canuck73_3 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 1 minute ago, billabong said: If anyone thinks Barrie isn’t better than how he’s playing now you’re delusional. He’s a 50 point dman playing in a abysmal system making him look bad the only problem I have with Barrie is the on-ice fit, our first pp unit seems pretty set and top 4 d when it’s healthy so that puts Barrie on the 3rd pair and 2nd pp unit to start? Sounds similar to the situation he’s in now Difference being we're a better team with a coach that isn't grossly overrated. Also gives Green /Newell/Baumer the freedom to move him up the lineup when necessary and distribute minutes better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Stelar said: Lol, the people who prefer Stetcher over Barrie. I like Stetch as well but come on man....... So if you prefer Barrie over Stecher, why do the Leafs do the deal then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Dazzle said: So if you prefer Barrie over Stecher, why do the Leafs do the deal then? Leafs wouldn’t do that. They’d want Tanev. Likely they’d fire Babcock first, before any trades. Then see is the coaching change helps. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bree2 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 45 minutes ago, mll said: A Tippett quote - he was referring to his IHL days but it seems pretty actual. Kids now grow up modelling their games after Karlsson and the likes so systems adjust to players coming up through the draft. « We had a player that was supposed to be a great, shut-down defenseman. He was supposedly the be-all, end-all of defensemen. But when you did a 10-game analysis of him, you found out he was defending all the time because he can’t move the puck. « Then we had another guy, who supposedly couldn’t defend a lick. Well, he was defending only 20 percent of the time because he’s making good plays out of our end. He may not be the strongest defender, but he’s only doing it 20 percent of the time. So the equation works out better the other way. I ended up trading the other defenseman. » This was Peters on Barrie last playoffs: but wasn't that last season? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Not selling low on Ferland as others have mentioned. What's wrong with Barrie this season? Same amount of ice time but his scoring has taken a nosedive. Before determining if his defensive game is any good I would have to decline since Stecher and Benn are working well as a bottom pair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 1 minute ago, bree2 said: but wasn't that last season? On a team that isn't a complete tire fire, I said when they acquired him Barrie is the wrong Dman for the Leafs to acquire. They have enough offensive dmen they need a Tanev/another Muzzin type. And Barrie is on an expiring deal due for a raise they can't afford, they have to trade him by deadline at lower value because every team knows they can’t keep him, or lose him for free. Terrible asset management. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 11 minutes ago, Dazzle said: So if you prefer Barrie over Stecher, why do the Leafs do the deal then? I think the Leafs are desperate for a solid defensive dman. Stech has similar cap hit, so it could be done by both teams. TO (nor Van)cannot take on a salary anymore than Barrie's 2.7m, so Stech might be the best they can find at that price. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bree2 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Just now, canuck73_3 said: On a team that isn't a complete tire fire, I said when they acquired him Barrie is the wrong Dman for the Leafs to acquire. They have enough offensive dmen they need a Tanev/another Muzzin type. And Barrie is on an expiring deal due for a raise they can't afford, they have to trade him by deadline at lower value because every team knows they can’t keep him, or lose him for free. Terrible asset management. well I guess if he is as great as everyone says, I don't think we could afford what he wants either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 (edited) 32 minutes ago, bree2 said: well I guess if he is as great as everyone says, I don't think we could afford what he wants either He should come in around the 5.5-6.5 range which is doable here with a move or 2. He's not in the $7mil+ range Edited November 18, 2019 by canuck73_3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 42 minutes ago, Dazzle said: So if you prefer Barrie over Stecher, why do the Leafs do the deal then? The Leafs can't keep Barrie. He's earning $6M this year, the Av's are retaining salary. Next year he's a UFA. The Leafs do it because he walks, guaranteed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6string Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Winnipeg may be interested for a 3/4 season rental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 (edited) Canucks should just wait till FA cause either way, he will be eating up alot of caps space, so why give away assets and just take your chances on FA. Edited November 18, 2019 by ShawnAntoski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 (edited) 57 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: On a team that isn't a complete tire fire, I said when they acquired him Barrie is the wrong Dman for the Leafs to acquire. They have enough offensive dmen they need a Tanev/another Muzzin type. And Barrie is on an expiring deal due for a raise they can't afford, they have to trade him by deadline at lower value because every team knows they can’t keep him, or lose him for free. Terrible asset management. But asset management... GM JB has none. DURRRR. Why didn't Benning trade a 1st away to get rid of Eriksson? /sarc Edited November 18, 2019 by Dazzle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sbriggs Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 5 hours ago, Alflives said: Would we do Stecher straight across for Barrie? Barrie is on the expiring deal, but has serious offence. Stecher is a hard working character guy, who isn’t costing too much. maybe but i doubt TO does that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sbriggs Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 5 hours ago, Alflives said: True, but Barrie is a proven 50 plus point PP guy. Couldn’t he play with Benn 5 on 5, and be on PP two for Edler? That could lower eddie’s minutes too. I really like Stecher’s effort though, and Barrie is only a rental. Ya maybe he'd have to agree to a new contract if we brought him in, I'm pretty happy with Stetcher and would rather use him if traded for top 6 winger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sbriggs Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 3 hours ago, Alflives said: Tanev is such a warrior though. He plays the right way, and is tough as they come. Barrie has put up big points, and is still relatively young. If it was straight across, and no retention, then I could see JB thinking about it. I'd have to think about it straight across, but if were going to move a d man it has to be for a top 6 winger, I can't see us waisting our D assets unless its for top 6 help on wing for Bo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrockBoester Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 5 hours ago, 70seven said: Stecher + Ferland for Barrie. I just tried that on EANHL Leafs rejected and then somehow hacked my XBox in revenge for my insulting offer If the Leafs wanted Ferky they would have signed him and Stetcher unfortunately falls a LITTLE short on Barrie's value 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIC_CITY Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Kanukfanatic said: Edler Myers Hughes Tanev Benn Barrie That would be great. Rathbone and Woo developing nicely. You could always change it up too: Edler Barrie Hughes Tanev Benn Myers Give Edler less minutes than 25 per night. Good defence and offence on each pairing. People saying they wouldn't trade Troy, I get it. He's a fan favorite. But in Green's eyes, he doesn't play the PP and he rarely kills penalties, so he's expendable. Barrie would instantly be one of our best PP options from the backend. I don't think Stetcher alone gets it done though. Barrie is off to a rough start but he's one of the top producing defensemen over the last 5 years and is still only 28. So he holds a decent amount of value around the league IMO. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 5 hours ago, Alflives said: Would we do Stecher straight across for Barrie? Barrie is on the expiring deal, but has serious offence. Stecher is a hard working character guy, who isn’t costing too much. It was reported that the general consensus of how other teams value Stetcher is a 3rd round pick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter Soldier Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Brutal proposal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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