ItsAllOursBoys Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 5 hours ago, Red Light Racicot said: America has always been the instigator. The 1953 coup in order to turn Iran into a puppet state is the reason relations between the two countries have been terrible for such a long time. This idea that America is the protagonist of the world is ridiculous and frankly, delusional. Nice opinion piece Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 3 hours ago, haton said: That's right. Trump does want to fight Iran. If he loses the election Iran is left with nuclear weapons and no opposition. Iran says they want to destroy Israel and they welcome the destruction of the entire earth. They talk crazy. So Trump needs to very quickly eviscerate Iran by bombing their oil industry into dust. Iran can give up nuclear "power" and save themselves. Their choice. The American's benefit either way now that they are oil exporters. Once Iran is taken care, from Trump's perspective, the US is free to leave the middle east. There would no longer be a reason to be there. you really believe this? you think iran and the iranian people can and sould be subjected to the type of bombings you suggest the resulting environmental holocaust is worth this all? how is that pollution going to be contained within iran? it won't be so large parts of the middle east will be contaminated and poor health resulting for millions who is going to clean that up? think the usa can just walk away from that after creating that disaster? how about if trump restore the nuclear treaty that he unilaterally withdrew from and replaced with crippling sanctions cuz he wants to be tough and also do the saudi's bidding try to give your viewpoints larger context the world is less black and white then you believe or see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 (edited) double post Edited January 4, 2020 by coastal.view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Iran isn't blameless but the real terrorists are the Americans. Trump should be hanged for this war crime. 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsAllOursBoys Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 10 hours ago, Canorth said: Well said... for someone who clearly doesn’t understand the terms “Facts” or “Context” making such a comment without evidence is as smart as throwing a grenade into a crowd of people then running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 6 hours ago, ItsAllOursBoys said: I take it you didn't do well in school? Seeing that you ask other to do your homework for you.... With all due respect to your question, its shows an inherent misunderstanding of basic military strategy and planning. Sun Tzu said "Oh divine are to subtlety and secrecy! Through you we learn to be invisible, through you inaudible and hence, we can hold the enemy's fate in our hands". In the art of war, they utilize 5th column tactics. Instead of attacking their enemy from the North, South, East or West, their enter land in stealth or as a friend and once inside, begin their seditious work. These are the type of tactics the Iranians are using. It's your opinion that the statements I posted were "tough talking rhetoric" and I can respect that. You're entitled to your own opinions, but your not entitled to your own facts. Those are their statements and their actions over the last 39 years show their "rhetoric" has morphed into a sophisticated network of proxy wars and guerilla warfare. There are no US/Israel statements that match the murderous intent as the Islamic Republic of Iran. Iran knows they would never win a direct confrontation with Israel or the US so they resort to attacking western targets through their proxies - Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, Hamas and other Shi'ite Militia groups. The following are just a few instances of how Iran fights their wars against Israel their neighbors and the world. All instances have objective, verifiable evidence (You'll have to look this up on your own). 1979 - Iranian students backed by Khomeini took 52 America hostages for 444 days when they overthrew the US embassy in Tehran 1981 - Six Arab countries - Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar and the UAE form the GCC to oppose Iranian aggression 1981 - Iran sponsored the Islamic Front for the Liberation of Bahrain in their failed coup attempt to take over the country of Bahrain 1983 - The terrorist group Hezbollah attacked the US embassy in Beirut, killing 17 US Soldiers. 1983 - Hezbollah attacks the US Marine barracks in Beirut - killed 241 Americans 1984 - Hezbollah truck bomb attack at the US Embassy in Lebanon - killed 23 people 1992 - Hezbollah bombed the Israeli embassy in Argentina - killed 29 people 1994 - Hezbollah bombed a Jewish community center in Argentina - killed 96 people 1994 - Argentina indicted several members of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard of terrorism against a Jewish target in Buenos Aires which killed 85 people 1998 - Iran found guilty in US courts of providing direct material and financial support for the US embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania 2001 - Iran allows Al-Qaeda planners of 9/11 safe passage through Iran to Afghanistan where they received their guerilla warfare training. A US court ordered Iran to pay 6 Billion to the families of 9/11 victims 2011 - Iranian Plot is foiled in Washington D.C that attempted to assassinate the Saudi ambassador to the US at a local restaurant 2011 - Two Iranian intelligence officers defect to the west, implicating Iran with withholding foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks 2012 - Members of Soleimani's IRGC were arrested in Nigeria for plotting to attack/blow up American/English tourist destinations 2012 - Hezbollah kills five Israeli's and a Bulgarian bus driver in a suicide bombing in Burgas Bulgaria 2012 - Kenyan police arrest two Iranians for shipping 100 kilo's of explosives into Kenya for terrorist attacks against American, Israeli and other western targets 2012 - Indian police state that the Iranian Revolutionary Guards were responsible for the bomb explosion that injured and Israeli diplomat 2013 - Hezbollah sends thousands of soldiers to Syria to fight for the Assad regime 2017 - Two members of Hezbollah (financed and supported by Iran) were arrested in NYC while conducting surveillance on US Military and police departments. 2018 - Two Iranian agents arrested in NYC for planning terrorist attacks against Jewish targets in Chicago 2018 - Albania expels the Iranian ambassador for "supporting terrorism" 2018 - France freezes Iranian funds for attempted bomb attack at a Paris rally Wherever you find Hezbollah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad and various other Shi'ite militias, (Israel, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Bahrain, Argentina, Kenya, Tanzania, Bulgaria, India, Albania, France, US) you find the invading long armed tentacles of the Islamic Republic of Iran. So, time to "delve deep" and do some homework reading on your own... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state-sponsored_terrorism#Albania https://securitystudies.org/qassem-soleimani-an-appreciation-of-a-foe/ https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Iran-Report.pdf https://www.state.gov/countering-irans-global-terrorism/ https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2019/01/24/the-iranian-revolution-and-its-legacy-of-terrorism/ https://www.unitedagainstnucleariran.com/terrorism https://www.heritage.org/military-strength/assessing-threats-us-vital-interests/iran Good work. Progressives are so desperate for any hit on Trump that they willfully ignore the ME history of the Iranian attacks against their neighbors. To a degree I am sympathetic with the Iranians as the world really didn't care much when Hussein invaded Iran. The Saudis should also carry a lot of responsibility to what has gone in the ME. Even as Obama dumped pallet loads of cash into Iran it did not work. Not unlike the Roman Senate that paid tribute to keep the hoards out. The Americans have been disengaging since Obama and Trump has continued that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickly Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 17 hours ago, SabreFan1 said: I'm just giving you good-natured grief. They should consider turning your old unit back into a special forces unit something along the lines of the Army Rangers here in the US. One thing Canada has always gotten right and supported is it's special ops forces. Our defence budget is minuscule compared to other NATO countries. It sucks. It’s even worse now since combat ops ended in 2010. However, our training standards make up for it. We made the US Marines look silly in a friendly mil-skills competition down south a few years back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 10 hours ago, ItsAllOursBoys said: I take it you didn't do well in school? Seeing that you ask other to do your homework for you.... With all due respect to your question, its shows an inherent misunderstanding of basic military strategy and planning. Sun Tzu said "Oh divine are to subtlety and secrecy! Through you we learn to be invisible, through you inaudible and hence, we can hold the enemy's fate in our hands". In the art of war, they utilize 5th column tactics. Instead of attacking their enemy from the North, South, East or West, their enter land in stealth or as a friend and once inside, begin their seditious work. These are the type of tactics the Iranians are using. It's your opinion that the statements I posted were "tough talking rhetoric" and I can respect that. You're entitled to your own opinions, but your not entitled to your own facts. Those are their statements and their actions over the last 39 years show their "rhetoric" has morphed into a sophisticated network of proxy wars and guerilla warfare. There are no US/Israel statements that match the murderous intent as the Islamic Republic of Iran. Iran knows they would never win a direct confrontation with Israel or the US so they resort to attacking western targets through their proxies - Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, Hamas and other Shi'ite Militia groups. The following are just a few instances of how Iran fights their wars against Israel their neighbors and the world. All instances have objective, verifiable evidence (You'll have to look this up on your own). 1979 - Iranian students backed by Khomeini took 52 America hostages for 444 days when they overthrew the US embassy in Tehran 1981 - Six Arab countries - Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar and the UAE form the GCC to oppose Iranian aggression 1981 - Iran sponsored the Islamic Front for the Liberation of Bahrain in their failed coup attempt to take over the country of Bahrain 1983 - The terrorist group Hezbollah attacked the US embassy in Beirut, killing 17 US Soldiers. 1983 - Hezbollah attacks the US Marine barracks in Beirut - killed 241 Americans 1984 - Hezbollah truck bomb attack at the US Embassy in Lebanon - killed 23 people 1992 - Hezbollah bombed the Israeli embassy in Argentina - killed 29 people 1994 - Hezbollah bombed a Jewish community center in Argentina - killed 96 people 1994 - Argentina indicted several members of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard of terrorism against a Jewish target in Buenos Aires which killed 85 people 1998 - Iran found guilty in US courts of providing direct material and financial support for the US embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania 2001 - Iran allows Al-Qaeda planners of 9/11 safe passage through Iran to Afghanistan where they received their guerilla warfare training. A US court ordered Iran to pay 6 Billion to the families of 9/11 victims 2011 - Iranian Plot is foiled in Washington D.C that attempted to assassinate the Saudi ambassador to the US at a local restaurant 2011 - Two Iranian intelligence officers defect to the west, implicating Iran with withholding foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks 2012 - Members of Soleimani's IRGC were arrested in Nigeria for plotting to attack/blow up American/English tourist destinations 2012 - Hezbollah kills five Israeli's and a Bulgarian bus driver in a suicide bombing in Burgas Bulgaria 2012 - Kenyan police arrest two Iranians for shipping 100 kilo's of explosives into Kenya for terrorist attacks against American, Israeli and other western targets 2012 - Indian police state that the Iranian Revolutionary Guards were responsible for the bomb explosion that injured and Israeli diplomat 2013 - Hezbollah sends thousands of soldiers to Syria to fight for the Assad regime 2017 - Two members of Hezbollah (financed and supported by Iran) were arrested in NYC while conducting surveillance on US Military and police departments. 2018 - Two Iranian agents arrested in NYC for planning terrorist attacks against Jewish targets in Chicago 2018 - Albania expels the Iranian ambassador for "supporting terrorism" 2018 - France freezes Iranian funds for attempted bomb attack at a Paris rally Wherever you find Hezbollah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad and various other Shi'ite militias, (Israel, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Bahrain, Argentina, Kenya, Tanzania, Bulgaria, India, Albania, France, US) you find the invading long armed tentacles of the Islamic Republic of Iran. So, time to "delve deep" and do some homework reading on your own... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state-sponsored_terrorism#Albania https://securitystudies.org/qassem-soleimani-an-appreciation-of-a-foe/ https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Iran-Report.pdf https://www.state.gov/countering-irans-global-terrorism/ https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2019/01/24/the-iranian-revolution-and-its-legacy-of-terrorism/ https://www.unitedagainstnucleariran.com/terrorism https://www.heritage.org/military-strength/assessing-threats-us-vital-interests/iran Your reading comprehension isn't the greatest is it How many nations has Iran invaded? How many sovereign borders has Iran crossed in aggression. For every single incident you posted, some are in house issues inside Iran, most are issues caused by guerrilla factions from various nations outside of Iran but including Iranians. Why don't you list the same timeline of offences caused by the US or Israel. Because by your list, there are ZERO borders crossed by Iran, there are ZERO nations attacked by Iran. When you ask someone to delve deep and do homework, ensure you're talking to someone who hasn't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 3 hours ago, Boudrias said: Even as Obama dumped pallet loads of cash into Iran it did not work. Not unlike the Roman Senate that paid tribute to keep the hoards out. The Americans have been disengaging since Obama and Trump has continued that. Uses the term progressives like it's an insult. The repeats the same disproven talking point that the regressive have been hounding for almost 9 years On 1/2/2020 at 7:03 PM, nuckin_futz said: In the 1970s, Iran paid the U.S. $400 million for military equipment that was never delivered because the government was overthrown and diplomatic relations ruptured. After the nuclear deal, the U.S. and Iran announced they had settled the matter, with the U.S. agreeing to pay the $400 million principal along with about $1.3 billion in interest. The $400 million was paid in cash and flown to Tehran on a cargo plane. The arrangement provided for the interest to be paid later. ********************** There is no $150 Billion dollars. The $400 million was paid in cash because Iran is locked out of the international SWIFT system created and controlled by the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 10 hours ago, ItsAllOursBoys said: Nice opinion piece explain how he's wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 14 hours ago, Sbriggs said: Whats dumb is assassinating another countries military leaders, how would we or the US react if one of their military leaders were assassinated? And since it was the US what if some country, like say Iraq, assassinated Bush, he's a war criminal, lied to the world, invaded another country illegally, murdered 10's of thousands if not more looking for fake weapons of mass destruction all for oil. The US is loosing its allies and becoming a lone wolf, dangerous direction. Lets try and remember history, no matter what, all super powers fall, one way or another Just imagine if North Korea after Trump tweeted yet again to turn the entire nation in to a parking lot decided to "save their freedom" by say, dumping a missile on Bolton, or Kushner or a US general. Think that the US would be ok with that? Nah You're bang on. The Us IS the current aggressor in the Middle East The US has 46 bases surrounding Iran thousands of troops and hundreds of aircraft, without mentioning the battle fleet in the gulf. Imagine if Iran started doing the same around the US... Iran is NOT innocent, but for the US to keep trying to paint them as the aggressor is a gd joke 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sbriggs Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 6 hours ago, Warhippy said: Just imagine if North Korea after Trump tweeted yet again to turn the entire nation in to a parking lot decided to "save their freedom" by say, dumping a missile on Bolton, or Kushner or a US general. Think that the US would be ok with that? Nah You're bang on. The Us IS the current aggressor in the Middle East The US has 46 bases surrounding Iran thousands of troops and hundreds of aircraft, without mentioning the battle fleet in the gulf. Imagine if Iran started doing the same around the US... Iran is NOT innocent, but for the US to keep trying to paint them as the aggressor is a gd joke Thank you, the biggest problem the countries have in the middle east is US presence. Your exactly right, how would the US react to being surrounded by unwanted aggressors.......Oh unless its Russia of coarse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Cathode Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Perhaps not everyone in Iraq is upset with the US. Terrorist leaders don’t only terrorize foreigners: https://www.timesofisrael.com/iraq-anti-govt-protesters-sing-dance-after-soleimani-death/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Cathode Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 8 hours ago, Warhippy said: Uses the term progressives like it's an insult. The repeats the same disproven talking point that the regressive have been hounding for almost 9 years The last thing ‘progressives’ are is progressive. Moving away from individualism to collectivism and statism is hardly progress, it is a regression back into the times of the monarchy. Surely the left uses that term ironically. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreFan1 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 23 hours ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: Be a good boy and listen to Nickelback for at least 10 hours straight. I have got to be one of the few people that still like Nickelback. I don't get the hate that gets thrown their way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBH1926 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, SabreFan1 said: I have got to be one of the few people that still like Nickelback. I don't get the hate that gets thrown their way. I agree, few of their songs are pretty decent, not sure why they catch so much slack. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreFan1 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 10 hours ago, Pickly said: Our defence budget is minuscule compared to other NATO countries. It sucks. It’s even worse now since combat ops ended in 2010. However, our training standards make up for it. We made the US Marines look silly in a friendly mil-skills competition down south a few years back. Like I said earlier, Canada does a good job in small scale support and training, especially with it's special ops. US grunts, like the marines, basically have all the ammo they can fire so it's "spray and pray" which is one of the reasons we have an all too high friendly fire casualty problem. You take out plenty of the enemy, but you also tend to hit your own guys as well. It's been a year or two since I last checked, but Canada and the UK always went back and forth on holding the record on long distance shooting/sniping. It's ridiculous on how far away some of those shots/kills are. It's weird thinking about how some poor sap in Afghanistan goes to take a leak behind a rock and a mile and a half away some UK or Canadian sniper calmly aims and puts a hole in the side of his head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 12 hours ago, Ray_Cathode said: The last thing ‘progressives’ are is progressive. Moving away from individualism to collectivism and statism is hardly progress, it is a regression back into the times of the monarchy. Surely the left uses that term ironically. It is the progressive Liebel government who nationalized the print media with a $600 million bribe. Not a whimper from the left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 On 1/2/2020 at 6:49 PM, *Buzzsaw* said: Iran is not a democracy and is not a friend to the US. But the rest of your comments are nonsense... you have been watching too much Faux News. The chances of Iran taking out Israel and the US is zero.... both of them dwarf Iran in miltary power. Both the US and Israel have Nuclear weapons to deter Iran. Israel would use them instantly if they thought they were threatened. Iran is the leading Shia Muslim state and as such will protect Shia Muslims... they are doing that in Iraq, Lebanon, Yemen and in Syria, all countries have either majority Shia or large minorities. Their tactics are not pretty, but they will continue as long as they feel Shias are threatened by either Sunni Muslims, (Saudi Arabia) or Israel. The Shia minorities in Yemen are being systematically bombed and starved by Saudi. In Lebanon, Israel regularly bombs or invades. In Syria and Iraq, ISIS did its best to exterminate all Shias. What was needed was negotiation and compromise... the course Obama had taken. Trump's actions will cause a lot of death and suffering... with the loss of US lives too. Which are the nasty crazy ones, the Shia or the Sunni? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 21 hours ago, Warhippy said: Just imagine if North Korea after Trump tweeted yet again to turn the entire nation in to a parking lot decided to "save their freedom" by say, dumping a missile on Bolton, or Kushner or a US general. Think that the US would be ok with that? Nah You're bang on. The Us IS the current aggressor in the Middle East The US has 46 bases surrounding Iran thousands of troops and hundreds of aircraft, without mentioning the battle fleet in the gulf. Imagine if Iran started doing the same around the US... Iran is NOT innocent, but for the US to keep trying to paint them as the aggressor is a gd joke Not a joke; it’s propaganda to protect US oil interests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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