The DumbBrexit / #Wexit thread

[kingofsurrey]

8 hours ago, Boudrias said:

My daughter works in downtown Calgary at a dental firm. Their business is down almost 20% in 2 years. Been layoffs in their office. Dental insurance is running out so only absolute necessary work being done. She tells me her coworkers are all mad and many of them and their patients say they will vote Wexit. 

 

 

 

Good ridddens don't let the door hit them in the butt on the way out.... not real canadians from the sounds of it...

[Ryan Strome]

1 minute ago, kingofsurrey said:

Good ridddens don't let the door hit them in the butt on the way out.... not real canadians from the sounds of it...

 

[JM_]

31 minutes ago, Alflives said:

To me there is a social safety net government provides for those citizens who truly need help.  The more services a government tries to provide beyond that safety net, the more bureaucracy eats away at the dollars collected, and reduces the services.  

so isn't your argument really universality vs. merit based? and not really this capitalist-socialist thing?

[JM_]

7 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

 

thats really sad, &^@#ing depressing actually 

[JM_]

23 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

Yes they do. Incomes based on a finite resource that belongs to the people of AB. I understand your criticism of past AB governments spending and management. I am sure that if the oil industry was still healthy that the Wexit movement would not exist. I wouldn’t agree but most people, including Albertans simply want to live their lives. I have never agreed with equalization and I think Peter Lougheed caved into easterners. When all the oil is gone easterners will not give a crap about Alberta. 

when all the oil is gone, whats going to fuel your wexit economy? 

[Ryan Strome]

1 minute ago, Jimmy McGill said:

thats really sad, &^@#ing depressing actually 

The makers of those I'm sure think it's sad and depressing how Ottawa treats us.

[JM_]

28 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

I actually think Alberta would thrived a lot more without Canada. Ottawa policies and decisions over the years have hurt Alberta. 

and that makes Alberta unique how? what province hasn't been screwed over by Ottawa at one time or another? and before you say Quebec, you'd better read some history.

 

Well, if you want to define the entire relationship on money I guess thats fine. But don't be surprised when Canada charges you more than you expected for things like ocean access, or cuts you off completely for that matter. And, no, there won't be an army of UN blue helmets to get you access. 

[Curmudgeon]

Question: if Alberta somehow manages to actually separate and become a sovereign nation, how many present Albertans would decide to leave Alberta in order to retain their rights and privileges (and obligations and responsibilities) that are theirs as Canadians? I only ask because I would assume there are a lot of Albertans who don’t support independence. I just wonder what happens to them if their Canadian citizenship is taken away. Even if only 10% decided to move away from Alberta, you’d be losing about 450,000 people, virtually all of whom would probably have the financial means and job portability needed to start somewhere else. Quite a hit to the fledgling nation’s economy, to say nothing of the talent drain. 

[JM_]

Just now, Ryan Strome said:

The makers of those I'm sure think it's sad and depressing how Ottawa treats us.

Maybe. But they'd be wrong. What is the estimate, something like $5,000 per year per Albertan that people think goes to Ottawa unfairly? thats what your citizenship is worth RS? 

[Curmudgeon]

13 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

 

So sky, mountains, foothills, cow patties and wheat. Good summary.

[Ryan Strome]

1 minute ago, Jimmy McGill said:

and that makes Alberta unique how? what province hasn't been screwed over by Ottawa at one time or another? and before you say Quebec, you'd better read some history.

 

Well, if you want to define the entire relationship on money I guess thats fine. But don't be surprised when Canada charges you more than you expected for things like ocean access, or cuts you off completely for that matter. And, no, there won't be an army of UN blue helmets to get you access. 

Then to the US it is and their refineries continue to make a killing. We cut off BC pipelines and don't sell oil to Canada. Under your Trump plan we all suffer a bit. Cool

[Warhippy]

36 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

I actually think Alberta would thrived a lot more without Canada. Ottawa policies and decisions over the years have hurt Alberta. 

What onus do you put on Alberta's own decision making for the state of things?

[Gnarcore]

2 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

Then to the US it is and their refineries continue to make a killing. We cut off BC pipelines and don't sell oil to Canada. Under your Trump plan we all suffer a bit. Cool

That might actually force BC to develop our massive reserves offshore and blow away the inferior heavy crude you guys have.  I support this idea. 

 

 

 

 

 

Jokes aside...two simple words could solve all of this: Energy East. 

[Gnarcore]

1 minute ago, Warhippy said:

What onus do you put on Alberta's own decision making for the state of things?

That's not how victim complex works. 

Edited March 6, 2020 by Gnarcore

[JM_]

6 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

Then to the US it is and their refineries continue to make a killing. We cut off BC pipelines and don't sell oil to Canada. Under your Trump plan we all suffer a bit. Cool

But.... you've been saying all along that only selling to the US is whats killing Alberta. So which is it? do you need BC or not? 

[Ryan Strome]

3 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

What onus do you put on Alberta's own decision making for the state of things?

State of what? 

It's how much greater and richer we could have been.

[Warhippy]

21 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

 

So in essence.  You're out the door already.

 

Using a leftist slogan tied in with a trump slogan to boot.

 

I mean...k

 

But the moment you start wishing harm on my nation and our economy or actively working against it you're no better than an enemy or economic terrorist.

[Warhippy]

1 minute ago, Ryan Strome said:

State of what? 

It's how much greater and richer we could have been.

So, by lowering corporate rates to pre Klein levels and royalty rates to pre Lougheed levels.  Which is ENTIRELY provincial.

 

You don't feel as though you shot yourselves in the foot?

 

Think REALLY hard here.  Like super hard

[Ryan Strome]

4 minutes ago, Gnarcore said:

That might actually force BC to develop our massive reserves offshore and blow away the inferior heavy crude you guys have.  I support this idea. 

 

 

 

 

 

Jokes aside...two simple words could solve all of this: Energy East. 

Lol good luck with that.

EE, ya thanks JT.

1 minute ago, Jimmy McGill said:

But.... you've been saying all along that only selling to the US is whats killing Alberta. So which is it? do you need BC or not? 

Well we would save 23 billion a year..

[Ryan Strome]

3 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

So in essence.  You're out the door already.

 

Using a leftist slogan tied in with a trump slogan to boot.

 

I mean...k

 

But the moment you start wishing harm on my nation and our economy or actively working against it you're no better than an enemy or economic terrorist.

I have always said Alberta and Ottawa would be best friends and great trading partners it's you guys suggesting Canada would shoot itself in the foot.

2 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

So, by lowering corporate rates to pre Klein levels and royalty rates to pre Lougheed levels.  Which is ENTIRELY provincial.

 

You don't feel as though you shot yourselves in the foot?

 

Think REALLY hard here.  Like super hard

Nope and nope. Spurring growth because ndp high taxes and low price of oil(because of BC and JT)caused companies to leave and companies not to invest.