[GDT] Canucks @ Ducks, November 1, 2019 // 7.00 PM PT // SNP

[mll]

Just now, theo5789 said:

How are they deliberately hurting his career?

 

Benning has said they weren't done with him. They still had plans for him. To me it sounds like he's simply in our depth. Even if they play him as a showcase, then it wouldn't be long. That's what happened with Gagner. I guess we will see how this plays out.

Calling him up to be a pressbox player pretty much shows other teams that he's not a NHLer anymore.  If he continues to play in the AHL he might still be able to convince a team that he is a NHL option.  His understanding is that the Canucks were done with him.  He was even asked about that meeting between his agent and Benning and was wondering how can he be a recall option if they think he doesn't fit the team.

[Squamfan]

9 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Glad that got cleared up.  Furley is done.  He can't play his game if he gets concussed so easily.  Can he go on permanent LTIR, like Hossa?

 

 

 

 

[TFerguson]

15 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Glad that got cleared up.  Furley is done.  He can't play his game if he gets concussed so easily.  Can he go on permanent LTIR, like Hossa?

Hope you're wrong. 

 

 

[Nuxfanabroad]

If Roussel is indeed back soon, this might work out smoothly.

 

Give Ferland a lengthy time on LTIR('til late season). Cap should be kosher. Nice ace up sleeve for Spring?

[theo5789]

6 minutes ago, mll said:

Calling him up to be a pressbox player pretty much shows other teams that he's not a NHLer anymore.  If he continues to play in the AHL he might still be able to convince a team that he is a NHL option.  His understanding is that the Canucks were done with him.  He was even asked about that meeting between his agent and Benning and was wondering how can he be a recall option if they think he doesn't fit the team.

Waiving him and him clearing waivers would suggest he's not an NHL player anymore. We are rewarding his hard work on the farm and being a professional. It helps show the players internally that we continue to reward effort and character.

[mll]

5 minutes ago, theo5789 said:

Waiving him and him clearing waivers would suggest he's not an NHL player anymore. We are rewarding his hard work on the farm and being a professional. It helps show the players internally that we continue to reward effort and character.

Clearing waivers at the start of the season happens regularly - team are focused on getting cap compliant and getting down to 23 players.  He also missed considerable time last season and there were concussion concerns.  Those seem to be lifted with his play in Utica - not shying from contact.  

 

They could have just as well recalled Boucher who just won the AHL player of the month award.  There are scouts watching down in Utica and maybe he can catch the eye of a team.  Canucks need his cap space and sitting does nothing to help trade him.

 

Edited November 1, 2019 by mll

[mll]

 

[Timråfan]

18 minutes ago, mll said:

Calling him up to be a pressbox player pretty much shows other teams that he's not a NHLer anymore.  If he continues to play in the AHL he might still be able to convince a team that he is a NHL option.  His understanding is that the Canucks were done with him.  He was even asked about that meeting between his agent and Benning and was wondering how can he be a recall option if they think he doesn't fit the team.

What? 

When the Canucks finally have some depth why is this an issue...  The Canucks might need up to 8 players from Utica. 

[mll]

1 minute ago, Timråfan said:

What? 

When the Canucks finally have some depth why is this an issue...  The Canucks might need up to 8 players from Utica. 

He's not an AHLer but a NHLer.  Benning did what he could to find a team for Biega so he could stay in the NHL.  Would think he wants to do the same for Baertschi.

 

Very few GMs will prevent a player from finding a better opportunity to play in the NHL.  The recall is weird if they don't intend to play him.  

Canucks also need his cap space.  Pettersson and Hughes are well on their way to hit their performance bonus targets.  

[stawns]

4 minutes ago, mll said:

He's not an AHLer but a NHLer.  Benning did what he could to find a team for Biega so he could stay in the NHL.  Would think he wants to do the same for Baertschi.

 

Very few GMs will prevent a player from finding a better opportunity to play in the NHL.  The recall is weird if they don't intend to play him.  

Canucks also need his cap space.  Pettersson and Hughes are well on their way to hit their performance bonus targets.  

If Ferland is concussed they won't be trading anyone

[-Vintage Canuck-]

PREGAME | Sven Baertschi

 

[mll]

6 minutes ago, stawns said:

If Ferland is concussed they won't be trading anyone

Baertschi doesn't have to be the one sitting in the pressbox - they have other players who could benefit from the paycheck and the experience.  After all he went through last year would hope for his career to get back on track - needs to go to a team that could use him as a lineup regular.  

[Toni Zamboni]

6-2 Nux!

 

[stawns]

Just now, mll said:

Baertschi doesn't have to be the one sitting in the pressbox - they have other players who could benefit from the paycheck and the experience.  After all he went through last year would hope for his career to get back on track - needs to go to a team that could use him as a lineup regular.  

he'll likely take Ferland's regular spot on the 2nd line with Bo and Jake

[-Vintage Canuck-]

PREGAME | Travis Green

 

[Davathor]

21 minutes ago, mll said:

 

 

Sven's a borderline NHLer on a bad team, and doesn't have the toolbox to play bottom 6.

 

When he could have been picked up for free and wasnt, maybe he should have figured out "why am I here again"

[Nuxfanabroad]

The LW position is interesting, & a sorta' microcosm of the whole team. I was long frustrated by the slow, small soft wingers we seemed to always be stuck with. Yet they had a stealthy purpose, helping us bide time(collect high picks) as a master was strategizing an onslaught.

 

Now it appears another example of JB's brilliance.

 

He sorted things that were higher priority. Get some bodies in, then some toughness..make sure these vets have decent character. He was NEVER dependent upon outside variables(beyond control) like the F*ckin bounce of lotto balls, in Gary's rigged Casino. Some teams have put their chips on that wheel, hoping for a sudden-turnaround.

 

When folks are b*tchin'(esp HFtypes) about a deficiency, Jimbo seems to sort it out when the time is right. Now on LW there are options like Miller, Sven, Pearson, Schaller, Brother LouiE, Roussel(soon), & Ferland will have time to heal. Seems every move is initially heckled, then forgotten(dismissed), but months(or yr+) later, it starts to fit the jigsaw.

 

Seemed he did this first with key positions, G, C, then D..& now the W's are filling in. It was a sweet 'pincer' strategy, with decent vets over the top, & brewing youth(spread in various leagues) coming thru the bottom.

 

As this plan comes to full fruition, there appears a Toyota-like, conveyor efficiency of ripened ELC's arriving, just-on-time, to buttress this beauty-squad. Still-young leaders like Bo & others, will show the next arriving waves how things are done here.

 

As a builder, Benning has my respect. If this comes together, as beautifully as I'm imagining..it's gonna' be Sam Pollock-level visionary.

[tas]

6 minutes ago, Davathor said:

 

Sven's a borderline NHLer on a bad team, and doesn't have the toolbox to play bottom 6.

 

When he could have been picked up for free and wasnt, maybe he should have figured out "why am I here again"

sven was a top 6 forward on a bad team. he's a borderline nhler on a good team that doesn't have a spot in the top 6 for him. 

 

either way, he's been a loyal soldier for this team and deserves respect and gratitude. 

[theo5789]

22 minutes ago, mll said:

Clearing waivers at the start of the season happens regularly - team are focused on getting cap compliant and getting down to 23 players.  He also missed considerable time last season and there were concussion concerns.  Those seem to be lifted with his play in Utica - not shying from contact.  

 

They could have just as well recalled Boucher who just won the AHL player of the month award.  There are scouts watching down in Utica and maybe he can catch the eye of a team.  Canucks need his cap space and sitting does nothing to help trade him.

 

I get the showcase aspect in which case he might get up to 3 games and then he's traded or sent back down in that case (like what was done with Gagner). However, then it has to be decided who's sitting out while he's being showcased, which means supplanting someone who's likely been performing decently while the team has been hot. I'm not opposed to Baertschi getting into the lineup, I just don't see who would sit in place of him right now. We could keep sitting Gaudette to bank his waiver status longer, but that doesn't seem to be how the Canucks currently run things as they gave up Motte's waiver eligibility and played him last season.

 

Boucher has been tried and tested and he's simply a good AHLer. AHL awards mean nothing to an NHL club. Baertschi is the obvious choice to be most NHL ready and we are down a couple of bodies, so why not call him up and let the younger guys get more game time?

[mll]

3 minutes ago, theo5789 said:

I get the showcase aspect in which case he might get up to 3 games and then he's traded or sent back down in that case (like what was done with Gagner). However, then it has to be decided who's sitting out while he's being showcased, which means supplanting someone who's likely been performing decently while the team has been hot. I'm not opposed to Baertschi getting into the lineup, I just don't see who would sit in place of him right now. We could keep sitting Gaudette to bank his waiver status longer, but that doesn't seem to be how the Canucks currently run things as they gave up Motte's waiver eligibility and played him last season.

 

Boucher has been tried and tested and he's simply a good AHLer. AHL awards mean nothing to an NHL club. Baertschi is the obvious choice to be most NHL ready and we are down a couple of bodies, so why not call him up and let the younger guys get more game time?

Those young guys could also benefit from the experience - a week up and then bring up someone else.  I don't get why you would want to put someone that is trying to get his career back on track after a tough year in the pressbox.  Most GMs across the league do what they can to give players an opportunity elsewhere.