EddieVedder Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 7 hours ago, AbrasiveAjax said: I picked up on Boeser and Miller tension, they are not talking to one another on the bench.........sulking frustrated looks on their faces..........says allot Veterans and rookies need to work hard, play for one another and support one another The reality is that we are not playing good hockey right now and the team we love may not be as good as we thought after an easy October We need to stop comparing Petterson to the McDavids or the Mackinnons. I love Petey, but he will never come close to being as dominant at those 2. Physically, they are just incredible athletes with a drive and determination that only comes around in a generation. This city is so desperate for stars that they are forcing themselves to see things in Peterson, Boeser and Hughes that just arent there. Petterson, to me, is a player you can build around, with support from Horvat and Boeser but lets slow down here. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieVedder Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 9 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said: Injuries have taken thier toll on Tanev. He's not the same guy he was 3 seasons ago. Do you really want to extend a defensemen that 69 games is the best he's had in 4 years? I like Tanev. But I'd like to see a d-man who can remain healthy the majority of the season. Or as Bieska put it. "Why can't you block shots with your shin pads like everyone else?" Tanev is still a heck of a player. Hes just skating around all over the place making up for the $&!#-show Hughes is defensively. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanukfanatic Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, EddieVedder said: We need to stop comparing Petterson to the McDavids or the Mackinnons. I love Petey, but he will never come close to being as dominant at those 2. Physically, they are just incredible athletes with a drive and determination that only comes around in a generation. This city is so desperate for stars that they are forcing themselves to see things in Peterson, Boeser and Hughes that just arent there. Petterson, to me, is a player you can build around, with support from Horvat and Boeser but lets slow down here. Settle down there Eddie! MacKinnon is 24 yrs old in his 7th season. It took him 5 seasons before his pts/game was as high as Petey in his first year (.93) when Petey was a skinny bambi type player. McDavid is 22 years old and in his 5th season. McDavid's pts/game in his 1st season (1.07) was not significantly higher than Petey's (.93). There is a chance that Pettersson continues to put on weight and continue his increase in pts/game. He is already at 1.14 pts/game this year and it doesn't look like he is anywhere near being the best he will ever be. Your negativity is based on nothing. Good job!! Edit: and PS....your bolded statement is just dumb. You bring up both McDavid and MacKinnon and say they are generational and then say there is only one per generation. Here is a little secret....THEY ARE THE SAME GENERATION!! Edited November 21, 2019 by Kanukfanatic 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 49 minutes ago, shad0w4life said: Jake brings EPs PPG down if you look at previous experiment, guess it's worth a try again but last year he made him worse. Fair enough and it may fail again, but at least he has got Miller on the other wing. its just an attempt to get Bo going again. We need 2 scoring lines.... at worst its a failed attempt... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honky Cat Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 34 minutes ago, EddieVedder said: This all started when Sutter and Beagle went down. This goes to show that you need experience down the middle in order to win in the NHL. Petterson is an amazing player, but he looks tired and not physically ready to carry the team. He needs Horvat to play his game, but its impossible for Horvat to play his game when hes covering for Beagle and Sutter being out. I know Hughes is playing well on the PP and is good at making outlet passes, but he is atrocious and a huge liability in his own end. Its blatantly obvious he doesnt have the frame or the physical build to play against the Benns or Seguins of this league who completely dominated him last night. The team, in general, looks tired and desperately needs Roussel and Ferland in the lineup to add some bite and muscle to the lineup. You could say Tanev and Edler as well....Anytime two guys go down who play the same position, you're in trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieVedder Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 24 minutes ago, Kanukfanatic said: Settle down there Eddie! MacKinnon is 24 yrs old in his 7th season. It took him 5 seasons before his pts/game was as high as Petey in his first year (.93) when Petey was a skinny bambi type player. McDavid is 22 years old and in his 5th season. McDavid's pts/game in his 1st season (1.07) was not significantly higher than Petey's (.93). There is a chance that Pettersson continues to put on weight and continue his increase in pts/game. He is already at 1.14 pts/game this year and it doesn't look like he is anywhere near being the best he will ever be. Your negativity is based on nothing. Good job!! Edit: and PS....your bolded statement is just dumb. You bring up both McDavid and MacKinnon and say they are generational and then say there is only one per generation. Here is a little secret....THEY ARE THE SAME GENERATION!! Whos being negative? I said Peterson is a player any team can build around but we have a lot of desperate fans in this city who want to see him turn into a McDavid or a McKinnon. Its not happening. Those 2 were physical beasts right away, especially McDavid who was already doing things we'd never seen on the ice. You can have more than one generational talent playing in the NHL at a time. IE Wayne and Mario 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanukfanatic Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 25 minutes ago, EddieVedder said: Whos being negative? I said Peterson is a player any team can build around but we have a lot of desperate fans in this city who want to see him turn into a McDavid or a McKinnon. Its not happening. Those 2 were physical beasts right away, especially McDavid who was already doing things we'd never seen on the ice. You can have more than one generational talent playing in the NHL at a time. IE Wayne and Mario Generational means once per generation. But whatever. I guess the stats I provided mean nothing eh? lol Ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanukfanatic Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 26 minutes ago, EddieVedder said: Whos being negative? I said Peterson is a player any team can build around but we have a lot of desperate fans in this city who want to see him turn into a McDavid or a McKinnon. Its not happening. Those 2 were physical beasts right away, especially McDavid who was already doing things we'd never seen on the ice. You can have more than one generational talent playing in the NHL at a time. IE Wayne and Mario ...well I just showed you it took Petey 1 season to do better than McKinnon did until 5 years in. As for being a beast, Petey was already knocking players down a few games ago at 180 lbs and he has plenty of time to fill out. I don't buy your narrative. To each their own I guess. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cup2022 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 1 hour ago, EddieVedder said: This all started when Sutter and Beagle went down. This goes to show that you need experience down the middle in order to win in the NHL. Petterson is an amazing player, but he looks tired and not physically ready to carry the team. He needs Horvat to play his game, but its impossible for Horvat to play his game when hes covering for Beagle and Sutter being out. I know Hughes is playing well on the PP and is good at making outlet passes, but he is atrocious and a huge liability in his own end. Its blatantly obvious he doesnt have the frame or the physical build to play against the Benns or Seguins of this league who completely dominated him last night. The team, in general, looks tired and desperately needs Roussel and Ferland in the lineup to add some bite and muscle to the lineup. Pretty sure he wasn't on the ice for any of goals last night correct? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanukfanatic Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 29 minutes ago, Cup2022 said: Pretty sure he wasn't on the ice for any of goals last night correct? In the 6 - 1 loss to Dallas, Petey was a 0 plus minus. So he was not the issue other than not scoring. You sir.....are correct!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 1 hour ago, EddieVedder said: We need to stop comparing Petterson to the McDavids or the Mackinnons. I love Petey, but he will never come close to being as dominant at those 2. Physically, they are just incredible athletes with a drive and determination that only comes around in a generation. This city is so desperate for stars that they are forcing themselves to see things in Peterson, Boeser and Hughes that just arent there. Petterson, to me, is a player you can build around, with support from Horvat and Boeser but lets slow down here. Trolls are here; took awhile but there here !! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
How swede it is Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 23 hours ago, Dogcrazy said: What's the point in saying this captain? This was a tie game earlier in the 1st, so what? lol...BS and don't even know what he is talking about... If we score on the 5 on 3 or the power play after, it's a tie or we even take the lead. But alas.....I can dream can't I? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CptCanuck16 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Where his the post game interview with Green???? I wanted to hear him say we played good for the most part and had our chances. Dallas is a heavy team and that's how it goes in hockey sometimes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 3 hours ago, EddieVedder said: We need to stop comparing Petterson to the McDavids or the Mackinnons. I love Petey, but he will never come close to being as dominant at those 2. Physically, they are just incredible athletes with a drive and determination that only comes around in a generation. This city is so desperate for stars that they are forcing themselves to see things in Peterson, Boeser and Hughes that just arent there. Petterson, to me, is a player you can build around, with support from Horvat and Boeser but lets slow down here. Man, this is when I really miss Chris Cornell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 checkout the Dallas Stars first, third and fourth goals.... Great examples of setting up the "Attack Triangle" (especially goal #4), very simple play and it looks complicated but it is not. watch how the puck is distributed wide every time coming over the blue line, either by skating it wide or passing it wide; this act sets up the "attack triangle" because it spreads the defending "D"....once the puck is wide, the other players know exactly where to go and the puck carrier knows where the other players will be...(trailing and heading for the net), if the pass is to the trailer, then the trailing player knows he has a player wide and a player heading to the net as well. This is a very simple and effective play that the Dallas Stars set up almost every time they cross the blue line on the rush. TG needs to get the Canucks to do this every time on the rush because it is a hard play to defend (the best way to defend it is to step up quickly on the player taking the puck wide...give him no space). Very hard to do especially when the rushing team has more players than the defending team on the rush. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attila Umbrus Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, Pete M said: checkout the Dallas Stars first, third and fourth goals.... Great examples of setting up the "Attack Triangle" (especially goal #4), very simple play and it looks complicated but it is not. watch how the puck is distributed wide every time coming over the blue line, either by skating it wide or passing it wide; this act sets up the "attack triangle" because it spreads the defending "D"....once the puck is wide, the other players know exactly where to go and the puck carrier knows where the other players will be...(trailing and heading for the net), if the pass is to the trailer, then the trailing player knows he has a player wide and a player heading to the net as well. This is a very simple and effective play that the Dallas Stars set up almost every time they cross the blue line on the rush. TG needs to get the Canucks to do this every time on the rush because it is a hard play to defend (the best way to defend it is to step up quickly on the player taking the puck wide...give him no space). Very hard to do especially when the rushing team has more players than the defending team on the rush. ....you know he won’t tho.... That being said, you have a good way of breaking down systems and explaining them clearly. You can go back and watch game tape and see what you are talking about...Just wanted to say thanks, i’m learning some things off ya! cheers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CptCanuck16 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 3 hours ago, EddieVedder said: Whos being negative? I said Peterson is a player any team can build around but we have a lot of desperate fans in this city who want to see him turn into a McDavid or a McKinnon. Its not happening. Those 2 were physical beasts right away, especially McDavid who was already doing things we'd never seen on the ice. You can have more than one generational talent playing in the NHL at a time. IE Wayne and Mario Personally, I'm not desperately wanting Pettersson to be McDavid or McKinnon. I just want him to be a PPG player who is clutch and consistent. Someone we can count on to score the big goal when we need it most. Trevor Linden was like that. That's why the fans loved him. Not because he was the next Gretzky but because he kicked his game up a notch and practically willed the puck into the net when the team needed it the most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Attila Umbrus said: ....you know he won’t tho.... That being said, you have a good way of breaking down systems and explaining them clearly. You can go back and watch game tape and see what you are talking about...Just wanted to say thanks, i’m learning some things off ya! cheers It's kind of an applied science....coaching that is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attila Umbrus Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Pete M said: It's kind of an applied science....coaching that is. I could imagine. Never coached just played. And not that high of level haha. But enough to know when I see experience. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borderline Canuck Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Don't get all the hate for Baer. He's looked good to me. I think he needs to play with Pete. He's got the hands and skill to play with him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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