Popular Post Kosmo Kramer Posted October 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 17, 2019 Gudbranson has come and gone, thankfully it turned into Pearson who is doing well for us, but I thought it would be interesting to examine the bigger picture and see what your thoughts are. We gave up Jared McCann 2016 2nd round pick ( Rasmus Asplund ) 2016 4th round pick ( Jonathan Ang ) We may have picked other players, but this is what those picks turned into. We recieved Gudbranson 2016 5th round pick ( Cole Candella ) And ultimately Tanner Pearson. At a quick look at the 3 prospects involved, don't look like they will make the NHL, so not much loss there. McCann 2018-2019 19G 16A - 37P - 78GP 2019-2020 2G 1A - 3P - 6GP Pearson as a Canuck 2018-2019 9G 3A - 12P - 19GP 2019-2020 2G 2A - 4P - 5GP McCann is 4 years younger at 23. Pearson is 15lbs heavier Same height. I don't watch Pittsburgh so I don't know exactly how McCann is doing but it seems he is averaging 15 minutes of ice time, same as Pearson. In hindsight, would you make the trade all over again? Should we have kept McCann instead? Who ended up with the best player? Also would McCann be a better version of Gaudette or will the hockey Gaud be better? I didn't think up a good ending for this thread, I usually just lurk lol. Please share your thoughts on the trades now that we have the power of hindsight. 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post captainhorvat Posted October 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 17, 2019 McCann had character issues. It was one of the reasons Benning got rid of him and im glad hes gone. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Where's Wellwood Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) I think it should be noted that McCann has has also been traded from the team we traded him to. So two teams have found him to be moveable piece. edit: Pearson and Gudbranson have also each been traded twice Edited October 17, 2019 by Where's Wellwood 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 I prefer to see the return received from the Kesler sale. There are so many side pieces that also came & went, making it not so clear. But at the end of the day, Kesler(who's basically done), has equalled, Sutter & Pearson. Say we were to flip these guys(down the road, even with some retention), for 2 2nd's. Then we'd have a chance at prolonging the value of(what originally was) a 2003 1st used on RK17. That's some pretty nice recycling, when green is good. Sort of like how 1988 1st rounder Linden, has ultimately given us Markstrom today. Recycling past gems is smart. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosmo Kramer Posted October 17, 2019 Author Share Posted October 17, 2019 24 minutes ago, captainhorvat said: McCann had character issues. It was one of the reasons Benning got rid of him and im glad hes gone. Are you referring to the " it is what it is" comment or is there more to the story? I don't think Pittsburgh fans are saying he had poor character. 23 minutes ago, Where's Wellwood said: I think it should be noted that McCann has has also been traded from the team we traded him to. So two teams have found him to be moveable piece. edit: Pearson and Gudbranson have also each been traded twice Kind of voided your own comment here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosmo Kramer Posted October 17, 2019 Author Share Posted October 17, 2019 Just now, Nuxfanabroad said: I prefer to see the return received from the Kesler sale. There are so many side pieces that also came & went, making it not so clear. But at the end of the day, Kesler(who's basically done), has equalled, Sutter & Pearson. Say we were to flip these guys(down the road, even with some retention), for 2 2nd's. Then we'd have a chance at prolonging the value of(what originally was) a 2003 1st used on RK17. That's some pretty nice recycling, when green is good. Sort of like how 1988 1st rounder Linden, has ultimately given us Markstrom today. Recycling past gems is smart. I would delve into a tree of the Kesler effect but I would like to mention he handcuffed the team with basically 1 real destination. Hard to get value in that position. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Just comparing the two of Pearson and McCann, I'd say McCann might be more valuable based on about equal levels of offense and being significantly younger, but that said, I'd still do the deal in the end since McCann obviously wasn't fitting here. It's also worth noting that I feel like Pearson could take on an internal leadership role as his time in Vancouver rolls on. I don't expect he'll ever wear a letter (given our rising young stars), but as he gets older and becomes a veteran, I can see him being a Sutter-type player for this team in terms of leadership. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Kosmo Kramer said: I would delve into a tree of the Kesler effect but I would like to mention he handcuffed the team with basically 1 real destination. Hard to get value in that position. Yeah, it was spoiled & petty. But as per that review, I'm fine with how it worked out. Let them MotherDuckers worry about 6.8 mill(x eternity) for some prima donna who's no longer hip. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhorvat Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Kosmo Kramer said: Are you referring to the " it is what it is" comment or is there more to the story? I don't think Pittsburgh fans are saying he had poor character. "It is what it is" comment was a bit over blown. But I believe the Sedins werent very impressed with the way McCann and Virtanen were conducting themselves the year they made the team. Andrey Pedan blasted his character and even Ben Huttons mom. Edited October 17, 2019 by captainhorvat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, captainhorvat said: "It is what it is" comment was a bit over blown. But I believe the Sedins werent very impressed with the way McCann and Virtanen were conducting themselves the year they made the team. Andrey Pedan blasted his character and even Ben Huttons mom. Someone's Mom forgot Edited October 17, 2019 by Nuxfanabroad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosmo Kramer Posted October 17, 2019 Author Share Posted October 17, 2019 19 minutes ago, captainhorvat said: "It is what it is" comment was a bit over blown. But I believe the Sedins werent very impressed with the way McCann and Virtanen were conducting themselves the year they made the team. Andrey Pedan blasted his character and even Ben Huttons mom. Not what you want to hear about a player. He was young and cocky. Maybe he will grow up, maybe not. Probably the right choice to move on if several teammates were rubbed the wrong way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhorvat Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, Kosmo Kramer said: Not what you want to hear about a player. He was young and cocky. Maybe he will grow up, maybe not. Probably the right choice to move on if several teammates were rubbed the wrong way. Yea this organization dont f around when it comes 2 bad character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whaleroad Train Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Totally off the topic - but I'm still chuckling at imagining Gudbranson as a butterfly. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosmo Kramer Posted October 17, 2019 Author Share Posted October 17, 2019 7 minutes ago, Whaleroad Train said: Totally off the topic - but I'm still chuckling at imagining Gudbranson as a butterfly. Where are our resident photoshoppers? We need a Gudbranson Butterfly stat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Kosmo Kramer said: Gudbranson has come and gone, thankfully it turned into Pearson who is doing well for us, but I thought it would be interesting to examine the bigger picture and see what your thoughts are. We gave up Jared McCann 2016 2nd round pick ( Rasmus Asplund ) 2016 4th round pick ( Jonathan Ang ) We may have picked other players, but this is what those picks turned into. We recieved Gudbranson 2016 5th round pick ( Cole Candella ) And ultimately Tanner Pearson. At a quick look at the 3 prospects involved, don't look like they will make the NHL, so not much loss there. McCann 2018-2019 19G 16A - 37P - 78GP 2019-2020 2G 1A - 3P - 6GP Pearson as a Canuck 2018-2019 9G 3A - 12P - 19GP 2019-2020 2G 2A - 4P - 5GP McCann is 4 years younger at 23. Pearson is 15lbs heavier Same height. I don't watch Pittsburgh so I don't know exactly how McCann is doing but it seems he is averaging 15 minutes of ice time, same as Pearson. In hindsight, would you make the trade all over again? Should we have kept McCann instead? Who ended up with the best player? Also would McCann be a better version of Gaudette or will the hockey Gaud be better? I didn't think up a good ending for this thread, I usually just lurk lol. Please share your thoughts on the trades now that we have the power of hindsight. Asplund, my opinion, will play NHL games. Make it a career? Remains to be seen. He's 21, already on his 5th year as a pro. Plays the 2 way game coaches love, plays hard. Has improved each of those 5 years. Slick skills under the surface, can play bottom 6. I'd love it if he was a Canuck prospect. edit, wholly geez, start of his 6th pro year. 35 games in the SHL in 2014/14. And he's just 21 now, he was 16. Then 3 more full years in the SHL, last year in the AHL. By all reports a solid year. Edited October 17, 2019 by Canuck Surfer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosmo Kramer Posted October 17, 2019 Author Share Posted October 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said: Asplund, my opinion, will play NHL games. Make it a career? Remains to be seen. He's 21, already on his 5th year as a pro. Plays the 2 way game coaches love, plays hard. Has improved each of those 5 years. Slick skills under the surface, can play bottom 6. I'd love it if he was a Canuck prospect. Thanks for the insight, really don't know anything about these guys other than a stat line. What is your opinion on the trade as a whole? Do you think we would be better off with McCann and Asplund than Pearson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alt kilgore Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Well, as Bertuzzi also discovered, it really is, what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Wasn't it Hutton's mom that said McCann was impolite? The last game vs McCann he got quite testy. Can't wait to see him again lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Canuck Surfer Posted October 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 17, 2019 41 minutes ago, Kosmo Kramer said: Thanks for the insight, really don't know anything about these guys other than a stat line. What is your opinion on the trade as a whole? Do you think we would be better off with McCann and Asplund than Pearson? With the benefit of hindsight? I would have kept McCann. But at the time I liked the deal. Gudbrandson was a former top 4 pick. Big, fast, a great athlete. Had been in the NHL already 4 years? I had hoped he would still develop some puck savvy. We were deeper at centre than on D. Where we were in desperate straights. Subban & Hutton were our best prospects. Bartkowski had been playing regular shifts to fill in the right side of our defence. Guddy looked fantastic to me. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 I don't really strike a direct correlation from McCann to Pearson. McCann is producing at a clip a little better than Baertschi was here. At the time we made the Gudbrandson / Pearson deal? Both were struggling. It was a bit numbing. I just shrugged when that one took place. Benning said he was clearing room to make moves in summer. I took him at his word on that one. Pearson probably had more potential to recover. He was the more accomplished player in the past. So far it looks good on all counts... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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