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[Waivers] Madison Bowey

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8 minutes ago, zombieksa said:

No way he makes it down.

I don't agree. Guy is a dud in the NHL based on what he was supposed to be capable of.

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1 minute ago, RonMexico said:

I don't agree. Guy is a dud in the NHL based on what he was supposed to be capable of.

You may be right about that, I still think a team with injuries or need for a bottom pairing D man picks him up.

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10 minutes ago, zombieksa said:

No way he makes it down.

He has been terrible this year and was on Detroit. I think good chance he clears. Has one of those names people think is a good player but isn't aka etem, sbisa, Hodgson last bit of his career, hutton ect... 

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16 minutes ago, zombieksa said:

You may be right about that, I still think a team with injuries or need for a bottom pairing D man picks him up.

I'd be surprised if he wasn't picked up, sure he's a tweener but you can never tell about fit with the right d partner. Just look at Guddy's career, when he's paired with a Campbell or Edler you got a lot out of him. 

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5 minutes ago, Monty said:

To be fair, Detroit has been downright awful this year. That's not all on Bowey. At all. They're last in goal differential, at -56!!!!!!! The next worst is New Jersey at -32. That's bad, but the Wings are on a whole new level of terrible. They are at a whopping 3.65 goals against per game. Save percentage is also the lowest at .877.

 

Bowey certainly isn't great, though. I'm sure the first place they would have called to get any asset in return would have been Winnipeg, as he grew up there and the town loves him. But not enough to even unload a nothing asset in return. Does he clear? I don't know. That entire squad is a joke.

He's still young (for a D man) so maybe on a good team he could be okay in a bottom pair?

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13 minutes ago, Alflives said:

He's still young (for a D man) so maybe on a good team he could be okay in a bottom pair?

He's playing 18minutes+ a night and shooting a 3.7%. He might come in handy for a team at a reduced role.

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I honestly don't know why you wouldn't put in a claim.  Young guy with all the tools,  completely in the mold of a new age D.  He is a great skater and puck mover and has good size.  Only makes a million so no cap implication if he doesn't pan out.  Having a bad year on a team that is just entirely falling apart, playing more than 17 minutes a night.  A better team with more structure and reduced expectations on him and things could turn around.

All it would cost us is waiving a spare part forward (I am looking at your Eriksson) or sending Chatfield down.  Zero risk, and lots of possible upside. 

We happen to have three old D in their 30's (Well Tanev is there in a week), and almost no D prospects in the system (Juolevi and Woo are real question marks, Tryamkin is not part of the organization and may never be).  If you can build up Bowey as a 3rd pairing guy who can move up the lineup in case of injury and that is a really good thing for us.

I doubt he would fall to us, as lots of teams need cheap depth D.  Who knows if there are other red flags we don't know about, but I haven't heard or read anything.

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Bowie would probably work pretty well in a 3rd pairing complementing Benn when Tanev gets hurt.
 

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10 minutes ago, Provost said:

Who knows if there are other red flags we don't know about, but I haven't heard or read anything.

From reading hfboards, Wings fans say he’s been pretty bad. Didn’t see specifically how though. 

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1 minute ago, Sean Monahan said:

From reading hfboards, Wings fans say he’s been pretty bad. Didn’t see specifically how though. 

He is young enough and this year is such a tire fire for their entire team, it could easily be something completely situational.  

They are using him as a top 4 and maybe he can't do that on a bad team that needs to get bailed out a lot by their D... or at least right now. 

Also, he could just be terrible... but considering the zero risk of picking him up, it is only possible upside.  Worst case scenario we have to waive him eventually and no one else picks him up so he used a contract spot for the rest of the season.  We have a few contract spots still so it shouldn't be much of an issue.

 

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16 minutes ago, Provost said:

I honestly don't know why you wouldn't put in a claim.  Young guy with all the tools,  completely in the mold of a new age D.  He is a great skater and puck mover and has good size.  Only makes a million so no cap implication if he doesn't pan out.  Having a bad year on a team that is just entirely falling apart, playing more than 17 minutes a night.  A better team with more structure and reduced expectations on him and things could turn around.

All it would cost us is waiving a spare part forward (I am looking at your Eriksson) or sending Chatfield down.  Zero risk, and lots of possible upside. 

We happen to have three old D in their 30's (Well Tanev is there in a week), and almost no D prospects in the system (Juolevi and Woo are real question marks, Tryamkin is not part of the organization and may never be).  If you can build up Bowey as a 3rd pairing guy who can move up the lineup in case of injury and that is a really good thing for us.

I doubt he would fall to us, as lots of teams need cheap depth D.  Who knows if there are other red flags we don't know about, but I haven't heard or read anything.

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Bowie would probably work pretty well in a 3rd pairing complementing Benn when Tanev gets hurt.
 

This is probably the mentality that everyone has.

 

"Oh, he's on waivers. Claim!"

 

There's no context except the name. As people have already pointed out, he didn't play for Washington much because of their stacked defence. Washington didn't even have to rush him because of it. Now he had been given a FULL opportunity in Detroit, and he's not ready for the NHL. Not saying he's a bust but he seems like he's a Pouliot.

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Player gets waived by a team that looks like it may be historically bad

 

CDC: Jump on him immediately JB!!

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My take on Bowey as I wanted this kid in his draft after watching him for like 3.5 seasons in Kelowna.

 

he can skate well.

He can hit a dude like no other

He was effectively Bieksa lite when he was drafted minus that ugly snarl

 

Would I take a flyer on him?

 

Absolutely yes.  Why?  because at days end this guy was and still is a leader even if he might never be a pure NHL calibre defensemen, he is still a quality character and if the end result is he's a body in the line up or a stalwart in Utica he's worth it.  It has nothing to do with his playing abilities or lack therein, and everything to do with the quality of person he is/was in Kelowna.  I sincerely doubt the person he was growing up to be and the qualities he showed off the ice in the Okanagan as a human being somehow vanished after he was drafted.

 

So to sum up.  NHL player?  Maybe not yet or ever.  Utica worthy?  Absolutely.  Why?  Because decent human beings and quality character is getting harder to find and he's not entirely a total bum as his 8 points in 22 games puts him as the 3rd or 4th highest scoring D man on the team

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18 minutes ago, Provost said:

I honestly don't know why you wouldn't put in a claim.  Young guy with all the tools,  completely in the mold of a new age D.  He is a great skater and puck mover and has good size.  Only makes a million so no cap implication if he doesn't pan out.  Having a bad year on a team that is just entirely falling apart, playing more than 17 minutes a night.  A better team with more structure and reduced expectations on him and things could turn around.

All it would cost us is waiving a spare part forward (I am looking at your Eriksson) or sending Chatfield down.  Zero risk, and lots of possible upside. 

We happen to have three old D in their 30's (Well Tanev is there in a week), and almost no D prospects in the system (Juolevi and Woo are real question marks, Tryamkin is not part of the organization and may never be).  If you can build up Bowey as a 3rd pairing guy who can move up the lineup in case of injury and that is a really good thing for us.

I doubt he would fall to us, as lots of teams need cheap depth D.  Who knows if there are other red flags we don't know about, but I haven't heard or read anything.

Edler-Myers
Hughes-Tanev
Benn-Stecher
Fantenberg-Bowie

Bowie would probably work pretty well in a 3rd pairing complementing Benn when Tanev gets hurt.
 

I imagine if he is all those things that you suggest that a team would've made an offer with a spare part going back the other way. I doubt Yzerman threw him on waivers without letting the league know he would be available. Plus he was with the Capitals who could always use cheap young solid depth considering their cap situation, but felt they could let him go (for a player who's in a similar situation but older and gave up a pick to boot). He's had more of an opportunity to prove himself in Detroit with more ice time and hasn't taken it in stride and while it could be attributed to Detroit simply being bad, he is the player they chose to waive.

 

Tryamkin may return, but if he were to do so, then we simply could just waive Bowey again ourselves. We have players in our system that could get a look if injuries to happen that also provide the zero risk and possible upside. Chatfield being one of them and Rafferty looked good in preseason, plus is showing decently well in Utica. Juolevi and Woo are only question marks because they're prospects, but that goes for any prospects. I'd also throw in Rathbone as a prospect who I think many will sleep on.

 

There's not a whole lot negative in claiming him, but there's not a whole lot positive in claiming him either IMO. So it's doesn't matter to me either way, but I feel we should give our internal guys a shot at that same opportunity simply because I don't see Bowey really having that much more upside than what we have in our system already and I'd be very surprised if he's in any sort of long term plan for us.

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