Tortorella's Rant Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: Isn’t that where that guy (heh, not talking about the guy in that picture) fled to escape from being prosecuted in Japan? yes, that Ghosn guy too. Lebanon wouldn't be my first choice of retreat but to each their own His wife is from there; I guess he has connections. Edited January 8, 2020 by Tortorella's Rant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreFan1 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Holy crap. Trump is actually de-escalating the entire situation. He's decided to just fall back on leveling more sanctions against Iran by the looks of it. Maybe he was actually telling the truth all along about not wanting yet another war in the Middle East. If I see a pink elephant at some point today, I may just be able to say, "Now I've seen it all". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift-4 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 1 minute ago, SabreFan1 said: Holy crap. Trump is actually de-escalating the entire situation. He's decided to just fall back on leveling more sanctions against Iran by the looks of it. Maybe he was actually telling the truth all along about not wanting yet another war in the Middle East. If I see a pink elephant at some point today, I may just be able to say, "Now I've seen it all". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefCon1 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, SabreFan1 said: Holy crap. Trump is actually de-escalating the entire situation. He's decided to just fall back on leveling more sanctions against Iran by the looks of it. Maybe he was actually telling the truth all along about not wanting yet another war in the Middle East. If I see a pink elephant at some point today, I may just be able to say, "Now I've seen it all". Why would Trump retaliate if there was no American casualties? They knew Iran would retaliate and Iran retaliated in a way that no Americans would get hurt while playing it up to the home crowd by saying they killed 80 americans from their own state television. Both Iran and US want to avoid a war, thats why Iran targeted those bases intentionally, otherwise they couldve killed American soldiers if they wanted to. This was Iran playing it smart. If there were American casualties, no doubt Trump wouldve responded by now. Edited January 8, 2020 by DefCon1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreFan1 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 15 minutes ago, Shift-4 said: You one-upped me. A dancing pink elephant! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefCon1 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Boudrias said: The snow flake section that is cheerleading Iran will melt away just as Iran will. Somewhat laughable as Iranian claims of strength reminds me of the bravado of the Elite Iraqi Republican Guard. That went well. Iran is a house of cards held together by massive intimidation of their population. Murder and torture is a daily occurrence. Yet the global left, especially in the USA, cheers on the idea of Iranian retribution. The more American death the better. What a sad bunch. I dont think you have any idea of what Iran is planning or what Iran wants. If Iran wanted American casualties they would already target the closest US base with the most American soldiers in it. The fact that they did not, shows restraint on their part while launching the missiles to also show their own people that they arent weak and that the avenged their generals death. The only people that seem to want a war are Trump supporters who are sleeping in their cozy couch and watching Fox news with a popcorn in their hand while everyone else just doesnt want this to escalate. I guess everyone around the world are snowflakes except those brave Trump supporters that would probably dodge a draft if there ever was one. Edited January 8, 2020 by DefCon1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefCon1 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 1 minute ago, DefCon1 said: I dont think you have any idea of what Iran is planning or what Iran wants. If Iran wanted American casualties they would already target the closest US base with the most American soldiers in it. The fact that they did not, shows restraint on their part while launching the missiles to also show their own people that they arent weak and that they avenged their generals death. The only people that seem to want a war are Trump supporters who are sleeping in their cozy couch and watching Fox news with a popcorn in their hand while everyone else just doesnt want this to escalate. I guess everyone around the world are snowflakes except those brave Trump supporters that would probably dodge a draft if there ever was one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreFan1 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 11 minutes ago, DefCon1 said: Why would Trump retaliate if there was no American casualties? Because Trump has never been known for his restraint in neither his personal life or his political. Quote They knew Iran would retaliate and Iran retaliated in a way that no Americans would get hurt while playing it up to the home crowd by saying they killed 80 americans from their own state television. Both Iran and US want to avoid a war, thats why Iran targeted those bases intentionally, otherwise they couldve killed American soldiers if they wanted to. This was Iran playing it smart. If there were American casualties, no doubt Trump wouldve responded by now. You're speculating. You may be right or maybe not. When you lob missiles that aren't known for their accuracy, you could easily hit something that you don't want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefCon1 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 2 hours ago, Boudrias said: Could the missile strike have been impulsive? Always possible I guess. The left loves that idea as it feeds their missive that Trump is unstable. IMHO Trump has been pretty predictable. People might not like what he does but his agenda has been straight forward. MAGA. Globalists hate this. Businesses who exploit 3rd world sweat shops hate this. Allies who have sluffed off their defense expenses on the USA hate this. Countries who have manipulated their currencies for economic advantage hate this. Trump is very predictable. He has not entered into foreign military moves. He handled Syria pretty well. He supported the Ukraine with air defense systems. Surprise, he didn't invade Venezula. He has the USA booming with unemployment at 70 year lows. Labor participation rates at generational highs. IMHO those who oppose Trump have to put a solid business case together that challenges what Trump has accomplished. To date the Dems trot out nutbars like Warren, Sanders and AOC. When, on sober reflection, they move towards the middle their go to guy is Joe Biden. How do you take confidence from these options? Truly there are others than this bunch. Get a Tim Cook or a Google alumnus. Get someone who can develop a plan and knows how to execute it. Get someone who can force a debate on the economic future and not people who dwell on character assassination. Trump's lack of social graces can work against him. The Dem effort to date has been juvenile and most people see thru it. This is funny when he is just the 3rd president in US to be impeached. He also tweets about bombing cultural sites which amounts to a war crime, so can you blame people when they say he is unstable? Killing Soleimani was pretty unpredictable, I would say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefCon1 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 6 minutes ago, SabreFan1 said: Because Trump has never been known for his restraint in neither his personal life or his political. You're speculating. You may be right or maybe not. When you lob missiles that aren't known for their accuracy, you could easily hit something that you don't want to. Again they targeted US bases far away from Iran. why would they target those bases when they could target bases close to their border? why claim that they killed 80 americans while US says there were no casualties. This is just political theater, nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 2 hours ago, haton said: A spelling correction. Thanks. Appreciate the help from someone who also believes politics won over truth in the impeachment process. If you want to come off as someone who knows what he's talking about, understanding simple things like the difference between "prey" and "pray", will help you be taken more seriously. No charge for the service. Always happy to help with education. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 2 hours ago, Ohthehumanity said: This is exactly why they won't give up the info. It could be that they have an operative deep in that regime and to give out certain info would compromise that assets safety. Could be. Or it could be that they're using the claim to justify circumventing Congressional approval. But of course we know, this administration would never lie.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 I haven't read any of this but have been following the situation very closely the past few days... with many sources in Iran. This was just an inside job to help Trumps re-election / impeachment and to unify the iranian people against USA. Because for the first time in decades, millions of iranians were protesting against their government... they killed over 1500 of the protesters... Now everyone got what they want Trump has more support than ever ANd the dirty turbans that destroyed iran since the revolution, will continue to do so because the millions protesting against them, are now unified against americans. In iran all the news outlets are saying our retaliation attack killed 80 americans... there wasn't even a cockroach harmed. Everyone got played. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreFan1 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, DefCon1 said: Again they targeted US bases far away from Iran. why would they target those bases when they could target bases close to their border? why claim that they killed 80 americans while US says there were no casualties. This is just political theater, nothing more. I get what you are saying. What I'm saying is that they know that the missiles that they used aren't very accurate so even if they aimed them 1 mile north of the base into the open desert, there was always the possibility it could have struck one of the bunkers that the soldiers ran into. A direct hit on a bunker, on purpose or not, would have caused death. If they meant to just posture with the missile strike, Iran took a serious calculated risk. Even US cruise missiles can be slightly knocked off course because of environmental issues like sudden gusting winds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, apollo said: I haven't read any of this but have been following the situation very closely the past few days... with many sources in Iran. This was just an inside job to help Trumps re-election / impeachment and to unify the iranian people against USA. Because for the first time in decades, millions of iranians were protesting against their government... they killed over 1500 of the protesters... Now everyone got what they want Trump has more support than ever ANd the dirty turbans that destroyed iran since the revolution, will continue to do so because the millions protesting against them, are now unified against americans. In iran all the news outlets are saying our retaliation attack killed 80 americans... there wasn't even a cockroach harmed. Everyone got played. I heard the Iranians told the Iraqi PM they were going to hit “x targets” and the Iraqi PM naturally informed the US. It ain’t a surprise party when the “guest” knows what’s going to happen. Only person that got played worse was Apollo Creed when he faced Clubber Lang. Edited January 8, 2020 by NewbieCanuckFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 2 hours ago, Ronaldoescobar said: I think the main agreed is if the situation is de-escalated then a Nobel Prize for peace is Trumps. Trillions around the world support and praise this and the globalist, communist, fascist, socialists cant keep the prize from him forever! Word. No chance president Dotard gets beaten by a little girl two years in a row.... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefCon1 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 30 minutes ago, SabreFan1 said: I get what you are saying. What I'm saying is that they know that the missiles that they used aren't very accurate so even if they aimed them 1 mile north of the base into the open desert, there was always the possibility it could have struck one of the bunkers that the soldiers ran into. A direct hit on a bunker, on purpose or not, would have caused death. If they meant to just posture with the missile strike, Iran took a serious calculated risk. Even US cruise missiles can be slightly knocked off course because of environmental issues like sudden gusting winds. I think both parties knew where the missiles would hit and Americans evacuated that base before the missile hit. Just look at Trumps tweet right after, it seemed like he knew all along. No one would tweet all is well after a missile hit, especially if it was a surprise hit that no one knew. This is just political theater to keep the masses occupied while deflecting attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, haton said: Oh geez. A simple thanks wasn't enough? I'd give you more praise but really, it was just a typo style error. I do know the difference between prey and pray, so I thought just simple thanks was in order. It seems you didn't have the same appreciation for the help I gave you though. You upvoted a cartoon with a wishbone in it that inferred that Trump was screwed over by politics in his impeachment rather than it being the result of the truth winning out. In your defense, the guy who posted it probably didn't know he was posting pro Trump propaganda either. I think it's political on both sides, but that doesn't mean that I don't think Trump abused his office. The two things aren't mutually exclusive, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreFan1 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 34 minutes ago, DefCon1 said: I think both parties knew where the missiles would hit and Americans evacuated that base before the missile hit. Just look at Trumps tweet right after, it seemed like he knew all along. No one would tweet all is well after a missile hit, especially if it was a surprise hit that no one knew. This is just political theater to keep the masses occupied while deflecting attention. You may be right. Time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreFan1 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 26 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said: I think it's political on both sides, but that doesn't mean that I don't think Trump abused his office. The two things aren't mutually exclusive, IMO. Trump was ham-handed in how he handled killing the Iranian general. As for abusing his office, Congressional Democrats don't have a leg to stand on with that charge. The legislative branch ceded it's war powers to the executive branch a long time ago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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