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Trump says US will strike back, perhaps disproportionately if Iran strikes a US person or target

Sun 5 Jan 2020 20:30:13 GMT

 

US President Trump tweets on Iran, not signalling any form of de-escalation  

News of the deaths US personnel in Kenya could spur further US military action:
 
 
US President Trump tweets on Iran, not signalling any form of de-escalation  
 
 
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Iraqi militia leader says if US troops do not leave Iraq, they would be considered an occupying force

Sun 5 Jan 2020 20:35:46 GMT
 

Comments from Qais al-Khazali the commander of an Iran-backed Iraqi militia 

  • if U.S. troops do not leave Iraq, they would be considered an occupying force
Khazali speaking after Iraq's parliament backed a recommendation by the prime minister to end the presence of foreign troops
 
 
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US State Dept says its disappointed by Iraq's parliament vote on foreign troop withdrawal

Sun 5 Jan 2020 20:48:34 GMT
 

State Department expressing disappointment the Iraq parliament voted on ordering foreign troops out of the country

  • strongly urges Iraqi leaders to bear in mind the importance of US-Iraq economic and security relationship, presence of US-led collation to defeat the Islamic State 
  • says Iraq, US have a shared interest to continue fighting Islamic State together 

 

https://www.forexlive.com/news/!/us-state-dept-says-its-disappointed-by-iraqs-parliament-vote-on-foreign-troop-withdrawal-20200105

 

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Reports US personnel injured in rocket attack in Baghdad Green Zone

Sun 5 Jan 2020 20:51:56 GMT
 

Earlier news on the rocket attack:

Follow up:
  • Two civilians from the US Department of Defense reported as being injured
  • a rocket made a direct impact on an apartment near the the American embassy 

https://www.forexlive.com/news/!/reports-us-personnel-injured-in-rocket-attack-in-baghdad-green-zone-20200105

 

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Iran on heightened alert. US military aircraft airborne over Baghdad.

Sun 5 Jan 2020 20:55:59 GMT
 

Plenty of news coming out of the Middle East right now, a catch up:

 
  • Reuters report that US officials say Iranian missile regiments are on heightened alert across that country
 
  • US air force planes are flying over Baghdad (response to the earlier missile attack on the Green Zone) 

https://www.forexlive.com/news/!/iran-on-heightened-alert-us-military-aircraft-airborne-over-baghdad-20200105

 

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De-escalation seems like a fantasy at this point.

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39 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said:

Trump says US will strike back, perhaps disproportionately if Iran strikes a US person or target

Sun 5 Jan 2020 20:30:13 GMT

 

US President Trump tweets on Iran, not signalling any form of de-escalation  

News of the deaths US personnel in Kenya could spur further US military action:
 
 
US President Trump tweets on Iran, not signalling any form of de-escalation  
 
 
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Iraqi militia leader says if US troops do not leave Iraq, they would be considered an occupying force

Sun 5 Jan 2020 20:35:46 GMT
 

Comments from Qais al-Khazali the commander of an Iran-backed Iraqi militia 

  • if U.S. troops do not leave Iraq, they would be considered an occupying force
Khazali speaking after Iraq's parliament backed a recommendation by the prime minister to end the presence of foreign troops
 
 
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US State Dept says its disappointed by Iraq's parliament vote on foreign troop withdrawal

Sun 5 Jan 2020 20:48:34 GMT
 

State Department expressing disappointment the Iraq parliament voted on ordering foreign troops out of the country

  • strongly urges Iraqi leaders to bear in mind the importance of US-Iraq economic and security relationship, presence of US-led collation to defeat the Islamic State 
  • says Iraq, US have a shared interest to continue fighting Islamic State together 

 

https://www.forexlive.com/news/!/us-state-dept-says-its-disappointed-by-iraqs-parliament-vote-on-foreign-troop-withdrawal-20200105

 

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Reports US personnel injured in rocket attack in Baghdad Green Zone

Sun 5 Jan 2020 20:51:56 GMT
 

Earlier news on the rocket attack:

Follow up:
  • Two civilians from the US Department of Defense reported as being injured
  • a rocket made a direct impact on an apartment near the the American embassy 

https://www.forexlive.com/news/!/reports-us-personnel-injured-in-rocket-attack-in-baghdad-green-zone-20200105

 

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Iran on heightened alert. US military aircraft airborne over Baghdad.

Sun 5 Jan 2020 20:55:59 GMT
 

Plenty of news coming out of the Middle East right now, a catch up:

 
  • Reuters report that US officials say Iranian missile regiments are on heightened alert across that country
 
  • US air force planes are flying over Baghdad (response to the earlier missile attack on the Green Zone) 

https://www.forexlive.com/news/!/iran-on-heightened-alert-us-military-aircraft-airborne-over-baghdad-20200105

 

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De-escalation seems like a fantasy at this point.

You absolutely positively know that the US will be skirting Iranian missile range with drones for the next few weeks.  At any point in time if any US aircraft is fired on from anyone in the area Trump will be slamming that button faster than a yellow tester does a like button on an anti Trudeau post

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1 hour ago, Ryan Strome said:

Not saying you are necessarily wrong but Iran sponsors and funds terrorists I wonder if it was the American aggressor when Obama threatened them? They do need a regime change in Iran No Doubt I mean look what they did to that Canadian journalists a number of years back they are a terrible Nation even their people want a regime change. I'm not advocating for war but it is pretty hard to deal with someone that Finance terrorism in the region and you make it sound like it's all the United States.

Obama threatened them, then sat down and brokered a peace deal after outlining possible scenarios, all of which lead to Iran being turned in to a parking lot.

 

Again, show me where Iran has attacked or invaded any one nation, bombed or intervened in any Mid East conflict they were not invited in to by neighbouring leaders.  You can't because they've followed the basic rules.

 

Iran is NOT a good country.  But the US IS in fact the current aggressor in the Middle East.  Selling weapons to everyone, intervening in every tiff or spat so long as the oil and weapons contracts are flowing.  I mean, let's be critically harsh here.

 

Trump has been threatening Iran since pre election.  He has pulled out of peace agreements, increased military strength there, violated their airspace dozens of times and he endlessly threatens them via social media and on the world stage.  As an alternative, imagine if Trump threatens North Korea.  North Korea decides that they've had enough and drone strike a US ambassador outside of the US embassy in South Korea.  Or alternatively Iran does the same.  They then threaten major US cultural sites.  

 

Who is at fault?  Who is in fact the aggressor?  The US is currently funding the war in Yemen and literal millions are starving to death.  The US invaded Iraq without provocation in 2002.  The US invaded Afghanistan in 2003.  The US continues to feed information to despot lead nations and sells weapons without a shred of decency towards the humanitarian plights they are causing.  

 

If I am making it sound like It is ALL the United States...maybe just maybe there is a reason for it?

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6 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Obama threatened them, then sat down and brokered a peace deal after outlining possible scenarios, all of which lead to Iran being turned in to a parking lot.

 

Again, show me where Iran has attacked or invaded any one nation, bombed or intervened in any Mid East conflict they were not invited in to by neighbouring leaders.  You can't because they've followed the basic rules.

 

Iran is NOT a good country.  But the US IS in fact the current aggressor in the Middle East.  Selling weapons to everyone, intervening in every tiff or spat so long as the oil and weapons contracts are flowing.  I mean, let's be critically harsh here.

 

Trump has been threatening Iran since pre election.  He has pulled out of peace agreements, increased military strength there, violated their airspace dozens of times and he endlessly threatens them via social media and on the world stage.  As an alternative, imagine if Trump threatens North Korea.  North Korea decides that they've had enough and drone strike a US ambassador outside of the US embassy in South Korea.  Or alternatively Iran does the same.  They then threaten major US cultural sites.  

 

Who is at fault?  Who is in fact the aggressor?  The US is currently funding the war in Yemen and literal millions are starving to death.  The US invaded Iraq without provocation in 2002.  The US invaded Afghanistan in 2003.  The US continues to feed information to despot lead nations and sells weapons without a shred of decency towards the humanitarian plights they are causing.  

 

If I am making it sound like It is ALL the United States...maybe just maybe there is a reason for it?

I have never praised US military intervention and you know that. Iran is funding one side US and Arabia funding the other side. Iran funds terrorists also so they have it coming in a way.

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7 hours ago, Alflives said:

Which are the nasty crazy ones, the Shia or the Sunni?  

Depends on which Muslim denomination you belong to.

 

According the Sunnis, the Shias are the nasty ones.

 

According to the Shias, its the opposite.

 

The Dispute dates back to 700 AD when the original Muslims split over who would succeed as the leader of their religion.  The Sunnis at the time massacred the leader of the Shia faction... who was from Iraq.  Sunnis who massacred him were from Saudi.

 

Re. the Western perspective:

 

The Sunnis have done far more damage to Western interests.

 

Sunnis were responsible for 911, and most of the terrorist attacks made in the west.

 

Al Quaeda, ISIS, Al Shabab, etc. are all Sunni.  Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are Sunnis.  The Taliban in Afghanistan are Sunnis.

 

Iranian Shias took US hostages in Iran back in 1979 because they were angry the overthrown dictator Shah of Iran was being given sanctuary in the US, but these were released with no harm done.

 

The Lebanese Shia group Hezbollah blew up a Marine barracks in Lebanon in 1982, kiling 200, but they were in their home country which had been invaded and nearly completely occupied by Israel... and the US was supporting the Israelis.

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I don't think this is actually from the Iranian government but does go to show the level of rhetoric going around. Doubtful Trump will simply laugh this one off.

 

Weekend bounty hunter news - Iran offers $80m for the head of US President Trump

Sun 5 Jan 2020 22:58:51 GMT

 

Iran put a bit of thought into the official announcement, offering a dollar from every member of Iran's 80 million population

  • "And we would give this $80million, on our own behalf, as a gift to anyone who brings the head of the person who ordered the murder of the grand figure of our revolution.
  • Anyone who brings us the head of this yellow-haired lunatic, we would give him $80million on behalf of the great Iranian nation. Chant if you agree."
That from a voice over on the video of the protest march in Tehran on Sunday.
 
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On 1/4/2020 at 1:04 PM, Warhippy said:

Your reading comprehension isn't the greatest is it

 

How many nations has Iran invaded?  How many sovereign borders has Iran crossed in aggression.  For every single incident you posted, some are in house issues inside Iran, most are issues caused by guerrilla factions from various nations outside of Iran but including Iranians.  Why don't you list the same timeline of offences caused by the US or Israel.

 

Because by your list, there are ZERO borders crossed by Iran, there are ZERO nations attacked by Iran.  When you ask someone to delve deep and do homework, ensure you're talking to someone who hasn't.  

Perhaps you had a little trouble with reading, comprehension and logic as well? With all due respect, I'd suggest you go back and carefully reread my post, resisting the urge to respond until you understand the points I'm making and until you brush up on your understanding of modern warfare tactics employed by Islamic Republic of Iran and other Radical Jihadists. 

 

When was the last time the US or Israel blew up/attacked an Iranian place of worship? or an Iranian embassy? Iranian shopping mall? Iranian community center?

 

The kindergarten map you presented (and subsequent argument about the US presence) is really part of a larger straw-man argument based in ignorance and intellectual dishonesty. What you conveniently fail to mention is that most of those locations exist at the request and/or permission of the individual sovereign states. They exist mainly to deter Iranian/Radical Jihadi aggression.

 

 

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On 1/2/2020 at 11:37 PM, ItsAllOursBoys said:

B1: Epitome of the saying "you never miss a chance to make a horrible first impression". Listen son, it's time you unplugged yourself from the CNN/MSM matrix and pick up a good history book. I don't get my news from MSM, Fox or otherwise. That you would attribute my positions to "Faux News" reveals more about your flawed ideology and worldview than it does mine.

B2: This statement shows complete ignorance of the geopolitical reality of the region and the catastrophic damage inflicted by guerrilla warfare tactics utilized by terrorist groups funded and trained by Iran.

B3 & 4: Shows a near complete ignorance of the history of modern Iran and the radical Islamist's methods of operation. Iran's intent in the region isn't one of protectionism, of protecting Shia Muslims etc. It's on a drive for complete dominance of the region and the ultimate eradication of Israel. Then with the Muslim nations of the Middle East and Africa, overtake the Great Satan America. Their goal is a world-wide Caliphate. Don't take my word for it, here's a few (of many) murderous threats made by this terrorist regime....

 

Ahmad Alamolhoda, a member of the Assembly of Experts: “The destruction of Israel is the idea of the Islamic Revolution in Iran and is one of the pillars of the Iranian Islamic regime. We cannot claim that we have no intention of going to war with Israel.”

 

Mohammad Hassan Rahimian, Khamenei’s representative to the Moustazafan Foundation: “We have manufactured missiles that allow us, when necessary to replace Israel in its entirety with a big holocaust.”

 

Mohammad Khatami, the former president of Iran: “If we abide by real legal laws, we should mobilize the whole Islamic world for a sharp confrontation with the Zionist regime … if we abide by the Koran, all of us should mobilize to kill.”

 

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei: “It is the mission of the Islamic Republic of Iran to erase Israel from the map of the region.”

 

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei: We will not abandon our armed struggle until the annihilation of Israel and until we will be able to pray in al-Aqsa mosque."

 

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei: "The Zionist regime will soon be destroyed, and this generation will be witness to its destruction."

 

Hossein Salami, the deputy head of the Revolutionary Guard: "We will chase you Israelis house to house and will take revenge for every drop of blood of our martyrs in Palestine, and this is the beginning point of Islamic nations awakening for your defeat."

 

Khamenei: “This barbaric, wolflike & infanticidal regime of Israel which spares no crime has no cure but to be annihilated.”

 

Hossein Sheikholeslam, the secretary-general of the Committee for Support for the Palestinian Intifada: "The issue of Israel's destruction is important, no matter the method. We will obviously implement the strategy of the Imam Khomeini and the Leader Khamenei on the issue of destroying the Zionists. The region will not be quiet so long as Israel exists in it ..."

 

Abu Abdullah, a senior member of Hizb ut-Tahrir, the Party of Liberation which is funded by the Islamic regime in Tehran said "...we want to free all people from being slaves of men and make them slaves of Allah." Hizb ut-Tahrir promises that..."it will let Muslims challenge, and ultimately conquer, the West..."

 

These are not the words of people whose intentions are protective or peaceful.

 

B5: Anyone who understands the history of the battles fought by the Iranians/Persians understands that appeasement and compromise never worked. There is no separation between the sacred and secular in Islamic society. Every nation subdued by Islamic conquerors were forced to submit, pay a Jizya tax or die. The "peace treaty" (hudna) used by Islamic regimes is a deceptive ploy akin to a cease fire until the Islamic army has time to regroup.

 

B6: It's those who are breathing out murderous threats against innocent people, countries and nations that are responsible for the death and suffering caused by war. Their death and their dead are the consequence of their foolish actions. Taking action to prevent such threats from coming to fruition (even partly) is just.

This is the typical bullsh*t we hear from Faux.  Your quotes are nothing but words.  Threats are not action.  Actions kill people not words.

 

The Iranians said a lot of threatening things in 1979 re. the US hostages... but in fact they ended up releasing all of them unharmed.

 

Any careful examination of the facts reveals that Israel, Saudi Arabia and the US have killed far more people in the Middle East with their actions than Iran and its proxies.

 

The Israelis regularly attack Gaza and kill thousands of people, most civilians.  They have invaded Lebanon three times and killed thousands more.  They bomb Lebanon all the time.  The Saudis are currently bombing Yemen and have killed thousands... they are also blockading the country and deliberately causing famine which is killing many more.  And the US invaded Iraq and caused hundreds of thousands of casualties.... including close to 5000 US soldiers killed and another 50,000 wounded... not to mention all the PTSD cases clogging up mental hospitals in the US.

 

As I said, Iran is not exactly a democracy and its leaders are not to be admired.  But sometimes it is better to leave things alone and let the people of the offending country deal with their own problem instead of sticking your nose in.  The US invaded Iraq and the result was catastrophic... one of the byproducts was ISIS.  The government in Iran will be kicked out... just need to have some patience.

 

 

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49 minutes ago, ItsAllOursBoys said:

Perhaps you had a little trouble with reading, comprehension and logic as well? With all due respect, I'd suggest you go back and carefully reread my post, resisting the urge to respond until you understand the points I'm making and until you brush up on your understanding of modern warfare tactics employed by Islamic Republic of Iran and other Radical Jihadists. 

 

When was the last time the US or Israel blew up/attacked an Iranian place of worship? or an Iranian embassy? Iranian shopping mall? Iranian community center?

 

The kindergarten map you presented (and subsequent argument about the US presence) is really part of a larger straw-man argument based in ignorance and intellectual dishonesty. What you conveniently fail to mention is that most of those locations exist at the request and/or permission of the individual sovereign states. They exist mainly to deter Iranian/Radical Jihadi aggression.

 

 

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You are just showing how ignorant you are by suggesting a link between Sunnis and Shias.

 

All the Islamic terrorists groups you show in the map of US who have actually done anything are SUNNI muslim... Iran is Shia.  Sunnis hate Shias... in Afghanistan the Sunni Taliban/ISIS regularly massacre Shias.

 

Conflating Sunni Terrorists with Shias is just stupid... they have zero connection.  There have been no overt terrorist acts in the US linked to Shias.

 

Sunni Muslims originate from Saudi Arabia, not Iran. 

 

Sunnis are Al Quaeda/ISIS/Taliban/etc... the ones who attack the US in 911 and all over Europe.  That fundamentalist Sunni group originates in Saudi Arabia.

 

Shias are Hezbollah/Iran.  They are fighting Al Quaeda/ISIS/Taliban.  They are also fighting Israel... for good reason, Israel regularly invades/bombs Lebanon where Hezbollah is based and where Shias are the largest ethnic group.  Iran supports Syrian government because of the Alawite Shia population there who were being massacred by ISIS Syrians.  Yeah, the Syrian government is a nasty bunch, but so are the Rebels which are mostly either ISIS or Al Quaeda.

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US President Trump says there will be major retaliation against Iran if they "do anything"

Mon 6 Jan 2020 00:24:16 GMT

 

US President Trump speaking on the conflict with Iran 

  • he is willing to go after Iranian cultural sites since Iran has killed Americans
  • he will consider releasing intelligence related to the killing of Iranian official
  • there will be a "major retaliation" against Iran if Iran retaliates
 

Also:

  • He does not think North Korea's Kim Jong Un will break his word
  • but maybe he will 

https://www.forexlive.com/news/!/us-president-trump-says-there-will-be-major-retaliation-against-iran-if-they-do-anything-20200106

 

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Trump administration tried to stop Iraqi parliament's vote on expelling US troops: report

 

The Trump administration tried to stop an Iraqi vote to expel the U.S. military from the country after an American airstrike killed top Iranian military commander Gen. Qassem Soleimani, Axios reported Sunday. 

 

Two U.S. officials and an Iraqi government official familiar with the situation told Axios that the Trump administration tried to persuade top Iraqi officials to kill the parliamentary effort.

 

Iraq's parliament reportedly voted Sunday to approve of the expulsion of the U.S. military following last week’s attack that killed Soleimani. 

A U.S. official familiar with the effort told Axios that expelling the U.S. military from Iraq "would be inconvenient for us, but it would be catastrophic for Iraq."

 

"It's our concern that Iraq would take a short-term decision that would have catastrophic long-term implications for the country and its security," the official told Axios.

 

"But it's also what would happen to them financially if they allowed Iran to take advantage of their economy to such an extent that they would fall under the sanctions that are on Iran," the official added. "We don't want to see that. We're trying very hard to work to have that not happen."

 

A senior Iraqi official told Axios that many Kurdish and Sunni members of parliament, who tend to be more supportive of the U.S. presence in Iraq, did not attend the vote to expel the U.S. presence. 

 

"This is a temporary victory for the parties which are pro-Iranian," the official told Axios. "But it's also a clear message from the Sunnis and from the Kurds [who didn't vote] and from some Iraqi Shia for the Americans to tell them we want you to stay in Iraq."

 

A spokesperson for the White House was not immediately available for comment.

 

https://thehill.com/policy/international/middle-east-north-africa/476864-trump-administration-tried-to-stop-iraqi

 

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No link for the following comments but audio reports are that Trump has said if US troops leave Iraq, that Iraq must pay the United States (no specific $ amount mentioned). Has also threatened Iraq with sanctions. It's is not clear for what exactly. Trump says US troops will not leave Iraq without payment.

 

 

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4 hours ago, Ryan Strome said:

War is ugly.

Yeah, I guess that's what it was. Act of war.

 

My father-in-law is Iranian. Lot's of family back there. Wife is pretty nervous right now.

 

F' these politicians, F' the stupid USA and F' anyone who blindly follows that orange dirt bag. 

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11 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

Yeah, I guess that's what it was. Act of war.

 

My father-in-law is Iranian. Lot's of family back there. Wife is pretty nervous right now.

 

F' these politicians, F' the stupid USA and F' anyone who blindly follows that orange dirt bag. 

War with Iran has been inevitable since 1979.

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3 hours ago, nuckin_futz said:

I don't think this is actually from the Iranian government but does go to show the level of rhetoric going around. Doubtful Trump will simply laugh this one off.

 

Weekend bounty hunter news - Iran offers $80m for the head of US President Trump

Sun 5 Jan 2020 22:58:51 GMT

 

Iran put a bit of thought into the official announcement, offering a dollar from every member of Iran's 80 million population

  • "And we would give this $80million, on our own behalf, as a gift to anyone who brings the head of the person who ordered the murder of the grand figure of our revolution.
  • Anyone who brings us the head of this yellow-haired lunatic, we would give him $80million on behalf of the great Iranian nation. Chant if you agree."
That from a voice over on the video of the protest march in Tehran on Sunday.
 

Wow....that's a million bucks per brain cell......:blink:

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1 hour ago, Ryan Strome said:

War with Iran has been inevitable since 1979.

Disagree....it's more like since 2016, when a certain orange clown decided that a nuclear deal between the US and Iran was the "worst deal ever negotiated".

 

If there was an adult in the Oval Office, war with Iran would not be "inevitable" at all....

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Screw Iran. That country is so backwards. Women have no power and if you speak out againts the regime you tend to go missing or end up in jail. A lot of Iranian's that I know in Canada seem to be happy with the strike on this guy.. 

 

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