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2 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

this is the part that disgusts me. Alberta has prospered greatly in the Canadian system. If they did the sensible thing and had even a small PST of 2% they'd save themselves a lot of grief. But the mythology has taken root,  there may be no going back now. Isolationism never solves anything but if you're correct thats what they want. 

Some of us don’t agree with your take on how well AB has done under eastern rule. You spend a lot of time defending your line of thought but I cannot agree anymore. 

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10 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

this is the part that disgusts me. Alberta has prospered greatly in the Canadian system. If they did the sensible thing and had even a small PST of 2% they'd save themselves a lot of grief. But the mythology has taken root,  there may be no going back now. Isolationism never solves anything but if you're correct thats what they want. 

How about the rest of Canada does the sensible thing and stops taxing the heck out if their citizens in order to fund socialism?  

 

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7 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

Some of us don’t agree with your take on how well AB has done under eastern rule. You spend a lot of time defending your line of thought but I cannot agree anymore. 

Well lets look at some facts then, lets begin with income: Albertans have the highest salaries don't they? man that must be a burden. 

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4 minutes ago, Alflives said:

How about the rest of Canada does the sensible thing and stops taxing the heck out if their citizens in order to fund socialism?  

 

How about you do the sensible thing since you hate our healthcare and social democracy and go live in America where you can then whine about paying for everything you take for granted here?  Love to see you complaining about our healthcare while declaring bankruptcy in what you claim is afar super system to what you claim is our communist socialist lazy freeloader system.

 

Your schtick has gotten so very, very old.  At least King of the ES kept up to date in his trolling

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3 minutes ago, Alflives said:

How about the rest of Canada does the sensible thing and stops taxing the heck out if their citizens in order to fund socialism?  

 

well, you and I will have to fight and eventually agree on whats "socialism" vs sensible social programs. The every man for himself thing is another myth, capitalist societies have never actually been that way. 

 

I think its a distraction to say something is socialism, when sometimes it just makes the most economic sense to do something via governments ability to obtain an economy of scale that individual companies could never do. Do you care more about the label of capitalism vs socialism or do you care about whats done in the most effective way? 

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4 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

well, you and I will have to fight and eventually agree on whats "socialism" vs sensible social programs. The every man for himself thing is another myth, capitalist societies have never actually been that way. 

 

I think its a distraction to say something is socialism, when sometimes it just makes the most economic sense to do something via governments ability to obtain an economy of scale that individual companies could never do. Do you care more about the label of capitalism vs socialism or do you care about whats done in the most effective way? 

To me there is a social safety net government provides for those citizens who truly need help.  The more services a government tries to provide beyond that safety net, the more bureaucracy eats away at the dollars collected, and reduces the services.  

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13 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

Well lets look at some facts then, lets begin with income: Albertans have the highest salaries don't they? man that must be a burden. 

I actually think Alberta would thrived a lot more without Canada. Ottawa policies and decisions over the years have hurt Alberta. 

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7 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

Well lets look at some facts then, lets begin with income: Albertans have the highest salaries don't they? man that must be a burden. 

Yes they do. Incomes based on a finite resource that belongs to the people of AB. I understand your criticism of past AB governments spending and management. I am sure that if the oil industry was still healthy that the Wexit movement would not exist. I wouldn’t agree but most people, including Albertans simply want to live their lives. I have never agreed with equalization and I think Peter Lougheed caved into easterners. When all the oil is gone easterners will not give a crap about Alberta. 

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32 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

Some of us don’t agree with your take on how well AB has done under eastern rule. You spend a lot of time defending your line of thought but I cannot agree anymore. 

Maybe Alberta shouldn't have mismanaged the one resource of their banana republic. To go from over 20% royalties to just over 5% is a large factor in the financial state they're in. Alberta was screwed over by their own government along with the powers out east. That and that one resource is an inferior product these days to what the US pumping out in record numbers. 

 

 

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8 hours ago, Boudrias said:

My daughter works in downtown Calgary at a dental firm. Their business is down almost 20% in 2 years. Been layoffs in their office. Dental insurance is running out so only absolute necessary work being done. She tells me her coworkers are all mad and many of them and their patients say they will vote Wexit. 

 

 

 

Good ridddens don't let the door hit them in the butt on the way out.... not real canadians from the sounds of it...

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1 minute ago, kingofsurrey said:

Good ridddens don't let the door hit them in the butt on the way out.... not real canadians from the sounds of it...

 

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31 minutes ago, Alflives said:

To me there is a social safety net government provides for those citizens who truly need help.  The more services a government tries to provide beyond that safety net, the more bureaucracy eats away at the dollars collected, and reduces the services.  

so isn't your argument really universality vs. merit based? and not really this capitalist-socialist thing?

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7 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

 

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thats really sad, &^@#ing depressing actually :sadno:

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23 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

Yes they do. Incomes based on a finite resource that belongs to the people of AB. I understand your criticism of past AB governments spending and management. I am sure that if the oil industry was still healthy that the Wexit movement would not exist. I wouldn’t agree but most people, including Albertans simply want to live their lives. I have never agreed with equalization and I think Peter Lougheed caved into easterners. When all the oil is gone easterners will not give a crap about Alberta. 

when all the oil is gone, whats going to fuel your wexit economy? 

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1 minute ago, Jimmy McGill said:

thats really sad, &^@#ing depressing actually :sadno:

The makers of those I'm sure think it's sad and depressing how Ottawa treats us.

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28 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

I actually think Alberta would thrived a lot more without Canada. Ottawa policies and decisions over the years have hurt Alberta. 

and that makes Alberta unique how? what province hasn't been screwed over by Ottawa at one time or another? and before you say Quebec, you'd better read some history.

 

Well, if you want to define the entire relationship on money I guess thats fine. But don't be surprised when Canada charges you more than you expected for things like ocean access, or cuts you off completely for that matter. And, no, there won't be an army of UN blue helmets to get you access. 

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Question: if Alberta somehow manages to actually separate and become a sovereign nation, how many present Albertans would decide to leave Alberta in order to retain their rights and privileges (and obligations and responsibilities) that are theirs as Canadians? I only ask because I would assume there are a lot of Albertans who don’t support independence. I just wonder what happens to them if their Canadian citizenship is taken away. Even if only 10% decided to move away from Alberta, you’d be losing about 450,000 people, virtually all of whom would probably have the financial means and job portability needed to start somewhere else. Quite a hit to the fledgling nation’s economy, to say nothing of the talent drain. 

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Just now, Ryan Strome said:

The makers of those I'm sure think it's sad and depressing how Ottawa treats us.

Maybe. But they'd be wrong. What is the estimate, something like $5,000 per year per Albertan that people think goes to Ottawa unfairly? thats what your citizenship is worth RS? 

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13 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

 

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So sky, mountains, foothills, cow patties and wheat. Good summary.

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1 minute ago, Jimmy McGill said:

and that makes Alberta unique how? what province hasn't been screwed over by Ottawa at one time or another? and before you say Quebec, you'd better read some history.

 

Well, if you want to define the entire relationship on money I guess thats fine. But don't be surprised when Canada charges you more than you expected for things like ocean access, or cuts you off completely for that matter. And, no, there won't be an army of UN blue helmets to get you access. 

Then to the US it is and their refineries continue to make a killing. We cut off BC pipelines and don't sell oil to Canada. Under your Trump plan we all suffer a bit. Cool

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