Viper007 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Provost said: Except we have a ton of veterans for that 13th spot who are simply better. Baertschi, Leivo, Motte, Goldobin, Graovac, Schaller, etc so it isn't young prospects sitting there and stagnating. Why do you care so much about who the 13th forward is? He's not playing and that's what is right. He has been passed by AHL players now. It does no good having him in Utica. The younger players need to play to develop, so younger players should play in the AHL, until injuries in the NHL happen that they can get into the lineup with the Canucks. As long as LE is in the press box, it doesn't matter, IMO. Baertschi - Top 6 or no use. Leivo - In the top 12, so don't know why mentioned. Motte - In the top 12, so don't know why mentioned. Goldobin - Top 6 or no use. Graovac - Playing instead of LE because of injuries. Once team is healthy, will be sent back to Utica. Schaller - In the top 12, so don't know why mentioned. You have to think if sending LE to Utica is good for Utica. He may be a cancer and not be professional about being demoted to Utica. As for having play on another AHL team, LE would have to agree to that. He's not hurting the Canucks (by all accounts, he's been a professional) sitting in the press box. Only thing hurting the Canucks is his cap hit, but to get rid of that you have to trade him (or him retiring). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckNORRIS4Cup Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 It's funny when you go to the Score App and click on Loui Eriksson they give him a Mercy point, it says he has 1 point on the season, but has 0 goals and 0 assists 12 GP, 0 points, 0 hits..... 0 shots on net in his last 4 games. How the heck does a guy who's trying to prove he belongs in the NHL, and says he's worried about his stats as a Swedish born player, not have 1 shot in 4 games.... Looks to me that this guy has given up completely, and is just riding it out now only. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrockBoester Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 (edited) We only save a little over a million by sending him down. I have a feeling if we're in the race by trade deadline we'll pay a pick or prospect to get someone to take his contract, and if we're clearly not playoff bound (which I still find unlikely) then we trade him in the off-season. Or we could just get the bus to drop him off at a kiddy rink on the way to the game and he'd probably still think he was playing in the bigs anyway, he doesn't seem like a super bright guy. That being said, poor old Loui is definitely the weakest link on this team, which is a good thing for the other forwards on the roster. Means we're on the way up while relics of the past like Eriksson are on their way to working at a swedish McDonalds. I bet he wouldn't even salt the fries properly though and you better not order a burger with no Onions or he'll throw a fit about how his skill in the kitchen isn't being utilized in the correct role! Edited November 22, 2019 by BrockBoester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted November 22, 2019 Author Share Posted November 22, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Viper007 said: Why do you care so much about who the 13th forward is? He's not playing and that's what is right. He has been passed by AHL players now. It does no good having him in Utica. The younger players need to play to develop, so younger players should play in the AHL, until injuries in the NHL happen that they can get into the lineup with the Canucks. As long as LE is in the press box, it doesn't matter, IMO. Baertschi - Top 6 or no use. Leivo - In the top 12, so don't know why mentioned. Motte - In the top 12, so don't know why mentioned. Goldobin - Top 6 or no use. Graovac - Playing instead of LE because of injuries. Once team is healthy, will be sent back to Utica. Schaller - In the top 12, so don't know why mentioned. You have to think if sending LE to Utica is good for Utica. He may be a cancer and not be professional about being demoted to Utica. As for having play on another AHL team, LE would have to agree to that. He's not hurting the Canucks (by all accounts, he's been a professional) sitting in the press box. Only thing hurting the Canucks is his cap hit, but to get rid of that you have to trade him (or him retiring). As has been said repeatedly...just because Eriksson is sent to Utica, it doesn’t mean he plays there. It puts pressure on him to decide if he wants to spend three years riding busses away from his family and just practicing and working out without getting many minutes. The chance of getting $6 million off our cap isn’t a small thing. There is no reason the team shouldn’t play hardball with him at least to test the waters. Your list about the other options is just plain wrong on pretty much every line. Baertschi - Actually very solid defensively, better option than LE at this point. Can and has played anywhere in the top 9. Leivo - quite possibly not in the top 12 on a healthy team, fighting with several other veterans Motte - almost certainly not in the top 12 on a healthier team Goldobin - We get injuries in the top six and he is certainly better than Eriksson by a huge margin in that role Graovac - better option as a veteran 13th forward by far than Eriksson. Has provided more impact and offence in a one game call up than Eriksson has the entire season to date. Schaller - probably not in a healthy top 12. Pearson-Petterson-Boeser Miller-Horvat-Virtanen Roussel-Gaudette-Sutter Ferland-Beagle-Leivo Schaller- Motte Which two guys deserve to be waived in place of Eriksson on that roster? Baertschi, Graovac, MacEwan, Goldobin... which NHL level experienced guy in the minors doesn’t deserve the injury call up and will be more impactful than Eriksson? Add in all the other guys on the farm that could use a look and a short term stint as an injury call up who won’t get a chance because of a floating waste of roster spot player who has exhausted more opportunities than most players get. Edited November 22, 2019 by Provost 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 33 minutes ago, coastal.view said: you seem to be quite upset and expending a lot of energy on the final roster spot (it's the 23rd spot, not 13th) it is a depth spot and really never has to be used unless there a multiple injuries on back to back nights of games otherwise there is sufficient time to call up other comet players not sure why the final roster spot warrants so much critique Because he has been used and has been even more useless than last year. There's zero reason to allow this worthless piece of garbage to further disgrace the Canucks jersey with his pitiful excuse for effort. The 23rd spot isn't glorious, but Eriksson hasn't even played well enough to be capable of performing that role satisfactorily. Even in an emergency, playing this floater isn't acceptable. As a result, getting him off the team by any means necessary is vital. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 31 minutes ago, Viper007 said: Why do you care so much about who the 13th forward is? He's not playing and that's what is right. He has been passed by AHL players now. It does no good having him in Utica. The younger players need to play to develop, so younger players should play in the AHL, until injuries in the NHL happen that they can get into the lineup with the Canucks. As long as LE is in the press box, it doesn't matter, IMO. Baertschi - Top 6 or no use. Leivo - In the top 12, so don't know why mentioned. Motte - In the top 12, so don't know why mentioned. Goldobin - Top 6 or no use. Graovac - Playing instead of LE because of injuries. Once team is healthy, will be sent back to Utica. Schaller - In the top 12, so don't know why mentioned. You have to think if sending LE to Utica is good for Utica. He may be a cancer and not be professional about being demoted to Utica. As for having play on another AHL team, LE would have to agree to that. He's not hurting the Canucks (by all accounts, he's been a professional) sitting in the press box. Only thing hurting the Canucks is his cap hit, but to get rid of that you have to trade him (or him retiring). If he causes problems in Utica then you suspend him without pay and look into terminating his contract for cause. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Provost said: As has been said repeatedly... not because Eriksson is sent to Utica, it doesn’t mean he plays there. It puts pressure on him to decide if he wants to spend three years riding busses away from his family and just practicing and working out without getting many minutes. The chance of getting $6 million off our cap isn’t a small thing. There is no reason the team shouldn’t play hardball with him at least to test the waters. Your list about the other options is just plain wrong on pretty much every line. Baertschi - Actually very solid defensively, better option than LE at this point. Can and has played anywhere in the top 9. Leivo - quite possibly not in the top 12 on a healthy team, fighting with several other veterans Motte - almost certainly not in the top 12 on a healthier team Goldobin - We get injuries in the top six and he is certainly better than Eriksson by a huge margin in that role Graovac - better option as a veteran 13th forward by far than Eriksson. Has provided more impact and offence in a one game call up than Eriksson has the entire season to date. Schaller - probably not in a healthy top 12. Pearson-Petterson-Boeser Miller-Horvat-Virtanen Roussel-Gaudette-Sutter Ferland-Beagle-Leivo Schaller- Motte Which two guys deserve to be waived in place of Eriksson on that roster? Baertschi, Graovac, MacEwan, Goldobin... which NHL level experienced guy in the minors doesn’t deserve the injury call up and will be more impactful than Eriksson? Add in all the other guys on the farm that could use a look and a short term stint as an injury call up who won’t get a chance because of a floating waste of roster spot player who has exhausted more opportunities than most players get. Goldy is doing well in the AHL. Since his contract is cheap, I'm hoping we can get a pick for him. Eriksson the best thing would be to send him down. Maybe sending him down, taking buses can light a fire in him. If not it saves a little off the cap. And at this stage it might not be much of a choice but to send him down as we're getting close to the cap once everyone is healthy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6string Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 3 hours ago, Squamfan said: rumor is green wants him in utica and benning does not Source puleeez! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 Just now, 6string said: Source puleeez! Someone said Rick Dhaliwal said this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6string Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 4 hours ago, RonMexico said: What they do with Eriksson is so low on my list of things to care about. As long as he is sitting and not eating up a roster spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squamfan Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 18 minutes ago, 6string said: Source puleeez! saw a tweet on canucks twitter few days a go 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6string Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 2 hours ago, NUCKER67 said: Ferland is skating, Roussel is recovering and practicing. If they send Gaudette down to fit Loui in up here, I will just shake my head in confusion. Baertschi also needs to go back to Utica, he isn't very effective. Baertschi hopefully gets traded to continue his career in the NHL, he's been a great pro and gets it too. Sadly Loui is going from the press box to the lineup for the year, possibly playing a third to half the schedule. There is no solution, this room has put out every possible meaningful way to fix it. Meanwhile I am so looking forward to having Gaudette remaining, Rouselle returning, Ferland, Motte and Sutter healthy again playing heavy hockey in our push to the playoffs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 The good old days when you could have just put Eriksson on the first plane to Sweden to play out the rest of his days in the SHL with cap hit off the books. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper007 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 56 minutes ago, Provost said: As has been said repeatedly... not because Eriksson is sent to Utica, it doesn’t mean he plays there. It puts pressure on him to decide if he wants to spend three years riding busses away from his family and just practicing and working out without getting many minutes. The chance of getting $6 million off our cap isn’t a small thing. There is no reason the team shouldn’t play hardball with him at least to test the waters. Your list about the other options is just plain wrong on pretty much every line. Baertschi - Actually very solid defensively, better option than LE at this point. Can and has played anywhere in the top 9. Leivo - quite possibly not in the top 12 on a healthy team, fighting with several other veterans Motte - almost certainly not in the top 12 on a healthier team Goldobin - We get injuries in the top six and he is certainly better than Eriksson by a huge margin in that role Graovac - better option as a veteran 13th forward by far than Eriksson. Has provided more impact and offence in a one game call up than Eriksson has the entire season to date. Schaller - probably not in a healthy top 12. Pearson-Petterson-Boeser Miller-Horvat-Virtanen Roussel-Gaudette-Sutter Ferland-Beagle-Leivo Schaller- Motte Which two guys deserve to be waived in place of Eriksson on that roster? Baertschi, Graovac, MacEwan, Goldobin... which NHL level experienced guy in the minors doesn’t deserve the injury call up and will be more impactful than Eriksson? Add in all the other guys on the farm that could use a look and a short term stint as an injury call up who won’t get a chance because of a floating waste of roster spot player who has exhausted more opportunities than most players get. Just because he won't be playing a game in Utica, doesn't mean he won't be interacting with the other players. I still think with a fully healthy team, Gaudette will go down to the minors (unless they play him on BoHo's wing). Why do you have Goldobin mentioned? He doesn't deserve anything just like Eriksson. He's gonna be just like Boucher. A player who's too good for the AHL, but not good enough for the NHL. I don't think he'll play a game for the Canucks again, barring a ton of injuries. MacEwan need to play, so either it's AHL or NHL when he can get into the lineup. Baertschi has come up and hasn't done alot to stay in the lineup (hence he was scratched for the Nashville game). Graovac hasn't earned anything either. This situation almost seems like a Union seniority job. The more seniority you have, you stay on the club. Do I agree with it? No. Do I care that much about LE who will be in the pressbox? Not really. My Healthy forward lineup Miller - Petterson - Boeser Pearson - Horvat - Ferland Roussel - Sutter - Virtanen Schaller - Beagle - Motte Leivo & LE as extras (because I don't want Gaudette to be in the press box, he needs to play). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Viper007 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 1 hour ago, King Heffy said: If he causes problems in Utica then you suspend him without pay and look into terminating his contract for cause. You can't terminate his contract just because you or I want to. There needs to be just cause. Hopefully when we do send LE to the minors, he refuses to report, then we may be able to terminate the contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 5 hours ago, Provost said: It is startling how different the success of the entire team hinges on all four lines pushing the pace. When we have lost that from our 4th line, suddenly the top two lines start faltering as well... maybe because they are focussed on more. This is a fair point! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper007 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 Actually I take it back, maybe we can "try" to send LE down and maybe he will refuse to report. Then we can terminate his contract. But if he actually does report, it might be best to just bring him back up LoL! Wishful thinking I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 16 minutes ago, Viper007 said: You can't terminate his contract just because you or I want to. There needs to be just cause. Hopefully when we do send LE to the minors, he refuses to report, then we may be able to terminate the contract. And if he causes problems in the room, there's your just cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted November 22, 2019 Author Share Posted November 22, 2019 2 hours ago, coastal.view said: you seem to be quite upset and expending a lot of energy on the final roster spot (it's the 23rd spot, not 13th) it is a depth spot and really never has to be used unless there a multiple injuries on back to back nights of games otherwise there is sufficient time to call up other comet players not sure why the final roster spot warrants so much critique Well literally none of your post is true, which is a pretty hard thing to accomplish. I am not upset, I am discussing a part of our team that can have significant consequences on the ice and with cap space. It is not the 23rd spot... it is the 13th forward spot. Literally everyone (Well apparently except one) knows and talks about it in those terms. It would be dumb to mix forwards and defence when talking about depth. It is pretty rare and only in emergencies that the two distinct pools of players play the other side. We carry either 13-14 forwards depending on whether we are carrying 7-8 D. Those extra bodies are used for last minute illnesses, practice tweaks, and injuries. They get used ALL THE TIME. It is especially important for a team like Vancouver that has their farm team on the other side of the continent and several flight connections away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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