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29 minutes ago, *Buzzsaw* said:

Both you and I know I'm right... but you don't want to admit the team is going nowhere with Green.

 

I am as much a supporter of this team as anyone... I think the talent is extraordinary.... but right now that talent is being squandered.

I agree with you 100%. This team could be amazing with the right coach.

 

  Don't forget @canuck73_3was the guy fervently defending Loui Erickson last year too. He's so good defensively, he's a PK specialist, and on and on. I don't hear him defending him anymore so I'm sure he'll come around on Green too. 

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4 minutes ago, CptCanuck16 said:

I agree with you 100%. This team could be amazing with the right coach.

 

 

Yes, as i said numerous times, green needs to be a assistant coach, and learn off someone who can motivate and get these guys playing more consistent , not sure if he has a job anywere, but crawford can do that

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1 minute ago, 112 said:

How have I never seen this? :lol:

For those of us who lived it, and many, many other bad times, like most of the 80’s, today’s game and team is anything, but bad! 

 

I hear the 70’s were bad, but I was born in 74, so what do I know, really...? 

 

This team is fine. It will be fine. Everyone needs to chill and remember this is still technically a rebuild, not a final product. Enjoy the ride until it is. 

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TG looking like the season’s scapegoat on here. 

LE getting a break from being the forum’s whipping boy. 

Or was it Levino? Pearson? 

 

Its hard to keep up to who the voodoo doll with pins in it is around here.

Its like a game of pin-the-blame-tail-on-the-donkey(player). 

 

 

I could care less about TG coming or going. 

He’s easily replaceable. 

So is his staff. 

 

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18 minutes ago, CptCanuck16 said:

Yeah, I dunno about that. The Nucks got their goal against WSH on a 5 on 3 PP. Against them 5 on 5 they got zilch, zero, nadda. Overall it was a good team effort but I wouldn't call it a convincing win. They still have lots of work to do. 

 

Back in October when they were dominating games for the full 60 minutes I was just as excited as you about where this team was headed, but they've since come back down to earth. I think there are two things this team needs to focus on.

 

1.) Consistency.  Putting in the same effort night in and night out.  This requires experience to figure out so a lot of our young guys aren't there yet. 

 

2.) Adjusting systems. This is a coaching thing. The coaching staff need to learn to recognize what is working and what isn't and make adjustments. Don't just stick to one style of play game after game regardless of the opponent. They should focus on continous improvement of their system and not be afraid of  making adjustments based on who they're playing and what style of game they play.

Get what you're saying. But after that losing skid, which we were all questioning the team, the fact that we won was convincing in itself.

 

I'm looking at it from the perspective of both games against the Caps. Completely dominated them for two periods the first game. We imploded in the third. So, the second game we made good on that mistske and played a complete game and won, albeit a shootout. So you have to give credit for those adjustments where adjustments were made even though we do still have work to do.

 

So, we lose to the Flyers tonight and it's frustrating, sure. But the level of whining and crying because of this loss is looking at things too micro and emotional, imo, and not looking at what we just overcame. I think the adjustments that you're suggesting are happening but we need to allow them to learn ... ala the Preds game followed by the Caps. That learning is occurring. 

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15 minutes ago, CptCanuck16 said:

I agree with you 100%. This team could be amazing with the right coach.

 

  Don't forget @canuck73_3was the guy fervently defending Loui Erickson last year too. He's so good defensively, he's a PK specialist, and on and on. I don't hear him defending him anymore so I'm sure he'll come around on Green too. 

I wasn't “fervently defending” Eriksson, nor did I ever call him a pk specialist, I would point out at least he wasn't totally useless though, like people were calling him last season. Cute story though.
 

He regressed this season, and is barely noticeable at best. 

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Another thing I really dislike about Green:

 

He'll never admit he's wrong.

 

Cases in Point:

 

He said after Camp re. Baertschi:  "We've decided to go in another direction."

 

So he decides he'll never play Baertschi in the top six again.

 

No, even when the team has injuries, he prefers to play Leivo or even MacEwen in the top six...  with Bo.

 

This is despite the fact Bo and Baer have gold plated chemistry and are proven point producers... even though Bo is having a lot of problems producing at even strength.

 

But no, Green won't give Baertschi even a sniff at top six... which is where he shows his best potential.

 

No, he sticks him on the third line... where Baertschi does show he has chemistry with Gaudette... sets him up for a goal and gives his at least four other good opportunities.  Plus he worked on the 2nd unit PP... notice the 2nd unit has shut down in productivity since Baer was removed???

 

But give Baer a chance on a line with Bo?... No... of course, that will never happen... Green will never admit he's wrong.  So he plays Leivo and MacEwen... actually he doesn't play MacEwen after a couple shifts because he clearly does not have a clue.  Not that I don't see potential for Mac... but not in the top six... give him an opportunity on the 4th line replacing Loui.... don't ask him to play a top six role.  But essentially what Green did, putting him on the top six, was a completely waste of a roster position, since he was invisible.

 

And of course, I am not even mentioning Goldobin.  Who is lighting it up in Utica... LEADING THE TEAM IN SCORING... with 8 goals/20 pts in 19 games... maybe you'd think Green would give Goldy a chance with Pettersson...  they had undeniable chemistry last year.... BUT NO... Green won't consider that... he's made up his mind, he's never wrong... no, he'll play Coach's pet Leivo again with Pettersson.

 

Good job Trav... as long as you are always right, its ok.

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13 minutes ago, x00x said:

Yes, as i said numerous times, green needs to be a assistant coach, and learn off someone who can motivate and get these guys playing more consistent , not sure if he has a job anywere, but crawford can do that

Good god, no https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/brent-sopel-marc-crawford-canucks-coach

 

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2 minutes ago, *Buzzsaw* said:

Another thing I really dislike about Green:

 

He'll never admit he's wrong.

 

Cases in Point:

 

He said after Camp re. Baertschi:  "We've decided to go in another direction."

 

So he decides he'll never play Baertschi in the top six again.

 

No, even when the team has injuries, he prefers to play Leivo or even MacEwen in the top six...  with Bo.

 

This is despite the fact Bo and Baer have gold plated chemistry and are proven point producers... even though Bo is having a lot of problems producing at even strength.

 

But no, Green won't give Baertschi even a sniff at top six... which is where he shows his best potential.

 

No, he sticks him on the third line... where Baertschi does show he has chemistry with Gaudette... sets him up for a goal and gives his at least four other good opportunities.  Plus he worked on the 2nd unit PP... notice the 2nd unit has shut down in productivity since Baer was removed???

 

But give Baer a chance on a line with Bo?... No... of course, that will never happen... Green will never admit he's wrong.  So he plays Leivo and MacEwen... actually he doesn't play MacEwen after a couple shifts because he clearly does not have a clue.  Not that I don't see potential for Mac... but not in the top six... give him an opportunity on the 4th line replacing Loui.... don't ask him to play a top six role.  But essentially what Green did, putting him on the top six, was a completely waste of a roster position, since he was invisible.

 

And of course, I am not even mentioning Goldobin.  Who is lighting it up in Utica... LEADING THE TEAM IN SCORING... with 8 goals/20 pts in 19 games... maybe you'd think Green would give Goldy a chance with Pettersson...  they had undeniable chemistry last year.... BUT NO... Green won't consider that... he's made up his mind, he's never wrong... no, he'll play Coach's pet Leivo again with Pettersson.

 

Good job Trav... as long as you are always right, its ok.

Goldobin? Lol. Ok. 
 

You sleep through his stint with Pettersson where he did nothing but squander gift wrapped chances... 

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3 hours ago, canuck73_3 said:

What else should he do? No other lines are scoring 5 on 5 Petey/Boes included. I'm thinking the final 4 forwards he had out was a message that the top 6 aren't getting it done enough 5 on 5.

Wich only means the top 6 will do even less when they don't have the chance... Bad coaching is what I call it. 

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11 minutes ago, milk and honey said:

We got 1good line. I don't want to call them great. 

2nd line is disappointing. Even Bo. Albeit he has been better lately. 

3rd needs Roussel and Sutter 

4th line is Meh. Needs to be harder to play against. 

 

They will once Ferland Sutter Motte and Roussel return to the lineup. 

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