Jimmy McGill

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48 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

Alberta does need to diversify its economy there’s no question about that. 

True, but Canada needs Alberta's oil revenues to support its urban centers as welfare states.  Alberta will get help, but mostly to continue producing those oil tax dollars the feds need so badly.  Alberta could diversify, but do the feds want that?  No, the Feds want (NEED) the oil money.  Without the oil money, who pays for the comfortable lives for the Cappuccino drinking city people to have all that free time?

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@ForsbergTheGreat I really like how you very clearly explained equalization but my friend you are on your own I give up explaining it to hip and Jim. It's Jimmy who really shocks me given his education level.

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31 minutes ago, Boone Jenner said:

Within reason everything has up's and downs.. Western Canada has been supporting Eastern Canada long enough and still cant even garnish a right to even have their vote heard. When was the last time the east has put up for equalization payments? to use the last 4 years in perspective to the last 35 with how the west has supported is bogus.

Questions to ask, Is this system fair to the west? Why hasn't electoral reform happened?

 

The east shouldn't hold all the cards, parity and fairness should be in the fore front for this country, the pride for diversity can take a back seat.

well, Saskatchewan has benefitted greatly from equalization in the past. And Manitoba has always been a have not province, and still are. BC currently does not get any equalization payments either, but there isn't anything like the anger in Alberta over it. So its not the entire west.

 

As a political ploy, stoking anger over equalization is very misleading. It makes it sound like AB "gets nothing" which is far from true. 

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3 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

I didn't quote government stats Alf, I used the actual money transferred and the article explaining how equalization is calculated is pure bean counting, no spin. Thats why I picked them, so we'd all have a real base of info to argue from.

 

 

No you didn't as ftg pointed out again you're wrong. You pick certain links...there is no doubt in my mind you're one hell of a lawyer. :P

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2 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

well, Saskatchewan has benefitted greatly from equalization in the past. And Manitoba has always been a have not province, and still are. BC currently does not get any equalization payments either, but there isn't anything like the anger in Alberta over it. So its not the entire west.

 

As a political ploy, stoking anger over equalization is very misleading. It makes it sound like AB "gets nothing" which is far from true. 

BC contributes 4 billion not over 20 billion ffs.

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4 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

@ForsbergTheGreat I really like how you very clearly explained equalization but my friend you are on your own I give up explaining it to hip and Jim. It's Jimmy who really shocks me given his education level.

you just don't like to admit AB gets billions back. 

 

Look at all of the federal transfers on a per capita basis which I know is a metric you like. Its equivalent on health and social transfers, which is most of the money everyone else gets too. 

 

As i pointed out, even if AB got equalization back on a per capita basis, its hardly an amount to separate over. 

 

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3 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

No you didn't as ftg pointed out again you're wrong. You pick certain links...there is no doubt in my mind you're one hell of a lawyer. :P

Forsberg is a troll that I have on ignore. 

 

I picked facts RS, you can't argue with the actual transfer payments :picard:

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25 minutes ago, Boone Jenner said:

And every PM before him, not one person who was running had electoral reform in their parties platform. 

Neither of the big two, that's for sure. They both have the most to lose from it is probably the biggest reason why ;)

 

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2 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

well, Saskatchewan has benefitted greatly from equalization in the past. And Manitoba has always been a have not province, and still are. BC currently does not get any equalization payments either, but there isn't anything like the anger in Alberta over it. So its not the entire west.

 

As a political ploy, stoking anger over equalization is very misleading. It makes it sound like AB "gets nothing" which is far from true. 

Its far less, on the same notion they're on route to an even larger downward spiral after having a sustainable economy for years, the fairness rides in that 54 plus billion that east continually get for equalization. Hind sight 50/50 sure Alberta should've looked at investing in other economies, but no one was complaining while oil was up and they were sustainable.I cant speak in regard to all Albertans but I feel they just want the support in fairness that Quebec and Ontario have been offered for the last 10-15 years.

 

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Why are we jumping on alberta when the bloc have been rattling the seperation sword since before and after the election?

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1 minute ago, Boone Jenner said:

Its far less, on the same notion they're on route to an even larger downward spiral after having a sustainable economy for years, the fairness rides in that 54 plus billion that east continually get for equalization. Hind sight 50/50 sure Alberta should've looked at investing in other economies, but no one was complaining while oil was up and they were sustainable.I cant speak in regard to all Albertans but I feel they just want the support in fairness that Quebec and Ontario have been offered for the last 10-15 years.

There's two big issues with that though. One is the assumption that there's no benefit to Alberta in maintaining equality of services across Canada, which is far from true. One of the main benefits is labour mobility, which conveniently gets forgotten for one thing.

 

Second, most transfer money is fairly distributed back. Alberta gets the same health and social transfer money back as everyone else does, close to 7 billion per year. If you gave them equalization back on the same basis it would be up to ~9 billion. Not really that big of a difference. 

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1 minute ago, Violator said:

Why are we jumping on alberta when the bloc have been rattling the seperation sword since before and after the election?

Because "the west" is too outraged at the injustices it is experiencing to care about a small outcropping of non-English-speaking peasants on the other side of the country... 

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Violator said:

Why are we jumping on alberta when the bloc have been rattling the seperation sword since before and after the election?

because Wexit is such an epically stupid idea, even worse than Quebec leaving. 

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4 minutes ago, aGENT said:

Neither of the big two, that's for sure. They both have the most to lose from it is probably the biggest reason why ;)

 

I'll quote the genius him self. 
"Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over expecting the same results."

This is my frustration, will we see another scandal? Will we have more broken promises? Stay tuned in Canadian politics.

It's really unfortunate also that they tell everyone to go and vote, your vote makes a difference when its the same pissing pot every 4 years.

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1 minute ago, Boone Jenner said:

I'll quote the genius him self. 
"Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over expecting the same results."

This is my frustration, will we see another scandal? Will we have more broken promises? Stay tuned in Canadian politics.

It's really unfortunate also that they tell everyone to go and vote, your vote makes a difference when its the same pissing pot every 4 years.

Your vote can/does make a difference. Just not as much of one as if we had election reform (which isn't in the best interests of either of the two main parties). 

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So how come in the boom times, Alberta isn't investing in diversification? I'm old enough to remember the same BS happened in the 80's. Then the oil companies point fingers, lay everyone off and laugh because their profit margins stay the same. 

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18 minutes ago, Boone Jenner said:

I'll quote the genius him self. 
"Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over expecting the same results."

This is my frustration, will we see another scandal? Will we have more broken promises? Stay tuned in Canadian politics.

It's really unfortunate also that they tell everyone to go and vote, your vote makes a difference when its the same pissing pot every 4 years.

 

15 minutes ago, aGENT said:

Your vote can/does make a difference. Just not as much of one as if we had election reform (which isn't in the best interests of either of the two main parties). 

I look at it this way:

 

Suppose, for sake of argument, that "Redmonton" elected a Liberal candidate. (I know, it's far-fetched, but bear with me) Unless that MP was a complete neophyte, he or she would be virtually guaranteed a cabinet position and a platform from which to promote an Alberta friendly agenda. Instead, Albertans went all-in on the Trudeau hating and as a result, don't have a seat at the adult table.

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3 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

 

I look at it this way:

 

Suppose, for sake of argument, that "Redmonton" elected a Liberal candidate. (I know, it's far-fetched, but bear with me) Unless that MP was a complete neophyte, he or she would be virtually guaranteed a cabinet position and a platform from which to promote an Alberta friendly agenda. Instead, Albertans went all-in on the Trudeau hating and as a result, don't have a seat at the adult table.

Yet people in Quebec keep voting Bloc. 

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39 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

you just don't like to admit AB gets billions back. 

 

Look at all of the federal transfers on a per capita basis which I know is a metric you like. Its equivalent on health and social transfers, which is most of the money everyone else gets too. 

 

As i pointed out, even if AB got equalization back on a per capita basis, its hardly an amount to separate over. 

 

Jim Alberta gave 49 billion and received back 22 billion for a difference of 27 billion in 2016.

38 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

Forsberg is a troll that I have on ignore. 

 

I picked facts RS, you can't argue with the actual transfer payments :picard:

Same answer as above 

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