samurai Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 hour ago, stawns said: He said it to a black guy, did you miss that part? Sorry, but when you mean 'black guy' you are talking about Akim Aliu right? He is an actual person and not some caricature. Nice job shooting yourself in the foot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stelar Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Alflives said: Maybe it’s time for the Flame’s owner to clean out his mess and get a new GM and coach? Wow, we agree on something 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, RowdyCanuck said: Going another dumb question did peters stop after confronted? Aliu only mentions the one incident. I would be curious what the discussion was like between the team captain and Peters, whether Peters sounded contrite etc. He is clearly an abusive man who has harmed a whole bunch of kids, as much as his actions should be repudiated, I do personally hope he can find help for his issues. We have a problem with the culture itself that needs to be addressed and this Peters situation certainly isn't isolated. Its cyclical, where the abusers have also been abused when they were young. I really do hope that more people speak about such incidents in their life. Men are taught wrongly to ignore and bottle up these issues or be perceived as "weak". This isn't a hockey culture thing either, its the way we as men define masculinity. Men are more prone to addiction, more likely to commit suicide etc all because we are taught not to process our emotions. Edited November 27, 2019 by Toews 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, RowdyCanuck said: I agree but there could be some serious horror stories come out... times have changed a lot so what was acceptable in the 90s may not be acceptable now but the person didn't know any better at the time does that make him or her a bad person? The very first day I got to the W, I had a teammate tell me "if possible don't ever, ever go into the GM's office on your own" and we almost always went in with a teammate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 minute ago, RowdyCanuck said: I agree but there could be some serious horror stories come out... times have changed a lot so what was acceptable in the 90s may not be acceptable now but the person didn't know any better at the time does that make him or her a bad person? In the 90s, you would (or should) still know what is acceptable behavior or not. Is he a bad person? I'm not qualified to answer that. I'm pretty sure I've done stupid things in the past but then again I've never been in a position of power and exert that power over a youth/young adult. Is he remorseful and apologetic of his actions? If so, then perhaps he is deserving of forgiveness. But it's not my forgiveness that he should be asking for. It would be to the players that he hurt with his actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post spur1 Posted November 27, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 hour ago, nuckin_futz said: isosceles ? Obtuse 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Just now, Stelar said: Wow, we agree on something Absolutely on this one. This Peters guy was surely saying a lot more than just this one vile comment to his players. Heck, he was kicking players and fighting with them in Carolina. If I’m the Flames owner I’d axe both the coach and the GM. I’d beg Iggy to come be the team President. And promote a coach from within to carry the team for the rest of the season. Iggy could find a GM over the next little while. I’m sure they have an assistant GM who could steer the ship for a couple months. I think a strong message needs to be sent here. The Calgary Flames (and the NHL) do not put up with this type of behaviour. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toyotasfan Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 It’s a shame Peters won’t get a chance to get fired just for making the Flames lose hockey games . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, Toews said: Aliu only mentions the one incident. I would be curious what the discussion was like between the team captain and Peters, whether Peters sounded contrite etc. He is clearly an abusive man who has harmed a whole bunch of kids, as much as his actions should be repudiated, I do personally hope he can find help for his issues. We have a problem with the culture itself that needs to be addressed and this Peters situation certainly isn't isolated. Its cyclical, where the abusers have also been abused when they were young. I really do hope that more people speak about such incidents in their life. Men are taught wrongly to ignore and bottle up these issues or be perceived as "weak". This isn't a hockey culture thing either, its the way we as men define masculinity. Men are more prone to addiction, more likely to commit suicide etc all because we are taught not to process our emotions. This is brilliant, and deserves more than a simple thumbs up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyCanuck Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 minute ago, BPA said: In the 90s, you would (or should) still know what is acceptable behavior or not. Is he a bad person? I'm not qualified to answer that. I'm pretty sure I've done stupid things in the past but then again I've never been in a position of power and exert that power over a youth/young adult. Is he remorseful and apologetic of his actions? If so, then perhaps he is deserving of forgiveness. But it's not my forgiveness that he should be asking for. It would be to the players that he hurt with his actions. What I meant by acceptable is there was terms and slang used back then that wouldn't fly today..... you bring up apologetic, that's why I asked in another post if he stopped after being confronted.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, RowdyCanuck said: What I meant by acceptable is there was terms and slang used back then that wouldn't fly today..... you bring up apologetic, that's why I asked in another post if he stopped after being confronted.... Even in the 90s, you would know the n* word should not be used. I grew up knowing that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 10 minutes ago, spur1 said: Obtuse Right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 minute ago, BPA said: Even in the 90s, you would know the n* word should not be used. I grew up knowing that. That word felt wrong even in the 50’s. It’s a word we just didn’t use. I don’t think even CBS had Archie Bunker ever say that word, did they? The feel to that word to me is vile. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spur1 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Seems to me this in a way goes back to ownership. Why do I say that? Even before BT the Flames have a history of hiring hard nosed coaches and quickly firing those that were not. The last good guy I remember was Badger Bob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, spur1 said: Seems to me this in a way goes back to ownership. Why do I say that? Even before BT the Flames have a history of hiring hard nosed coaches and quickly firing those that were not. The last good guy I remember was Badger Bob. Would be interesting to see Burke's take given the fact he brought in BT. Edited November 27, 2019 by King Heffy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyCanuck Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 minute ago, BPA said: Even in the 90s, you would know the n* word should not be used. I grew up knowing that. Yes but the N word isn't the only word that shouldn't be used....I can think of acouple more. I was also taught don't let your mouth write checks your a$$ couldnt cash.....so if you use the N word better be able to stand behind it. even today what about the Cowboys that hear broke back mountain jokes at work everyday? Or hillbilly or white trash.....Don't have to use the N word or swears to cut someone. So your saying you never heard slang from your parents or grand parents that wouldn't fly today? heck what about all the crap simmonds and e Kane and rest of the guys that went threw this but used it to grow and used as fuel......I agree the old school coaching won't last cause the new kids coming into the NHL is different , so the coaches everyone wants gone will be gone soon enough, just takes time just like the fourth line grinds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samurai Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, BPA said: Even in the 90s, you would know the n* word should not be used. I grew up knowing that. depends where you grew up. If you came from a place where that group wasn't represented nor had any history in the region than you wouldn't expect people to use it or really know what it meant outside of the literal meaning. Lots of kids grow up listening to hip and not knowing the connotations of the n word. Edited November 27, 2019 by samurai 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, RowdyCanuck said: Yes but the N word isn't the only word that shouldn't be used....I can think of acouple more. I was also taught don't let your mouth write checks your a$$ couldnt cash.....so if you use the N word better be able to stand behind it. even today what about the Cowboys that hear broke back mountain jokes at work everyday? Or hillbilly or white trash.....Don't have to use the N word or swears to cut someone. So your saying you never heard slang from your parents or grand parents that wouldn't fly today? heck what about all the crap simmonds and e Kane and rest of the guys that went threw this but used it to grow and used as fuel......I agree the old school coaching won't last cause the new kids coming into the NHL is different , so the coaches everyone wants gone will be gone soon enough, just takes time just like the fourth line grinds. This reads like a rap song. It’s cool. I don’t really comprehend it all, but I like it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyCanuck Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, Alflives said: This reads like a rap song. It’s cool. I don’t really comprehend it all, but I like it. Ha thx alf. I do have to say I've never wrote the N word so much in my life though ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 23 minutes ago, Alflives said: That word felt wrong even in the 50’s. It’s a word we just didn’t use. I don’t think even CBS had Archie Bunker ever say that word, did they? The feel to that word to me is vile. I as well. I swear a lot and I am in no way politically correct. I joke around a lot and some of my kidding around would be frowned upon. But, I don't use the N word. It's like hitting a female. You just don't go there. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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