kingofsurrey Posted December 5, 2019 Author Share Posted December 5, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Standing_Tall#37 said: So you’re saying you’d prefer to have blood oil from the Middle East? Canada oil is blood oil as well..... as tar sands produces 3 times as much pollution as compared to conventional oil. Global warming is threatening milliions of humans by creating environmental refugees.... many of these people will die. So Canadian tar sands oil is also blood oil . Edited December 5, 2019 by kingofsurrey 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standing_Tall#37 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: Canada oil is blood oil as well..... as tar sands produces 3 times as much pollution as compared to conventional oil. Global warming is threatening milliions of humans by creating environmental refugees.... many of these people will die. So Canadian tar sands oil is also blood oil . Lol I don’t see how that leap of theories comes together....but okay........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted December 5, 2019 Author Share Posted December 5, 2019 Just now, Standing_Tall#37 said: Lol I don’t see how that leap of theories comes together....but okay........ You don't see Tar Sands production impacting global warming / climate change. Wow , really. You need to do more research on the topic. But OKAy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 19 minutes ago, Standing_Tall#37 said: Halliburton encana Houston Oil & Gas junior oil and gas huge reduction of Husky Those are the major players that have left in the last 6 weeks. As for your 2013 comment, I can’t find much about that but I see that in 2017 there was also a mass exodus from the tarsands. Those are the companies that are leaving. What about the people and technology as well? They have been moving to Houston since 2016. Portable skills and no jobs does that. Leduc was a real incubator for cutting edge oil tech. But they also did some neat work on water handling and purification. Their work is being used around the world. I highly doubt we will see those people back. So the research is drying up and future jobs will be lost. How will the budgets survive for the U of A, U of C and the colleges. Instead of dwelling on all the rich Albertans people on here could give some thought for the workers who have not worked in 3 -4 years. Not a pretty scene in much of AB. Crime exists where it never has been before. My daughter works in a dentist office and she says the patients that don't come anymore continues to grow. The ones that do are only getting essential stuff done. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 21 hours ago, kingofsurrey said: Equalization transfer are based on positive income. Alberta had plenty of money left to invest in their legacy fund. Alberta and Albertans chose to blow their oil revenue like drunken sailors arriving at a new port. Very poor fiscal management by Alberta Conservative Politicians. I can not understand how Albertans simply do not hold their previous governments responsible.... instead of trying to shift the blame to others not involved in their provincial investment / spending decisions.... I guess if a child leaves their christmas present out in the rain over the weekend... they would similarly try to shift the blame to their parents... Thats what children do. Why the hell would you put in a sales tax if it just resulted in more positive income that would be taken away by equalization? That's the problem with equilization. It's a disincentive to balance budgets or reign in spending. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standing_Tall#37 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 8 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: You don't see Tar Sands production impacting global warming / climate change. Wow , really. You need to do more research on the topic. But OKAy. For part of my research I must know if you heat your home, drive a vehicle or use electricity that’s supplied by B.C. Hydro. Can you answer these? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 1 minute ago, ronthecivil said: Why the hell would you put in a sales tax if it just resulted in more positive income that would be taken away by equalization? That's the problem with equilization. It's a disincentive to balance budgets or reign in spending. Hmmm... Equalization brought in 1972. Years Quebec has collected equalization, 47 straight years. Does this sound right? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 17 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: Canada oil is blood oil as well..... as tar sands produces 3 times as much pollution as compared to conventional oil. Global warming is threatening milliions of humans by creating environmental refugees.... many of these people will die. So Canadian tar sands oil is also blood oil . I sure hope you don't use it for anything (you must cycle or walk or skytrain everywhere) and make sure you are all electric for everything else right? If not blood is on your hands too! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted December 5, 2019 Author Share Posted December 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, Standing_Tall#37 said: For part of my research I must know if you heat your home, drive a vehicle or use electricity that’s supplied by B.C. Hydro. Can you answer these? I also breath air and drink water....... so what is your point. We all need to lower our carbon footprints the best we can and use the least damaging energy that is available . - hint for you. Tar sands sludge is the most harmful ( climate change ) oil on our planet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted December 5, 2019 Author Share Posted December 5, 2019 8 minutes ago, Boudrias said: Hmmm... Equalization brought in 1972. Years Quebec has collected equalization, 47 straight years. Does this sound right? Yah, Quebec is so lucky to be a province with less natural resources than Alberta..... Wow, are you serious ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 1 minute ago, kingofsurrey said: Yah, Quebec is so lucky to be a province with less natural resources than Alberta..... Wow, are you serious ? No resources but $9 a day daycare. Nice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted December 5, 2019 Author Share Posted December 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, Boudrias said: No resources but $9 a day daycare. Nice. Yes it is. Subsidized daycare saves society money as those kids will do better at school and go on more successful / healthy lives... which in term will save money with less gov. services needed. Subsidized daycare is a smart investment. In many ways Quebec is way ahead of the rest of canada.... Quebec is such a wonderful province. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standing_Tall#37 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 12 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: I also breath air and drink water....... so what is your point. We all need to lower our carbon footprints the best we can and use the least damaging energy that is available . - hint for you. Tar sands sludge is the most harmful ( climate change ) oil on our planet So why aren’t you doing what you can to help on a personal level? If it bothers you so much, turn your heat off, sell your vehicle. Throw your phone out... shut the lights off, hydro dams aren’t exactly the best thing for the environment either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted December 5, 2019 Author Share Posted December 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Standing_Tall#37 said: So why aren’t you doing what you can to help on a personal level? If it bothers you so much, turn your heat off, sell your vehicle. Throw your phone out... shut the lights off, hydro dams aren’t exactly the best thing for the environment either. How do you know what changes i have made in my life to lower my energy use ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standing_Tall#37 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 47 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: How do you know what changes i have made in my life to lower my energy use ? Because of my research. You said you heat your home and you drive a vehicle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 1 hour ago, ronthecivil said: I sure hope you don't use it for anything (you must cycle or walk or skytrain everywhere) and make sure you are all electric for everything else right? If not blood is on your hands too! Such a tired dumb argument, do better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 2 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said: true? that varies a lot. Its harder maintaining a base in the middle. Imo the liberal party under JT has moved to far to the left leaving true centre voters wondering who to vote for. Honestly had Chretien not thrown Martin under the bus we may never have had a conservative government up until even now. All the infighting and the egos in my opinion is what put Harper in power. Many many conservatives we're very happy with a Martin lead government and under Chretien the energy sector was left alone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 1 minute ago, inane said: Such a tired dumb argument, do better. Nope he's pointing out how hypocritical you are and he isn't wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 2 hours ago, higgyfan said: They were voting for the party, not the leader. Muck like a lot of conservative supporters were doing You know what really sucks for the majority of my voting life this is always been the case provincially and federally pretty sad actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: Nope he's pointing out how hypocritical you are and he isn't wrong. No, it's intellectually lazy and cynical. Some readings I doubt you or anyone will read. https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/2019/5/28/18629833/climate-change-2019-green-new-deal Quote While we’re busy testing each other’s purity, we let the government and industries — the authors of said devastation — off the hook completely. This overemphasis on individual action shames people for their everyday activities, things they can barely avoid doing because of the fossil fuel-dependent system they were born into. In fact, fossil fuels supply more than 75 percent of the US energy system. If we want to function in society, we have no choice but to participate in that system. To blame us for that is to shame us for our very existence. https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/apr/05/environmentally-friendly-green-living-ideas Quote You can either accept the status quo, or you can work towards something better. Doing so often looks less like an off-grid hut in the woods and more like finding a way to exist in an uncomfortably unsustainable society while also trying to change it. I think George Monbiot summed it up best: “Hypocrisy is the gap between your aspirations and your actions. Greens have high aspirations – they want to live more ethically – and they will always fall short. But the alternative to hypocrisy isn’t moral purity (no one manages that), but cynicism. Give me hypocrisy any day.” http://raylong.co/blog/2015/1/5/should-environmentalists-stop-using-fossil-fuels Quote We have to guard against living in a world of absolutes, and recognize that the ability to see multiple perspectives isn't being hypocritical, it's exercising a strong maturity of thought. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/climate-change-hypocrisy-brooks-decillia-1.5349113 Edited December 5, 2019 by inane 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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