seasons, but hasn't been on it this year for some reason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, theo5789 said: He's played 1 min of shorthanded time this year (or a nice average of rounded up 1 second per game). To put it into perspective, Brock has the same PK time and EP has had more. So yes you would be wrong If anything, you should've brought up Roussel as an option for the PK (which I had forgotten about) as he was utilized there in a secondary role the last couple of seasons, but hasn't been on it this year for some reason. No seriously, I think he's gotten some looks the last couple games. I'm seeing 2:57 PK TOI. And yes, Rous, is another option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 Just now, aGENT said: No seriously, I think he's gotten some looks the last couple games. I'm seeing 2:57 PK TOI. And yes, Rous, is another option. Not according to NHL.com website. I can't recollect a time he was on the PK in recent games unless he was just finishing up a PK shift to start onto the next shift which usually meant having the top line back out because they were sitting for a couple of minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Cathode Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 15 hours ago, Fanuck said: No, he isn't. Never has been at any level he's played and he still isn't. People are entranced by his size/skill package and think if he could just.....then he be.....but he hasn't. CDC looks at his Utica numbers and thinks we have something there, people won't like hearing it but Brendan Gaunce comes to mind when I think of Bailey. Gaunce is nothing like Bailey, they are entirely different kinds of players - for one thing Bailey is the fastest skater in Utica and he can handle the puck at speed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeneedLumme Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 6 hours ago, Ray_Cathode said: Gaunce is nothing like Bailey, they are entirely different kinds of players - for one thing Bailey is the fastest skater in Utica and he can handle the puck at speed. Yeah, comparing a player who has speed to burn with one who wasn't fast enough is not very realistic. Also, Bailey seems to have just blossomed. Did he ever have any 9-goal weeks before? I am guessing not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlanB Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 9 hours ago, Ray_Cathode said: Gaunce is nothing like Bailey, they are entirely different kinds of players - for one thing Bailey is the fastest skater in Utica and he can handle the puck at speed. 3 hours ago, WeneedLumme said: Yeah, comparing a player who has speed to burn with one who wasn't fast enough is not very realistic. Also, Bailey seems to have just blossomed. Did he ever have any 9-goal weeks before? I am guessing not. Actually, if you just look at the 'big picture' there are some similarities - not in skill-set mind you but: -both similar age -both similar size -both OHL products that produced at similar levels in that league -both given up on by their draft team -both produced similar numbers in limited NHL appearances -both almost half-way through the 'average' pro-hockey career and still not established in the NHL yet Actually, if you look closely at just their stats from OHL/AHL/NHL, they are eerily similar. Yes, I know stats are just stats and not the whole picture but they tell you something about the player. They're not the same skill-set, but there's some general comparisons there imo even if it's just the fact they're similar ages/pro-experience that have bounced around a few franchises each and never panned-out - yet anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Cathode Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 1 hour ago, PlanB said: Actually, if you just look at the 'big picture' there are some similarities - not in skill-set mind you but: -both similar age -both similar size -both OHL products that produced at similar levels in that league -both given up on by their draft team -both produced similar numbers in limited NHL appearances -both almost half-way through the 'average' pro-hockey career and still not established in the NHL yet Actually, if you look closely at just their stats from OHL/AHL/NHL, they are eerily similar. Yes, I know stats are just stats and not the whole picture but they tell you something about the player. They're not the same skill-set, but there's some general comparisons there imo even if it's just the fact they're similar ages/pro-experience that have bounced around a few franchises each and never panned-out - yet anyway. They both have similar playing weight at 214, but Bailey is 6’4” and Gaunce 6’2” which makes Bailey considerably more lean and longer in the leg - which leads to an entirely different skating style. Gaunce’s skating was always a cap on his prospects at an NHL level. In terms of accidentals they are similar, but in essentials (what makes them the kind of player they are) they are entirely different - hence different expectations - though they might face similar fates. My sense is that Bailey will have to play top six in the NHL to be successful, and he will have to play an almost individual style - he scores so many goals on an individual rush - kind of like the early Virtanen tried to do. His skills are more advanced that what Vitanen’s were a couple of years ago - probably because he is older. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Cathode Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 5 hours ago, WeneedLumme said: Yeah, comparing a player who has speed to burn with one who wasn't fast enough is not very realistic. Also, Bailey seems to have just blossomed. Did he ever have any 9-goal weeks before? I am guessing not. Gaunce did have a couple of good runs in the AHL, but nothing like this run of Bailey’s - it’s Bailey just found his game. Kind of like this year’s Jake - with whom I find some similarity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpn1 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 I have two concerns about Justin. Firstly, he is kind of soft for such big guy. When I watch Utica play I am always surprised at how little he is physical in games. Secondly, He is fast but seems to be out of control when he turns up the speed. It seems to me that he looses a lot of pucks skating through the neutral zone. I'm not a scout but this is how I see it with my limited knowledge of the game. I am worried that this will get exposed in the NHL. Hope I'm wrong but I think he is real good in the "A" but vulnerable in the NHL. Kind of like Reid B. I would have rather seen Kole Lind with a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 2 hours ago, dpn1 said: I have two concerns about Justin. Firstly, he is kind of soft for such big guy. When I watch Utica play I am always surprised at how little he is physical in games. Secondly, He is fast but seems to be out of control when he turns up the speed. It seems to me that he looses a lot of pucks skating through the neutral zone. I'm not a scout but this is how I see it with my limited knowledge of the game. I am worried that this will get exposed in the NHL. Hope I'm wrong but I think he is real good in the "A" but vulnerable in the NHL. Kind of like Reid B. I would have rather seen Kole Lind with a shot. IMO, Booth is a good comparable for their skill sets (minus the 'weird dude-ness'). Not ever likely to be a true, top 6 PWF but can make a go of it as a complimentary middle 6 guy, IF he can translate his tools to the NHL level. We'll see.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, aGENT said: IMO, Booth is a good comparable for their skill sets (minus the 'weird dude-ness'). Not ever likely to be a true, top 6 PWF but can make a go of it as a complimentary middle 6 guy, IF he can translate his tools to the NHL level. We'll see.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 23 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: I think John was being harsh - David had some normal in him too: 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Cathode Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 On 2/3/2020 at 6:49 AM, dpn1 said: I have two concerns about Justin. Firstly, he is kind of soft for such big guy. When I watch Utica play I am always surprised at how little he is physical in games. Secondly, He is fast but seems to be out of control when he turns up the speed. It seems to me that he looses a lot of pucks skating through the neutral zone. I'm not a scout but this is how I see it with my limited knowledge of the game. I am worried that this will get exposed in the NHL. Hope I'm wrong but I think he is real good in the "A" but vulnerable in the NHL. Kind of like Reid B. I would have rather seen Kole Lind with a shot. Yep, scored 16 goals and 8 assists in his last 16 games - about half of them off the rush, because he is ‘out of control’ losing pucks in the neutral zone. Give me a break. The thing remarkable about Bailey is how well he controls the puck at speed. The only guy in Utica with better puck control than Bailey at speed is Rafferty. The negative on Bailey, at this point, is that he gets tunnel vision when he is moving with the puck - reminds of Jake in prior years in that respect. Whether Bailey can do this in the NHL, where D is bigger and stronger, better skilled and sounder positionally, is another question. Unlike MacEwen, who can be useful down the lineup, it is harder to see Bailey being effective there unless it is to bring a scoring threat to an otherwise defensive line. He is a plus player, but more, I think, because of his scoring prowess, not his defensive acumen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 Rather have him in than Schaller or Eriksson. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said: Rather have him in than Schaller or Eriksson. And it’s decisions like these that make me feel Green’s coaching actually hurts our team. Why in the hell is Loui still with Bo? Put Bess there and leave Jake with Petey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanukfanatic Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Junkyard Dog said: Rather have him in than Schaller or Eriksson. 1 hour ago, Alflives said: And it’s decisions like these that make me feel Green’s coaching actually hurts our team. Why in the hell is Loui still with Bo? Put Bess there and leave Jake with Petey. I would not mind seeing Big Mac and Bailey in for Loui and Schaller. However, saying Green makes bad decisions is quite ridiculous considering the Canucks lead the Pacific Division. Winning coaches don't typically throw two rookies into the line up during a run with mostly wins in the last 20 games. Edit: pretty much NO ONE, including me, would have thought the Canucks would lead the Pacific on Feb. 8th. Green has done a good job. I was just as pissed as most here during that bad run in Nov.-Dec. and blamed Green. Gotta give him props now. Edited February 9, 2020 by Kanukfanatic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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