bishopshodan Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 12 minutes ago, Boudrias said: Minimum wage or not IMO it is about a family being able to sustain itself. Every year that governments deficit spend they lessen the buying power of what money is brought into the home. It is inflationary and subtle. Politicians don’t want people to truly understand what they are doing. They make promises they cannot pay for and tell voters they will get the money from the ‘rich guys’. That never works as the economy corkscrews downward. The socialist/communists like Sanders always point to the socialist dream countries in Euroland but doesn’t tell you they are broke. The Brits wanted out for a reason. If politicians truly wanted to help the people they would teach financial literacy in the schools. Neither side left or right do this, why? Any citizen with a strong financial understanding cannot be duped by those who want to exploit him. They would ask embarrassing questions of would be leaders who in all reality have trouble running a lemonade stand. I guess what I am asking is... If there is a min wage, how much should that be? How do we come up with a number? If you had the power would you do away with it all together? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyCanuck Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, Boudrias said: Any wage is a function of the company’s ability to pay it. Either the company has a high enough margin and revenue stream or it doesn’t. If it doesn’t then it has to take money from other parts of the business to pay for labor. Survivablity then becomes a question. Minimum wage cannot become the standard. People on minimum wage are exploited by all facets of society better organized than they are. Having a clear idea of how business works is a starter. Yes I agree and it doesn't help that schools don't touch on business like at all lol But having min wage actually helps the government more then anyone else. cause if you work for some cheap ahole then you'll probably find a better job..... min wages gives everyone a fighting chance , small and big business's but if you took it out, that would throw the whole Canadian market off a bit ha But would force companies to put their employees first and treat them right....in theory..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 25 minutes ago, Boudrias said: Minimum wage or not IMO it is about a family being able to sustain itself. Every year that governments deficit spend they lessen the buying power of what money is brought into the home. It is inflationary and subtle. Politicians don’t want people to truly understand what they are doing. They make promises they cannot pay for and tell voters they will get the money from the ‘rich guys’. That never works as the economy corkscrews downward. The socialist/communists like Sanders always point to the socialist dream countries in Euroland but doesn’t tell you they are broke. The Brits wanted out for a reason. If politicians truly wanted to help the people they would teach financial literacy in the schools. Neither side left or right do this, why? Any citizen with a strong financial understanding cannot be duped by those who want to exploit him. They would ask embarrassing questions of would be leaders who in all reality have trouble running a lemonade stand. boggles the mind 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 6 minutes ago, bishopshodan said: I guess what I am asking is... If there is a min wage, how much should that be? How do we come up with a number? If you had the power would you do away with it all together? You seem to want a $/hour number and to an extent it is irrelevant. Not for those who need help for sure. What is needed in one area won’t be the same elsewhere. What an economy can afford is the starting point. Hard decisions but necessary. I doubt that will happen. Understanding how business works + financial literacy is the base to start from. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, Boudrias said: You seem to want a $/hour number and to an extent it is irrelevant. Not for those who need help for sure. What is needed in one area won’t be the same elsewhere. What an economy can afford is the starting point. Hard decisions but necessary. I doubt that will happen. Understanding how business works + financial literacy is the base to start from. Yes I guess I am. So a job specific sliding scale based on the economy?.... Would we still have to establish a bottom ( min) for those entry level jobs? or no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, bishopshodan said: Should there be a minimum at all? Norway and Sweden don’t have a min wage. It’s based on the industry, McDonald’s cashiers, hotel and bartenders have a much lower starting wage than other industries. I’m fine with a min wage but think there needs to be consideration for what is deemed a wage for someone to survive vs what it a wage from someone just entering the workforce. Statscan recent reports stated the 59.8% of min wage earners were between 15-24, 40% of all min wage earners were between 15-24 and still living at home. this would indicate that Min wage is truly acting in place for entry level jobs. also Out of the percentage of people not living eith there parent only 15% We’re the sole or top earners on the household. We’re talking about 157k people in Canada who are trying to solely survive off min wage. https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/75-006-x/2018001/article/54974-eng.htm 3 minutes ago, bishopshodan said: If so, how do you calculate how much? You can set a limit but for the most part let the market decide. There’s a reason why McDonald cashiers in fort McMurray make more then McDonald’s cashiers in Lethbridge. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyCanuck Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 10 minutes ago, bishopshodan said: Yes I guess I am. So a job specific sliding scale based on the economy?.... Would we still have to establish a bottom ( min) for those entry level jobs? or no? Not really....cause the good workers will go where the money is..... also like anything the public sets the price.... This fantasy to were we are all equal and deserve to make what 16 bucks an hour....come on ha now that bread you bought for say 3 bucks now cost you six. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 So people will make what they can negotiate with the boss. All good. But then the boss gets the government to let foreign folk into the equation, who work for less than the people already here. This screws up the balancing act that was previously established. Boss wins Employee loses. Government loses as they get less tax. Rinse/repeat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, gurn said: So people will make what they can negotiate with the boss. All good. But then the boss gets the government to let foreign folk into the equation, who work for less than the people already here. This screws up the balancing act that was previously established. Boss wins Employee loses. Government loses as they get less tax. Rinse/repeat. Yep, and Raising min wages increases the rate at that happening, it raises the employee expense and forces the boss to look for cheaper alternatives than paying a entry level job so much. The two methods they look to is a foreign workforce (much of IT is already doing this) and the other option is for the “boss” to introduce more automation. Both result in less taxes for the govt. It’s why people should purchase and support local. Costs a bit more on your bill but it circulates back into our country. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violator Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 47 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: Yep, and Raising min wages increases the rate at that happening, it raises the employee expense and forces the boss to look for cheaper alternatives than paying a entry level job so much. The two methods they look to is a foreign workforce (much of IT is already doing this) and the other option is for the “boss” to introduce more automation. Both result in less taxes for the govt. It’s why people should purchase and support local. Costs a bit more on your bill but it circulates back into our country. Buying local wont happen everyone wants the cheaper option.Especially since everything is built so cheaply these days and doesnt last very long. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 11 minutes ago, Violator said: Buying local wont happen everyone wants the cheaper option.Especially since everything is built so cheaply these days and doesnt last very long. The more left wing socialist our governments become the closer we come to austerity. Then what happens to minimum wage? It must actually drop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duodenum Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 (edited) Quote That’s straight from page one of the conspiracy theory dictionary. Haha. It’s all part of some backdoor meeting where McDonalds and Wendy’s meets up with the king (burger king) and queen (dairy queen) to discuss how they are going to screw over the low income people and remove there worker rights. Unfortunately chik fil a couldn’t be there because it was held on a Sunday, they missed the memo and decided to pay their employee’s more screwing up the whole plan. Lol. Unfortunately none of the companies mentioned are corporations involved with ALEC, welp looks like that fast food industry is out. But thanks for the laugh. ooook? Quote The funny part is if there was a wage fix amongst companies, not only it is illegal, but if the gov’t is helping enforce and regulate that price fix that’s not capitalism, that’s wait for it…socialism, in a free market, all it would take is one competitor to increase there wages to attract and retain more competent talent and they immediately gain a huge competitive advantage over their industry. Wage fixing now? It goes like this: lobbying group has mandates that they lobby for or against. Businesses join/give money to these groups to see out their wishes. How you get from this to wherever you're going is beyond me. Quote Oh good, more anecdotal opinion where facts don’t support. For example The Business Barometer for BC small businesses shows that confidence as been consistently dropping and BC sits with the second lowest score in the country slightly ahead of Sask as of December of 2019. . In addition, 69.1 per cent of BC business owners in July said taxes and regulatory costs are causing major challenges for their business, representing a 1.1 point increase over the previous month. “July marks the two-year anniversary of BC’s current government. Over that time, small business concerns over taxes and regulatory costs has risen by more than 10 points,” says Richard Truscott, Vice-President, BC and Alberta. “This is clearly a red flag and should come as no surprise to provincial policy makers. Business owners face a multitude of new costs from the BC government, including imposition of the new Employer Health Tax and the rapidly rising minimum wage.” https://www.cfib-fcei.ca/en/media/business-barometerr-bc I thought I was making emotional claims? You've legit took a quantified emotional feeling (confidence) and used it for your own purposes lol. Not surprised to see confidence falling. You have an employee health tax, CPP increasing, carbon taxes, payroll increases, and left of center parties in power both provincially and federally. It's why I sometimes vote Liberal and other times Conservative. Minimum wage can be increased, but small businesses should be helped in other ways so it's less of a burden. So far, BC's unemployment is the lowest it's been since forever and small business grew 11% from 2014-2018 with minimum wage increasing in 2015, 2016, 2017, and 2018. Quote Because of these concerns and businesses that have been struggling MLA Bruce Ralston Minister of Jobs, Trade and Technology, was put in charge to create the Small Business Task Force. This was to come up with special interest ways to help support small business, from lowering taxes, to reducing the Property Transfer Tax rate to support small business succession, to introduce a lower minimum training wage to offset the high costs of training and lower productivity of those just entering the workforce, implement a training tax credit for inexperienced new hires and Ensure future minimum wage increases are predictable and tied to the Consumer Price Index or other economic indicators for British Columbia to accommodate inflation, as recommended by the Fair Wages Commission. http://bbot.ca/file/BC-Small-Business-TaskForce-Final-Report.pdf All good things. Alberta has a lower rate for young workers (13 vs 15$ per hour). Some have lower rates for restaurants/liquor serving where you get tips. If it helps, it should be looked as an option. Small business tax was lowered in BC from 2.5 to 2% to help offset some of the profit loss from increased payroll costs. Other things do need to be adjusted, I agree that simply increasing the minimum wage without also helping in other areas has ill effects as well, you assume too much. The largest block of minimum wagers are 15-19 and their liveable wage is a lot lower than adults. Edited March 2, 2020 by Duodenum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, Duodenum said: ooook? Wage fixing now? It goes like this: lobbying group has mandates that they lobby for or against. Businesses join/give money to these groups to see out their wishes. How you get from this to wherever you're going is beyond me. I thought I was making emotional claims? You've legit took a quantified emotional feeling (confidence) and used it for your own purposes lol. Not surprised to see confidence falling. You have an employee health tax, CPP increasing, carbon taxes, payroll increases, and left of center parties in power both provincially and federally. It's why I sometimes vote Liberal and other times Conservative. Minimum wage can be increased, but small businesses should be helped in other ways so it's less of a burden. So far, BC's unemployment is the lowest it's been since forever and small business grew 11% from 2014-2018 with minimum wage increasing in 2015, 2016, 2017, and 2018. All good things. Alberta has a lower rate for young workers (13 vs 15$ per hour). Some have lower rates for restaurants/liquor serving where you get tips. If it helps, it should be looked as an option. Small business tax was lowered in BC from 2.5 to 2% to help offset some of the profit loss from increased payroll costs. Other things do need to be adjusted, I agree that simply increasing the minimum wage without also helping in other areas has ill effects as well, you assume too much. The largest block of minimum wagers are 15-19 and their liveable wage is a lot lower than adults. You just finished saying raising min wage doesn’t impact small businesses.......now you’re agreeing that the govt had to go out of there way to help out small businesses due to the negative effects that raising min wage has on them. Haha you better stick to the conspiracy theories. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duodenum Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 21 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: You just finished saying raising min wage doesn’t impact small businesses.......now you’re agreeing that the govt had to go out of there way to help out small businesses due to the negative effects that raising min wage has on them. Haha you better stick to the conspiracy theories. Did I? I said BC is doing fine after the min wage increases, didn't touch on the effects of min wage effects on small business until the last post. You've got me so pigeon-holed I think you're arguing against some caricature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, Duodenum said: Did I? I said BC is doing fine after the min wage increases, didn't touch on the effects of min wage effects on small business until the last post. You've got me so pigeon-holed I think you're arguing against some caricature. that's their whole shtick. If you disagree, it's black or white--you're a communist/socialist (funny how they mix those 2 lol), tree hugging, liberal government lover. there is no grey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 Alberta just announced they are closing, partially closing or handing over control to "3rd party management" of dozens of parks in Alberta due to cuts. But at the same time has pledged to increase tourism funding to nearly $20 billion by 2030. Congrats on the onward privatization https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/mobile/20-alberta-parks-to-be-partially-or-fully-closed-after-government-review-1.4836740 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedestroyerofworlds Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 I thought trickle down voodoo economics would end up with all kinds of revenue. Guess not so they are forced to cut cut cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Warhippy said: Alberta just announced they are closing, partially closing or handing over control to "3rd party management" of dozens of parks in Alberta due to cuts. But at the same time has pledged to increase tourism funding to nearly $20 billion by 2030. Congrats on the onward privatization https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/mobile/20-alberta-parks-to-be-partially-or-fully-closed-after-government-review-1.4836740 That’s a good thing. Many of the parks are run down and quite pathetic to be honest. They don’t make money and there seems to be no interest in investing in them. I’m surprised A few more weren’t permanently closed. chain lakes. Camping at its finest. Haha. Good fishing spot though. A few were leased out over the last few years and have seem big revitalization’s making them much more attractive and even become pretty lucrative. They did announce the privation will be available non profits, aboriginals and municipalities. Which does limit the amount of investments they will see input. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 16 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: That’s a good thing. Many of the parks are run down and quite pathetic to be honest. They don’t make money and there seems to be no interest in investing in them. I’m surprised A few more weren’t permanently closed. chain lakes. Camping at its finest. Haha. Good fishing spot though. A few were leased out over the last few years and have seem big revitalization’s making them much more attractive and even become pretty lucrative. They did announce the privation will be available non profits, aboriginals and municipalities. Which does limit the amount of investments they will see input. Parks don't exist to make money. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, inane said: Parks don't exist to make money. It’s funny I see your reply but all I can hear is 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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