Popular Post aGENT Posted January 1, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 1, 2020 For the near 50% of the board who are a bunch of panicky Pollyanna's... 2 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post spook007 Posted January 1, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 1, 2020 27 minutes ago, aGENT said: For the near 50% of the board who are a bunch of panicky Pollyanna's... The silence from that 50% is deafening.... 1 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 3 hours ago, aGENT said: For the near 50% of the board who are a bunch of panicky Pollyanna's... Hilarious 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 3 hours ago, aGENT said: For the near 50% of the board who are a bunch of panicky Pollyanna's... Yeah, those 50% will just pass it off because the pacific is the "worst division in the NHL". If the Canucks went 16-0 in the playoffs I'm sure some would still find fault. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItTakesAnArmy Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 (edited) JANUARY, a start of a reason for a slide. Injuries. The Canucks have been blessed with the easiest schedule up to date, most days between game, most times playing a team in their second of a back to back, most back up goalies. Now come the start of a hard schedule Over the next 16 days the Canucks will play 9 games, a back to back and a five game road trip. With all those games condensed as they are the schedule maker still managed to fit in two days between games, a rest period. The Nux have been playing at 100% since the season started, so of the better teams have been coasting a bit and will now start putting the pedal down. Markstrom or Demko may have to be traded or lose one of them to expansion and then there is the cap and that this team is in a big cap crunch, mostly because contracts and poor stats, no other teams want to take on any vets the team may want to move without a draft pick sweetener. Benning has already demonstrated he will over pay in trades. No matter how good Miller is fitting in now, he is a now player, not a foundation piece in 3 to 4 years, but he does have no clauses so he can be moved, remember Kesler's slide after 30 the decline, that is 3 years from now. FEBRUARY Injuries. Starts with game 2 of another 5 game road trip, the players should be more rested after the long all-star break, most anyway. Towards the TDL the schedule maker again gifted the Canucks with a huge break, they will pay for it in March though, 3 games in 10 days all at home and no back to backs. A well rested team will look very good vs the tired teams they have to play over that period, so they will be close at the TDL. The team could look much different after the February 23, the TDL. I expect a disaster, with FA's contracts ending and desperation to make the playoffs, the future is at stake, the next 5 years all in this month if there are bad decisions MARCH Injuries. Beware the ides of March, 16 games in 30 days, the heaviest month of their schedule, November was not so good and it only had 15 games and almost no injuries to players that had made significant contributions to the team. Starting on the road in the second of a back to back, one of 4 in this month with three on the road. There might easy games towards the end when teams decide to maneuver for improved odds and draft positions, the smart teams almost always do this, see Chicago and Tampa. Team's that have desperate GM's that have sold the farm to make the show get to show "improvement" to sell hope for the next year. Edmonton has a steady GM, Calgary may have traded for a goalie, the Knights will have played the Canucks another 2 times, Arizona has shown they are all in for a playoff spot and have oodles of assets, picks and prospects, they may get cap space at the TDL or through an LTIR, who knows where LA and SJ go, LA is a surprise, SJ is better than their record. And Anaheim with their 250+ man games lost and still in the hunt. This is such a deep draft there will be a repetition of the McD draft, the last year of guaranteed spots, but teams now see the odds change like a gambler, what difference between finishing 22nd and 28th or 29th, there will only be a few points between under the new system, it will be obvious that the team is "looking to see what is in the system" and give encouragement to their fans that they might get a superstud with better odds, it is good for the franchise and future to sacrifice one month to gain a possible 10 year player. Edited January 2, 2020 by ItTakesAnArmy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 (edited) On 12/20/2019 at 7:25 PM, snucks said: Another thing the team needs is some tough guys to protect them. What happened to Ferland ? I don't think this team will remain well enough to reach the playoffs; they are just not big and tough enough. Maybe five years ago. Given the size of Myers neck we are actually one of the tallest teams in the league - despite Hughes and Stetcher. We are no longer push overs - even without Ferland we still have more toughness then at least half the teams in the league. JB UFA signings and trades the past two years added nine big and or gritty or a bit of both - bigger bodies. Not sure what team your watching but we've morphed into the bully side of the equation- such is the state of the league right now. out Bear, Goldobin, Del Zotto, Hutton, Gudbranson, Carconne AHLErs etc In Beagle, Roussell, Ferland, Miller, Myers, Benn, FatBurgers, Pearson, Leivo. Guddy was big of course - the rest not so much Edited January 2, 2020 by IBatch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 On 1/1/2020 at 10:09 AM, spook007 said: The silence from that 50% is deafening.... Just wait until the next loss. Enjoy that silence for the time being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, IBatch said: Maybe five years ago. Given the size of Myers neck we are actually one of the tallest teams in the league - despite Hughes and Stetcher. We are no longer push overs - even without Ferland we still have more toughness then at least half the teams in the league. JB UFA signings and trades the past two years added seven big and or and a bit of both - bigger bodies. Not sure what team your watching but we've morphed into the bully side of the equation- such is the state of the league right now. And to think there's potential to swap out Stecher (or Tanev) with Tryamkin. And possibly a 6'2 Rafferty waiting in the wings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 4 hours ago, ItTakesAnArmy said: JANUARY, a start of a reason for a slide. Injuries. The Canucks have been blessed with the easiest schedule up to date, most days between game, most times playing a team in their second of a back to back, most back up goalies. Now come the start of a hard schedule Over the next 16 days the Canucks will play 9 games, a back to back and a five game road trip. With all those games condensed as they are the schedule maker still managed to fit in two days between games, a rest period. The Nux have been playing at 100% since the season started, so of the better teams have been coasting a bit and will now start putting the pedal down. Markstrom or Demko may have to be traded or lose one of them to expansion and then there is the cap and that this team is in a big cap crunch, mostly because contracts and poor stats, no other teams want to take on any vets the team may want to move without a draft pick sweetener. Benning has already demonstrated he will over pay in trades. No matter how good Miller is fitting in now, he is a now player, not a foundation piece in 3 to 4 years, but he does have no clauses so he can be moved, remember Kesler's slide after 30 the decline, that is 3 years from now. FEBRUARY Injuries. Starts with game 2 of another 5 game road trip, the players should be more rested after the long all-star break, most anyway. Towards the TDL the schedule maker again gifted the Canucks with a huge break, they will pay for it in March though, 3 games in 10 days all at home and no back to backs. A well rested team will look very good vs the tired teams they have to play over that period, so they will be close at the TDL. The team could look much different after the February 23, the TDL. I expect a disaster, with FA's contracts ending and desperation to make the playoffs, the future is at stake, the next 5 years all in this month if there are bad decisions MARCH Injuries. Beware the ides of March, 16 games in 30 days, the heaviest month of their schedule, November was not so good and it only had 15 games and almost no injuries to players that had made significant contributions to the team. Starting on the road in the second of a back to back, one of 4 in this month with three on the road. There might easy games towards the end when teams decide to maneuver for improved odds and draft positions, the smart teams almost always do this, see Chicago and Tampa. Team's that have desperate GM's that have sold the farm to make the show get to show "improvement" to sell hope for the next year. Edmonton has a steady GM, Calgary may have traded for a goalie, the Knights will have played the Canucks another 2 times, Arizona has shown they are all in for a playoff spot and have oodles of assets, picks and prospects, they may get cap space at the TDL or through an LTIR, who knows where LA and SJ go, LA is a surprise, SJ is better than their record. And Anaheim with their 250+ man games lost and still in the hunt. This is such a deep draft there will be a repetition of the McD draft, the last year of guaranteed spots, but teams now see the odds change like a gambler, what difference between finishing 22nd and 28th or 29th, there will only be a few points between under the new system, it will be obvious that the team is "looking to see what is in the system" and give encouragement to their fans that they might get a superstud with better odds, it is good for the franchise and future to sacrifice one month to gain a possible 10 year player. A lot of praise for the teams around us, but none for the Canucks. Surprise surprise. Every team should tank since it's such a deep draft right? There will be other future strong draft years that we can worry about tanking for in the future. The Canucks are on the upswing and want to see what our players now can do in the playoffs. Miller is a now player, but he's also got some solid prime years on an amazing contract left, so we might as well take advantage of it. We have not sold the farm to get to where we are. Our farm is flourishing more now than ever before. And we certainly haven't been 100% healthy to date, so no idea why you would suggest that. Cap space is an issue, but Benning certainly has a plan in place as he forecasted that we wouldn't have as much cap space as people though despite having like 15+ million of space or so when he mentioned that. They are very cognizant of the cap and will make it work. Being up against the cap now also would restrict us from making said selling the farm type moves, so don't worry about us doing so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeneedLumme Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 The team is pretty much rebuilt, we are in a playoff spot, we have a Calder finalist for the third consecutive year with more in the pipeline, and some losers are still whining about our GM and advocating tanking? Migawd. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 4 hours ago, ItTakesAnArmy said: JANUARY, a start of a reason for a slide. Injuries. The Canucks have been blessed with the easiest schedule up to date, most days between game, most times playing a team in their second of a back to back, most back up goalies. Now come the start of a hard schedule Over the next 16 days the Canucks will play 9 games, a back to back and a five game road trip. With all those games condensed as they are the schedule maker still managed to fit in two days between games, a rest period. The Nux have been playing at 100% since the season started, so of the better teams have been coasting a bit and will now start putting the pedal down. Markstrom or Demko may have to be traded or lose one of them to expansion and then there is the cap and that this team is in a big cap crunch, mostly because contracts and poor stats, no other teams want to take on any vets the team may want to move without a draft pick sweetener. Benning has already demonstrated he will over pay in trades. No matter how good Miller is fitting in now, he is a now player, not a foundation piece in 3 to 4 years, but he does have no clauses so he can be moved, remember Kesler's slide after 30 the decline, that is 3 years from now. FEBRUARY Injuries. Starts with game 2 of another 5 game road trip, the players should be more rested after the long all-star break, most anyway. Towards the TDL the schedule maker again gifted the Canucks with a huge break, they will pay for it in March though, 3 games in 10 days all at home and no back to backs. A well rested team will look very good vs the tired teams they have to play over that period, so they will be close at the TDL. The team could look much different after the February 23, the TDL. I expect a disaster, with FA's contracts ending and desperation to make the playoffs, the future is at stake, the next 5 years all in this month if there are bad decisions MARCH Injuries. Beware the ides of March, 16 games in 30 days, the heaviest month of their schedule, November was not so good and it only had 15 games and almost no injuries to players that had made significant contributions to the team. Starting on the road in the second of a back to back, one of 4 in this month with three on the road. There might easy games towards the end when teams decide to maneuver for improved odds and draft positions, the smart teams almost always do this, see Chicago and Tampa. Team's that have desperate GM's that have sold the farm to make the show get to show "improvement" to sell hope for the next year. Edmonton has a steady GM, Calgary may have traded for a goalie, the Knights will have played the Canucks another 2 times, Arizona has shown they are all in for a playoff spot and have oodles of assets, picks and prospects, they may get cap space at the TDL or through an LTIR, who knows where LA and SJ go, LA is a surprise, SJ is better than their record. And Anaheim with their 250+ man games lost and still in the hunt. This is such a deep draft there will be a repetition of the McD draft, the last year of guaranteed spots, but teams now see the odds change like a gambler, what difference between finishing 22nd and 28th or 29th, there will only be a few points between under the new system, it will be obvious that the team is "looking to see what is in the system" and give encouragement to their fans that they might get a superstud with better odds, it is good for the franchise and future to sacrifice one month to gain a possible 10 year player. This is so much BS on so many levels. Sky is falling. Lucky? But the other teams not so much? I think you're in complete denial...you're predicting things that haven't happened and ignoring things that have. This tank nonsense is just that. Teams aren't strategically planning for next year...they're playing for this year. How about we talk about the draft when the season's over and not before?? Ugh. Seriously? We're lucky and the rest of the teams just haven't put the hammer down? They're pacing themselves? Planning for the future? Is that what I read (I got a headache halfway through so quit). You never did like the Miller deal as I recall. So much nothing in this post that I can see right through it. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrockBoester Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 On 1/1/2020 at 1:08 PM, Wilbur said: Yeah, those 50% will just pass it off because the pacific is the "worst division in the NHL". If the Canucks went 16-0 in the playoffs I'm sure some would still find fault. "But one of them was in overtime!" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 17 minutes ago, WeneedLumme said: The team is pretty much rebuilt, we are in a playoff spot, we have a Calder finalist for the third consecutive year with more in the pipeline, and some losers are still whining about our GM and advocating tanking? Migawd. It's stubbornness more than anything. Some stay stuck and just HAVE to have their point proven...even if/when it's not. Wishin' and hopin' but for all the wrong things. I can't understand those who spend all their time on here griping. It's been a fun year so far...far from perfect, but some really great takeaways. It's sad that some are hell bent on GM'ing from the couch rather than watching and being a fan like the rest of us. They never budge off their stance....not ever. Not even when things are different than the past and they are still stuck there. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, BrockBoester said: "But one of them was in overtime!" "They're not pretty goals, they're greasy. They don't count (do they?)" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItTakesAnArmy Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) 52 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said: This is so much BS on so many levels. Sky is falling. Lucky? But the other teams not so much? I think you're in complete denial...you're predicting things that haven't happened and ignoring things that have. This tank nonsense is just that. Teams aren't strategically planning for next year...they're playing for this year. How about we talk about the draft when the season's over and not before?? Ugh. Seriously? We're lucky and the rest of the teams just haven't put the hammer down? They're pacing themselves? Planning for the future? Is that what I read (I got a headache halfway through so quit). You never did like the Miller deal as I recall. So much nothing in this post that I can see right through it. Lucky, I am sure that is in relation to the schedule so far or is it that there have been no long term injuries to key personnel? Certainly this team has been luckier than many in the injury department especially to key players? My "predictions" are more around annual stats and trends, not just what did they do last night. Is it not harder to win on back to back nights on the road? Rick Bonus, when he got the top coaching job, stated to the world how he was so happy to be on a team that was NOT tanking at the end of the year? Tanking is so prevalent it is common knowledge, i mean you didn't find that Buffalo, Arizona and the Canucks suddenly became good enough to be in the top ten in the league in their last 15 games or so? The last few years in the last month of the season, all of a sudden SJ can't win a game or Tampa suddenly has injuries to most of their team. They even have terms for tanking, "seeing what's in the system" or "doing deals for next year", while not to say the word tank, it is the same. BTW, the players get paid anyway and it is easier on their bodies, the ones with contracts, they get their million regardless, they might not like it but it is a business and their bodies are their industry. And they will start using that term now because it is becoming acceptable to sell hope for the next and hope that your team's management know what they are doing, that's why it has been embraced by hundreds of thousands of fans across Canada, it will be in the media. Vegas odds makers sure know about tanking, another source of information is the odds makers. The next draft has become so much more important to teams because of the cap so knowing what is coming up equally becomes much more important, as an example, the 15th pick in 2008 was worth much more than the 15 pick in the Sedins draft only because there were so many more good players, so knowing the draft is important if trading away a draft pick or trading for one, top teams will often give up draft picks for refined prospects or they used to but now with the cap they pay a ransom for them, just look at ALL the trades except Vancouver's where a 1rst round pick is involved, 90% of the time the players involved were cornerstones on their teams or it was for cap releif so they had to add a sweetener. It is good to know values. Playing for keeps or now getting serius. Well the mainstream media in all the markets seem to think that established teams will start playing more for keeps now, I am sure the comment will be made more often over the next week or two as it has already been mentioned a few times already. The Miller deal? You are correct it was robbery by Tampa. Miller the player is okay, nothing wrong with him, but to have a capped out team with no out and top FA's to sign yet, to go to them hat in hand and give them two draft picks and a prospect at a time when all other deals of this nature were backwards, Tampa was close to having to include a draft pick with a player to make room. Lot's of teams would have wanted Miller most didn't have the cap space for him either. Simply, including a first for Miller was a huge mistake, it could turn out of be a #1 overall, the team's first and no matter how good Miller is, he is a NOW player, not a 5 year player. Of course there is the pressure on everyone to make sure this works now, so special treatment. Could you here the howls if he gets benched next year for poor play or the tears when he gets his next mysterious upper body injury. .Rebuild plans are in the nature of 3 to 5 years efforts usually, look at Ottawa even or NYR, half the time, twice the draft picks, twice the young players making a dent and only a very few points behind. I really didn't see what there was that would need explaining, it is all there for anyone to look at, only my personal opinion of the Miller trade, which i didn't really harp on. Edited January 3, 2020 by ItTakesAnArmy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 17 minutes ago, ItTakesAnArmy said: Lucky, I am sure that is in relation to the schedule so far or is it that there have been no long term injuries to key personnel? Certainly this team has been luckier than many in the injury department especially to key players? My "predictions" are more around annual stats and trends, not just what did they do last night. Is it not harder to win on back to back nights on the road? Rick Bonus, when he got the top coaching job, stated to the world how he was so happy to be on a team that was NOT tanking at the end of the year? Tanking is so prevalent it is common knowledge, i mean you didn't find that Buffalo, Arizona and the Canucks suddenly became good enough to be in the top ten in the league in their last 15 games or so? The last few years in the last month of the season, all of a sudden SJ can't win a game or Tampa suddenly has injuries to most of their team. They even have terms for tanking, "seeing what's in the system" or "doing deals for next year", while not to say the word tank, it is the same. BTW, the players get paid anyway and it is easier on their bodies, the ones with contracts, they get their million regardless, they might not like it but it is a business and their bodies are their industry. And they will start using that term now because it is becoming acceptable to sell hope for the next and hope that your team's management know what they are doing, that's why it has been embraced by hundreds of thousands of fans across Canada, it will be in the media. Vegas odds makers sure know about tanking, another source of information is the odds makers. The next draft has become so much more important to teams because of the cap so knowing what is coming up equally becomes much more important, as an example, the 15th pick in 2008 was worth much more than the 15 pick in the Sedins draft only because there were so many more good players, so knowing the draft is important if trading away a draft pick or trading for one, top teams will often give up draft picks for refined prospects or they used to but now with the cap they pay a ransom for them, just look at ALL the trades except Vancouver's where a 1rst round pick is involved, 90% of the time the players involved were cornerstones on their teams or it was for cap releif so they had to add a sweetener. It is good to know values. Playing for keeps or now getting serius. Well the mainstream media in all the markets seem to think that established teams will start playing more for keeps now, I am sure the comment will be made more often over the next week or two as it has already been mentioned a few times already. The Miller deal? You are correct it was robbery by Tampa. Miller the player is okay, nothing wrong with him, but to have a capped out team with no out and top FA's to sign yet, to go to them hat in hand and give them two draft picks and a prospect at a time when all other deals of this nature were backwards, Tampa was close to having to include a draft pick with a player to make room. Lot's of teams would have wanted Miller most didn't have the cap space for him either. Simply, including a first for Miller was a huge mistake, it could turn out of be a #1 overall, the team's first and no matter how good Miller is, he is a NOW player, not a 5 year player. Of course there is the pressure on everyone to make sure this works now, so special treatment. Could you here the howls if he gets benched next year for poor play or the tears when he gets his next mysterious upper body injury. .Rebuild plans are in the nature of 3 to 5 years efforts usually, look at Ottawa even or NYR, half the time, twice the draft picks, twice the young players making a dent and only a very few points behind. I really didn't see what there was that would need explaining, it is all there for anyone to look at, only my personal opinion of the Miller trade, which i didn't really harp on. I think you do a lot of talking, projecting, review stats/trends and don't do enough enjoying the moment in the here and now. Celebrate the victories don't just focus on the negative. It's all about what we did in the past. What we should do in the future. What about what we did the past 5 games? That counts. It's tiring at times. You're worrying and passing all that along and some of us come here to .... get away from worry. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItTakesAnArmy Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Just now, debluvscanucks said: I think you do a lot of talking, projecting, review stats/trends and don't do enough enjoying the moment in there here and now. It's all about what we did. What we should do. It's tiring at times. You're worrying and passing all that along and some of us come here to .... get away from worry. We've just won 5 in a row....what slide? The reason is simple: teams win AND lose. It is the topic of the thread, I didn't start it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Just now, ItTakesAnArmy said: It is the topic of the thread, I didn't start it I realize that and edited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EoH Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 This year i just look forward to Hughes getting points and hopefully winning the Calder. Setting my expectations from the bottom, so anything else that’s good comes with it is a bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metal Face Doom Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 On 1/2/2020 at 2:41 AM, aGENT said: For the near 50% of the board who are a bunch of panicky Pollyanna's... Green is doing just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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