The DumbBrexit / #Wexit thread

[Warhippy]

4 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

yeah but what? I don't get it. Harper lit the fuse, Trudeau but on the ban. What am I dodging? 

It's a form of gaslighting as best I can tell honestly.

[RowdyCanuck]

14 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

No.  No not at all

 

Running a pipeline through a field.  Cleaning up a few hundred gallons of standing oil is one thing.

 

Losing hundreds of thousands of gallons in an ocean tide churned up by ship traffic is entirely different.  That's not the cost of business.  That's me effectively telling you I will run this sewer line through your pool.  If it breaks, it's your clean up.  But I'll give you $5 out of every $46 I make so don't worry.  If it DOES blow up though, I guess everyone else will pay for it including you.  but for  the short term it's all on you

I agree it would do more damage in b.c but how can you say your beauty is worth more then wheat fields or prairies water?

Once again your problem is with the tanker companies not pipeline.....also inforce policies to help protect you against those tankers, heck take part of that billion and invest in clean ups and regulations so tankers can't pull shady crap.....

Now on to the money part now you know how Alberta feels......

[RowdyCanuck]

Hey @Ryan Strome you think hippie will let me run b.c now that I've explained things as simple as they get? Lol 

[Ryan Strome]

1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said:

I'm not dodging anything. What are you talking about? 

You claimed we are getting screwed because you were screwed in BC. Want me to go back and quote it all for you?

1 hour ago, Warhippy said:

Claims you are dodging...still has not answered a yes or no question after like 4 days and over 14 times being asked it.

Lol 2 things.

It's not a yes or no and I answered your question. 

How come you won't tell us more about the National democratic party lol

[Ryan Strome]

47 minutes ago, RowdyCanuck said:

Hey @Ryan Strome you think hippie will let me run b.c now that I've explained things as simple as they get? Lol 

Nah he is a die hard socialist. So unless you propose massive spending and taxes he won't like you.

[Ryan Strome]

1 hour ago, Warhippy said:

No.  No not at all

 

Running a pipeline through a field.  Cleaning up a few hundred gallons of standing oil is one thing.

 

Losing hundreds of thousands of gallons in an ocean tide churned up by ship traffic is entirely different.  That's not the cost of business.  That's me effectively telling you I will run this sewer line through your pool.  If it breaks, it's your clean up.  But I'll give you $5 out of every $46 I make so don't worry.  If it DOES blow up though, I guess everyone else will pay for it including you.  but for the short term it's all on you

Ya cause no other countries run pipelines to the ocean and have tankers transporting that product in the ocean.

1 hour ago, Warhippy said:

I've said it twice.  Alberta without the mountains and up to 70% of its remaining landmass; including oil will effectively be the Dakotas without the shale.

 

There's literally NO way the US allows a tiny landlocked nation that has literally zero leverage the same rights it has as part of the nation of Canada.  At all.

 

But that camp keeps claiming otherwise.  it's remarkable.  Because the US has a history of not giving nations with oil and no military backing "freedom" at all

Lol again 2 things we wouldn't lose our land and the Us has allowed Canada do exist so why not an independent Alberta? Canada has no leverage and is heavily dependent on the US economically, militarily and Canada has everything they need. So by your logic why have they let Canada exist?

 

#superioritycomplex

[Boudrias]

1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said:

Harper absolutely gutted the oil portfolio. But Trudeau buying TMX to ensure it happens is what he's mad about?  

 

We haven't touched on it much, but you have to wonder what effect landlocked Albertastan will have on grain shipments, beef, pork, etc. Unless the plan is for Alberta to compete with the US on that too, and have them as their main customer? 

 

BC won't be joining the pity party. Manitoba either. As usual Alberta's best laid plans require partners. 

 

A independent Alberta is an extreme scenario. You seem to take pleasure in broad brushing what is happening in that province with a condescending and superior attitude. So be it. If that day comes Alberta will continue to ship 4 million boe/d to the Americans. AB ans SASK will continue to ship their grain down south as well as through Vancouver. If you do not think AB is economically viable then perhaps some number crunching is in order.

 

As weak as you judge the independent AB position perhaps BC's isolation from the rest of Canada is worth note. If we like to dwell on extreme scenarios perhaps BC has more in common with Washington, Oregon and Cali. Imagine Alaskan crude coming down the Inside Passage!  I will vote Wexit federally and provincially next time. I'm done with eastern Canada. That said I suspect Kenney at best will move out of the CPP and maybe chuck the RCMP out.     

[JM_]

8 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

You claimed we are getting screwed because you were screwed in BC. Want me to go back and quote it all for you?

thats correct. 

 

The point that seems to be eluding you is you want to continue the kind of approach that Harper undertook. Even though it created the conditions for the over-reaction that is C48. 

[RowdyCanuck]

10 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

Nah he is a die hard socialist. So unless you propose massive spending and taxes he won't like you.

But my way actually works and has been proven.......

sad day for Canada , the so called hill billies are smarter then the know it all city people......

[JM_]

2 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

A independent Alberta is an extreme scenario. You seem to take pleasure in broad brushing what is happening in that province with a condescending and superior attitude. So be it. If that day comes Alberta will continue to ship 4 million boe/d to the Americans. AB ans SASK will continue to ship their grain down south as well as through Vancouver. If you do not think AB is economically viable then perhaps some number crunching is in order.

 

As weak as you judge the independent AB position perhaps BC's isolation from the rest of Canada is worth note. If we like to dwell on extreme scenarios perhaps BC has more in common with Washington, Oregon and Cali. Imagine Alaskan crude coming down the Inside Passage!  I will vote Wexit federally and provincially next time. I'm done with eastern Canada. That said I suspect Kenney at best will move out of the CPP and maybe chuck the RCMP out.     

whats that now? I'm not the one claiming my province carries the rest of the country or demonizes other provinces. I'm not the one angrily calling out people. You guys are the ones claiming Alberta has a superior position in all this, not me. 

 

Why would Vancouver allow AB grain through its port if AB doesn't allow free moment of goods? Alberta is in a total no-win situation from a negotiation pov. 

[RowdyCanuck]

5 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

A independent Alberta is an extreme scenario. You seem to take pleasure in broad brushing what is happening in that province with a condescending and superior attitude. So be it. If that day comes Alberta will continue to ship 4 million boe/d to the Americans. AB ans SASK will continue to ship their grain down south as well as through Vancouver. If you do not think AB is economically viable then perhaps some number crunching is in order.

 

As weak as you judge the independent AB position perhaps BC's isolation from the rest of Canada is worth note. If we like to dwell on extreme scenarios perhaps BC has more in common with Washington, Oregon and Cali. Imagine Alaskan crude coming down the Inside Passage!  I will vote Wexit federally and provincially next time. I'm done with eastern Canada. That said I suspect Kenney at best will move out of the CPP and maybe chuck the RCMP out.     

So b.c wants to he like calli a failed liberal state , that has enough homeless to start its own army?.....ha go for it

[RowdyCanuck]

Just now, Jimmy McGill said:

whats that now? I'm not the one claiming my province carries the rest of the country or demonizes other provinces. I'm not the one angrily calling out people. You guys are the ones claiming Alberta has a superior position in all this, not me. 

 

Why would Vancouver allow AB grain through its port if AB doesn't allow free moment of goods? Alberta is in a total no-win situation from a negotiation pov. 

Like I stated you can make a case for Alberta supporting Canada...oil is Canada's big money earner and that all starts in Alberta. 

 

Lol money.....Alberta will just give Canada a discount lol  a trade agreement that works for both parts and Alberta does have a lil power cause they could say screw Canada and ship threw the states, I'm sure trump would happily take their money but that would cost more but it's an option. 

It's a poker game at that point though.....last one standing takes the pot

[JM_]

2 minutes ago, RowdyCanuck said:

So b.c wants to he like calli a failed liberal state , that has enough homeless to start its own army?.....ha go for it

Calgary actually has a higher homeless count. But sure.

 

BC is the most diversified province economically, with the least dependence on the US as well. We'll be fine. Alberta has no leverage, at all. If they want to ship oil to anywhere but the US or grain for that matter, they have to allow free passage of goods. If they don't, BC has other options like shipping through the US . Sure it adds cost but BC isn't landlocked. All trucks have to do is pop down to the US along the #3 and pop back up in SK. Pain in the butt, sure, but hardly doomsday. 

[JM_]

2 minutes ago, RowdyCanuck said:

Like I stated you can make a case for Alberta supporting Canada...oil is Canada's big money earner and that all starts in Alberta. 

 

Lol money.....Alberta will just give Canada a discount lol  a trade agreement that works for both parts and Alberta does have a lil power cause they could say screw Canada and ship threw the states, I'm sure trump would happily take their money but that would cost more but it's an option. 

It's a poker game at that point though.....last one standing takes the pot

you can make a case that its important. You HAVE to make the case that it "carries" Canada if you're Alberta and unwilling to change how you act and what they believe. 

[RowdyCanuck]

1 minute ago, Jimmy McGill said:

Calgary actually has a higher homeless count. But sure.

 

BC is the most diversified province economically, with the least dependence on the US as well. We'll be fine. Alberta has no leverage, at all. If they want to ship oil to anywhere but the US or grain for that matter, they have to allow free passage of goods. If they don't, BC has other options like shipping through the US . Sure it adds cost but BC isn't landlocked. All trucks have to do is pop down to the US along the #3 and pop back up in SK. Pain in the butt, sure, but hardly doomsday. 

You sure? You would actually get it the hardest cause your fruit and cattle get shipped by truck don't they? A lot of small business would be crippled cause of shipping cost......

[Boudrias]

2 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

whats that now? I'm not the one claiming my province carries the rest of the country or demonizes other provinces. I'm not the one angrily calling out people. You guys are the ones claiming Alberta has a superior position in all this, not me. 

 

Why would Vancouver allow AB grain through its port if AB doesn't allow free moment of goods? Alberta is in a total no-win situation from a negotiation pov. 

So what is your plan Jimmy ship everything headed for the ROC thru the Canal? BC would be isolated from the rest of Canada and you say AB is in an untenable position? If BC did not ultimately join AB then a 'quid pro quo' (thought you would like that) would have to be worked out. Surprise, just like real countries. 

[RowdyCanuck]

Just now, Jimmy McGill said:

you can make a case that its important. You HAVE to make the case that it "carries" Canada if you're Alberta and unwilling to change how you act and what they believe. 

In Canada oil is the most important cause right now our money wagon is tied to that industry..

[JM_]

1 minute ago, RowdyCanuck said:

You sure? You would actually get it the hardest cause your fruit and cattle get shipped by truck don't they? A lot of small business would be crippled cause of shipping cost......

not really, its a small detour. NAFTA allows free movement so again, we're fine. We can subsidize the additional shipping if need be until Alberta comes to its senses. 

[JM_]

1 minute ago, RowdyCanuck said:

In Canada oil is the most important cause right now our money wagon is tied to that industry..

again, please get the numbers to prove that. 88% of our GDP is from other sources. 

[JM_]

3 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

So what is your plan Jimmy ship everything headed for the ROC thru the Canal? BC would be isolated from the rest of Canada and you say AB is in an untenable position? If BC did not ultimately join AB then a 'quid pro quo' (thought you would like that) would have to be worked out. Surprise, just like real countries. 

no, it effectively would not be. Have you heard of planes? we have US shipping options. And if Alberta chose to close the border with BC you'd be bankrupt.