Standing_Tall#37 Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 1 minute ago, kingofsurrey said: Get a level 2 charger. Problem solved. Or if you are that worried get a hybrid. I’ve got a diesel 1-ton dually. But then again I support Canadian gas and oil and fellow blue collar Canadians. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 21 minutes ago, Standing_Tall#37 said: https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/drive/culture/article-the-trouble-with-electric-vehicles-winter/ And we all know the west coast is the only place that doesn’t experience a Canadian winter. hey i can google too https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/electric-vehicle-yukon-winter-1.4975075 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standing_Tall#37 Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 21 minutes ago, inane said: hey i can google too https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/electric-vehicle-yukon-winter-1.4975075 I’m glad, that’s probably the height of your capabilities. Although that’s a hybrid and not a pure electric vehicle, apples to oranges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 5 minutes ago, Standing_Tall#37 said: I’m glad, that’s probably the height of your capabilities. Although that’s a hybrid and not a pure electric vehicle, apples to oranges. Yeah you're right, most canadians live in such polar conditions for 6 months of the year that they can't possibly use electric vehicles because those things you said are definitely true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standing_Tall#37 Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, inane said: Yeah you're right, most canadians live in such polar conditions for 6 months of the year that they can't possibly use electric vehicles because those things you said are definitely true. No need to get angry. Just because your city doesn’t see sub zero temperatures for 6 months and -20 to -30 for 3-4 of those months doesn’t mean that places like Prince George, Dawson creek, Regina, Edmonton, Calgary, Winnipeg, Yellowknife, Toronto, Thunder Bay, Montreal, etc etc don’t. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 6 minutes ago, Standing_Tall#37 said: No need to get angry. Just because your city doesn’t see sub zero temperatures for 6 months and -20 to -30 for 3-4 of those months doesn’t mean that places like Prince George, Dawson creek, Regina, Edmonton, Calgary, Winnipeg, Yellowknife, Toronto, Thunder Bay, Montreal, etc etc don’t. Who is angry? I'm just laughing at your black and white world. Good friend lives in Calgary and drives a tesla every day. Imagine that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 So it is hypocrisy to heat a house, but try to reduce carbon., does that mean because every one dies they are hypocrites for not killing themselves? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 On 12/4/2019 at 2:34 PM, Nuxfanabroad said: Is smart $ an oxymoron, when globally, there's(supposedly..it's likely understated) 220,000,000,000,000 in Dumb Debt?! I’m not sure but I enjoyed reading the part: ”gains in reducing” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 17 minutes ago, gurn said: So it is hypocrisy to heat a house, but try to reduce carbon., does that mean because every one dies they are hypocrites for not killing themselves? Yes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 18 hours ago, Shift-4 said: with enough pressure Lol reminds me Ferris bueller talking about Cameron in the pool scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Standing_Tall#37 said: I’ve got a diesel 1-ton dually. But then again I support Canadian gas and oil and fellow blue collar Canadians. I had my roof redone this summer and use plastic bags. Therefore I also support oil and gas and blue collar workers? Only the most extreme idiots think that stopping any and all use of oil and gas exploration is possible. Much like only the most extreme idiots think that it is the only way to go for the near future. A slow divesting and moving away is smart and proper. Which of course means the growth of and investment in to renewable sources of which there are many options. As for "but batteries/turbines/solar is bad too" well duh. But if you think oil and gas is bad now, look back even 40 years ago. FAR FAR worse. Things get better by investing in them and making them better. No need to dig in our heels, we needed to start this growth a decade ago but.... Edited December 6, 2019 by Warhippy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Standing_Tall#37 said: The majority of Canadians live in places where electric cars are of no use for 6 months of the year. As for the rest of what I said, I was making the implication that you’re nothing more than a hypocrite. You can’t criticize the oil and gas industry when you use many of the products that come from there and expect to be taken seriously. If this is your line of thinking, I suppose you only drink and bathe with polluted water, eat food grown/living from polluted soil, never ride a bike or walk anywhere etc, etc? Betterment is never an all or nothing exercise. It's an exceedingly poor argument. Do better. Edited December 6, 2019 by aGENT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standing_Tall#37 Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 5 hours ago, aGENT said: If this is your line of thinking, I suppose you only drink and bathe with polluted water, eat food grown/living from polluted soil, never ride a bike or walk anywhere etc, etc? Betterment is never an all or nothing exercise. It's an exceedingly poor argument. Do better. No, but I could care less about the environment. It’ll survive long after humans do so I’m not worried about it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standing_Tall#37 Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 5 hours ago, Warhippy said: I had my roof redone this summer and use plastic bags. Therefore I also support oil and gas and blue collar workers? Only the most extreme idiots think that stopping any and all use of oil and gas exploration is possible. Much like only the most extreme idiots think that it is the only way to go for the near future. A slow divesting and moving away is smart and proper. Which of course means the growth of and investment in to renewable sources of which there are many options. As for "but batteries/turbines/solar is bad too" well duh. But if you think oil and gas is bad now, look back even 40 years ago. FAR FAR worse. Things get better by investing in them and making them better. No need to dig in our heels, we needed to start this growth a decade ago but.... I think the other thing people miss or are unaware of is how much industry uses up rss of all kinds, also the army. I don’t see the armies of the world abandoning oil and gas anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, Standing_Tall#37 said: No, but I could care less about the environment. It’ll survive long after humans do so I’m not worried about it. The humans surviving would be the issue. Again, this is pretty poor logic. Of course the planet will be fine. It might take a few millennia but it's survived far worse than human caused pollution. Do you however have some twisted desire to see humanity's time on the planet cut short at our own doing? Do you wish to see massive climate/weather/drought issues and polluted water and soil choke the ability for current life on this planet to survive? Oceans polluted with plastic and acidified? Oxygen depletion? Mass extinction and starvation (of not just us but most currently existing life)? If so, seek help as that's a sociopathic attitude. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, aGENT said: humans surviving would be the issue. Maybe he's a Tardigrade? No worries. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standing_Tall#37 Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 1 hour ago, aGENT said: The humans surviving would be the issue. Again, this is pretty poor logic. Of course the planet will be fine. It might take a few millennia but it's survived far worse than human caused pollution. Do you however have some twisted desire to see humanity's time on the planet cut short at our own doing? Do you wish to see massive climate/weather/drought issues and polluted water and soil choke the ability for current life on this planet to survive? Oceans polluted with plastic and acidified? Oxygen depletion? Mass extinction and starvation (of not just us but most currently existing life)? If so, seek help as that's a sociopathic attitude. In the words of Jacob Rothschild; “There’s over 7.3 billion people on this earth & less than the .3 billion deserve to live” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 23 minutes ago, Standing_Tall#37 said: In the words of Jacob Rothschild; “There’s over 7.3 billion people on this earth & less than the .3 billion deserve to live” So doubling down on sociopath. Good luck to you sir but don't be shocked the rest of us don't share your $&!# where you eat and &^@# everyone else but me, view. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted December 7, 2019 Author Share Posted December 7, 2019 Climate change: Oceans running out of oxygen as temperatures rise By Matt McGrathEnvironment correspondent, Madrid 8 hours ago https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-50690995 Share this with Facebook Share this with Messenger Share this with Twitter Share this with Email Climate change and nutrient pollution are driving the oxygen from our oceans, and threatening many species of fish. That's the conclusion of the biggest study of its kind, undertaken by conservation group IUCN. While nutrient run-off has been known for decades, researchers say that climate change is making the lack of oxygen worse. Around 700 ocean sites are now suffering from low oxygen, compared with 45 in the 1960s. Researchers say the depletion is threatening species including tuna, marlin and sharks. Concerns over ocean heating report Last decade 'on course' to be warmest Birds 'shrinking' as the climate warms The threat to oceans from nutrient run-off of chemicals such as nitrogen and phosphorus from farms and industry has long been known to impact the levels of oxygen in the sea waters and still remains the primary factor, especially closer to coasts. However, in recent years the threat from climate change has increased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 19 hours ago, Standing_Tall#37 said: I think the other thing people miss or are unaware of is how much industry uses up rss of all kinds, also the army. I don’t see the armies of the world abandoning oil and gas anytime soon. Oh man it's absolutely going to be using gas and petroleum products for the next 100 years. That doesn't mean we cannot start changing now. If we create a market for renewable energy products in excess of petroleum energy based products than of course the markets/corps will follow. We just have to create the demand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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